BusinessGoose
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I think the intrigue is how he's managed to continue coaching
Sometimes truth really is stranger than fiction
Has Mike Sullivan Been Fired Yet?
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Sometimes truth really is stranger than fiction
HandshakeLine
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Not really, corporate dumbassery and the peter prinicple are like the oldest stories in the world. Sully can't even pick an original way to be bad, he's just a swap meet version of Torts.
BusinessGoose
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A real jerk thing
You are a goose with a tie. You're at least vp material, as is. Get some glasses and you could be c-suite in a year or two.
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DesertedPenguin
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Rossi spent some time with people around Sullivan to look at his coaching style ahead of the 4 Nations Tournament. Some thoughts from people like Bill Guerin, Rick Bowness and Dave King (who both coached Sullivan and then against him), and even some players like Kevin Hayes and Tristan Jarry.
Here's Hayes:
“He tells you how it is,” Hayes said of Sullivan. “It’s best when you don’t hear a lot from him because that means you’re playing up to his standard. And when you’re not, he’ll let you know. He doesn’t let things linger. And he’s willing to give you a little leeway if you buy into what he wants.”
Here's Jarry:
“I think he’s a great coach and a great person,” Jarry said. “I think the thing that makes him a great coach is he can do what’s best for the team, but you also know he cares about you as a person.
“There are no mixed messages with him. He says what he thinks. He lets you talk. And you come out of it knowing that he’s doing what he thinks is best for the team, but he also wants you to know you’re still part of it.”
www.nytimes.com
I still think his time has come to an end in Pittsburgh. It'd be best to have a new voice as the Pens turn the page on the Crosby-Malkin era. But I do think this provides some insight as to why people think highly of Sullivan around the NHL and still in the locker room.
Here's Hayes:
“He tells you how it is,” Hayes said of Sullivan. “It’s best when you don’t hear a lot from him because that means you’re playing up to his standard. And when you’re not, he’ll let you know. He doesn’t let things linger. And he’s willing to give you a little leeway if you buy into what he wants.”
Here's Jarry:
“I think he’s a great coach and a great person,” Jarry said. “I think the thing that makes him a great coach is he can do what’s best for the team, but you also know he cares about you as a person.
“There are no mixed messages with him. He says what he thinks. He lets you talk. And you come out of it knowing that he’s doing what he thinks is best for the team, but he also wants you to know you’re still part of it.”
4 Nations Face-Off: Why Team USA coach Mike Sullivan is ‘made for this job’
Bill Guerin's pick to lead USA on the ice was a no-brainer: "Sully is the right guy for this job. And it’s not just because of his resume."
www.nytimes.com
I still think his time has come to an end in Pittsburgh. It'd be best to have a new voice as the Pens turn the page on the Crosby-Malkin era. But I do think this provides some insight as to why people think highly of Sullivan around the NHL and still in the locker room.
HandshakeLine
A real jerk thing
If he tells it why it is, why don't our players understand what the problems are?
Tasty Biscuits
with fancy sauce
Sullivan is honest with everyone but himself.
HandshakeLine
A real jerk thing
Also, asking Tristan "I played myself out of the AHL" Jarry for quotes on coaching genius is pretty amazingly shameless. 
DesertedPenguin
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I think it's actually worthwhile journalism - if you ask someone like Rust, who Sullivan openly praises and who gets a lot of leeway, then of course he's going to be positive. But if you talk to someone who has had a rocky time, you might get a more honest assessment.Also, asking Tristan "I played myself out of the AHL" Jarry for quotes on coaching genius is pretty amazingly shameless.
As for understanding the problems, I think the players do understand the issues. I just don't think they're capable of fixing them.
Sidney the Kidney
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That article didn't say a single thing about what actually makes him a good coach.Rossi spent some time with people around Sullivan to look at his coaching style ahead of the 4 Nations Tournament. Some thoughts from people like Bill Guerin, Rick Bowness and Dave King (who both coached Sullivan and then against him), and even some players like Kevin Hayes and Tristan Jarry.
Here's Hayes:
“He tells you how it is,” Hayes said of Sullivan. “It’s best when you don’t hear a lot from him because that means you’re playing up to his standard. And when you’re not, he’ll let you know. He doesn’t let things linger. And he’s willing to give you a little leeway if you buy into what he wants.”
Here's Jarry:
“I think he’s a great coach and a great person,” Jarry said. “I think the thing that makes him a great coach is he can do what’s best for the team, but you also know he cares about you as a person.
“There are no mixed messages with him. He says what he thinks. He lets you talk. And you come out of it knowing that he’s doing what he thinks is best for the team, but he also wants you to know you’re still part of it.”
4 Nations Face-Off: Why Team USA coach Mike Sullivan is ‘made for this job’
Bill Guerin's pick to lead USA on the ice was a no-brainer: "Sully is the right guy for this job. And it’s not just because of his resume."
I still think his time has come to an end in Pittsburgh. It'd be best to have a new voice as the Pens turn the page on the Crosby-Malkin era. But I do think this provides some insight as to why people think highly of Sullivan around the NHL and still in the locker room.
"He's great because he tells you like it is". That's it? That's the best they could get?
I can tell Jarry that he sucks and Hayes is washed up. I guess this makes me a great NHL coach now.
Gurglesons
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Yeah got halfway through the article and realized it was the typical fluff our media puts out regarding this jack ass.
Khelandros
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Asking any player about their coach will always yield glowing praise.Also, asking Tristan "I played myself out of the AHL" Jarry for quotes on coaching genius is pretty amazingly shameless.
HandshakeLine
A real jerk thing
Especially the one who has a say in whether or not you will be stuck in the minors forever.
It's because he doesn't actually coach.
It's so insanely transparent.
Dennis Reynolds
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Wait, what? He's not even going to be playing in WBS anymore?Also, asking Tristan "I played myself out of the AHL" Jarry for quotes on coaching genius is pretty amazingly shameless.
HandshakeLine
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Icarium
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Do you expects employees to say "Honestly, my boss doesn't have a clue what he is doing"? Those interviews are even more pointless than post-game interviews and those are already almost always a waste of time for everyone involved.
And even the players are being honest, so what? Even if Sullivan is amazing person and everyone in the team loves him, they are supposedly in the business of winning hockey games, not feeling good about themselves for the sake of feeling good about themselves. If anything, keeping a stale coach around lest you hurt someone's feelings is even dumber than keeping him around because you have deluded yourself that he can still be a good coach for this particular team.
BusinessGoose
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"He tells you how it is,” Hayes said of Sullivan. “It’s best when you don’t hear a lot from him because that means you’re playing up to his standard. And when you’re not, he’ll let you know. He doesn’t let things linger. And he’s willing to give you a little leeway if you buy into what he wants.”
Although sullivan not talking to you is presented as praise by him and for him, i actually think this is a terrible trait for a coach
It's going to ultimately make people have less confidence in themselves second guessing, i feel. Cause then you're doing something and waiting for him to tell you you're wrong, and if you're not being coached for being wrong, then you really don't know what the exact something is that