GDT: Hawks @ Ducks, 03 Nov 2024, 7 PM CST

[Kevin Musto]

You're not happy he's apparently doing very well in Rockford?

That's fine, but he could be doing that in the NHL right now.

 

[Kevin Musto]

You’re probably miserable that Reichel is playing well

He's driving awful metrics in the world's most sheltered role

The scoresheet is empty calories

 

[Taze em]

He's driving awful metrics in the world's most sheltered role

The scoresheet is empty calories

Curious, what awful metrics are you seeing?

 

[x Tame Impala]

That's fine, but he could be doing that in the NHL right now.

He should've had a better camp then! I think it's good they sent him down and I think it's great he's doing well in Rockford. He's proving to the org that he's got the ability to take their critiques in order to get better and be an NHL player. I'm sure he'll be up soon if he keeps playing like this, even if it's by the trade deadline or next season.

 

[Pez68]

I can't believe people still entertain Musto's nonsense.

 

[Kevin Musto]

Curious, what awful metrics are you seeing?

More offensive deployment than anyone else on the team.

Faces the weakest competition out of anyone else on the team.

And yet relative to the bums he faces, he generates very little scoring chances, and bleeds scoring chances against.

Don't let the lucky 6 points fool you, he's a detriment.

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

I'm sorry but after the comments I hear about Hawks from you it makes me question everything you post.

Coming from guy who routinely shits on Kane and downplays his impact, etc LOL

 

[Taze em]

More offensive deployment than anyone else on the team.

Faces the weakest competition out of anyone else on the team.

And yet relative to the bums he faces, he generates very little scoring chances, and bleeds scoring chances against.

Don't let the lucky 6 points fool you, he's a detriment.

That graph says nothing about how he’s played. That graph tells you where a faceoff is and who is in the ice for the other team.

 

[MHO]

More offensive deployment than anyone else on the team.

Faces the weakest competition out of anyone else on the team.

And yet relative to the bums he faces, he generates very little scoring chances, and bleeds scoring chances against.

Don't let the lucky 6 points fool you, he's a detriment.

This chart only shows things that are outside of his control. If you're going to use metrics to say he's been sheltered, fine, but then you have to use metrics to say he's not performing. 'He generates very little scoring chances, and bleeds scoring chances against' isn't metrics.

 

[Wally1112pac]

Good to see Reichel having a nice bounce back season after his sophomore slump.

 

[OhCaptainMyCaptain]

It’s funny that’s the game Bedard puts up 3 points. That’s hockey, I guess.

 

[hawksfan50]

But even if Reichel and 4th line get sheltered minutes and less minutes,he is pkaying with 4th liners not first or 2nd liners...and probably playing with sheltered minutes 3rd pairing dmen ...so maybe who heis on with contributes to your corsi 'bum" analysis for Reichel...

Also the Musto chart shows Bedard is facing only a bit above average quality of competition ...so disappointing he is not producing more.. especialky goals.

Bedard pkays much more than Reichel...6 poibts byReichel for his monutrsvpjayed with 4th liners is contrary to the Musto "bum" analysis , imoresdive production in more limted minutes played.

But they have given Reichel now featured PP1 duty together with Bedard...Nd that extra speed helps tge puck movement..so expect more dividends from rhat use of Reichel.

Sure hebus no Kucherov...but hey neitgervis Bedard that level of effective weapon.

 

[DisgruntledHawkFan]

More offensive deployment than anyone else on the team.

Faces the weakest competition out of anyone else on the team.

And yet relative to the bums he faces, he generates very little scoring chances, and bleeds scoring chances against.

Don't let the lucky 6 points fool you, he's a detriment.

He should be facing the weakest opposition he's been stapled to the fourth line.

 

[GIADF]

Vlasic quietly on pace for 44 assists despite very little PP time.

 

[WarriorofTime]

A lot of encouraging signs the last couple of games.

Now it'd be great to get Kurashev back on track.

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

Thought Jones was good

Gets too much hate/flak around here IMO because of contract

 

[Hawkaholic]

Thought Jones was good

Gets too much hate/flak around here IMO because of contract

and because he is so inconsistent and people talk about him as if he's a #1D man, when he isn't.

 

[statswatcher]

But even if Reichel and 4th line get sheltered minutes and less minutes,he is pkaying with 4th liners not first or 2nd liners...and probably playing with sheltered minutes 3rd pairing dmen ...so maybe who heis on with contributes to your corsi 'bum" analysis for Reichel...

Also the Musto chart shows Bedard is facing only a bit above average quality of competition ...so disappointing he is not producing more.. especialky goals.

Bedard pkays much more than Reichel...6 poibts byReichel for his monutrsvpjayed with 4th liners is contrary to the Musto "bum" analysis , imoresdive production in more limted minutes played.

But they have given Reichel now featured PP1 duty together with Bedard...Nd that extra speed helps tge puck movement..so expect more dividends from rhat use of Reichel.

Sure hebus no Kucherov...but hey neitgervis Bedard that level of effective weapon.

is musto the only person here capable of losing an argument with fiddy?

 

[Kevin Musto]

This chart only shows things that are outside of his control. If you're going to use metrics to say he's been sheltered, fine, but then you have to use metrics to say he's not performing. 'He generates very little scoring chances, and bleeds scoring chances against' isn't metrics.

That's literally quantified by corsi

 

[bwanajamba]

Musto is right that Reichel's metrics aren't good, but if his points are so empty calorie then why is he literally scoring goals with his big fat ass?

 

[elvisisalive]

Re :Reichel, I wanted Mercer instead as bad as anyone, but its very easy to see how much better hes ben playing lately. He and Smith seem to have a real connection, his passing has gotten much better, and you can see his confidence growing game by game, albeit in a sheltered situation. I still laugh at his skating, as he looks like a 9 year old on rockers trying to keep his balance, and his strength on the puck is weak, but he looks to me like a bona fide NHL player in the making to me. Where he ends up is still going to be up to him.

 

[GIADF]

Re :Reichel, I wanted Mercer instead as bad as anyone, but its very easy to see how much better hes ben playing lately. He and Smith seem to have a real connection, his passing has gotten much better, and you can see his confidence growing game by game, albeit in a sheltered situation. I still laugh at his skating, as he looks like a 9 year old on rockers trying to keep his balance, and his strength on the puck is weak, but he looks to me like a bona fide NHL player in the making to me. Where he ends up is still going to be up to him.

I think Reichel and Smith work well together because of their comparable speed and willingness to play a north south game together.

 

[MHO]

That's literally quantified by corsi

I'll admit I'm not familiar with Corsi ratings, how they work, and what they show. All I saw was a chart that didn't indicate anything about actual performance

 

[TLEH]

Thought Jones was good

Gets too much hate/flak around here IMO because of contract

He's just really toolsy and plays a brain dead style. Its all talent. Really frustrating to watch when its bad.

 

[Kevin Musto]

I'll admit I'm not familiar with Corsi ratings, how they work, and what they show. All I saw was a chart that didn't indicate anything about actual performance

It does indicate performance.

The Y-axis is Quality of Competition relative to Corsi For%.

QoC is self explanatory. If a player is low on the Y-axis, they're sheltered. If they're high on the Y-axis, they're being deployed against the opponent's top lines.

Corsi For% is the difference between Corsi For (shot attempts for at even strength) and Corsi Against (shot attempts against at even strength). This takes shots, blocks, and misses into account.

Reichel's CF% is 42.86. Anything below 50 is negative.

42.86 is the second lowest of any forward on the team. The lowest being AA (who belongs on waivers) at 37.50. However Reichel plays against worse competition than AA, and gets way more favorable offensive deployment. So in reality, he's just as bad as AA.

But you guys just look at 6 points in 9 games, and think "oh, not bad". Well it's not sustainable with the way he plays. He's been lucky to get on the scoreboard, but he's going to fall off hard. You'll all be confused, but not me.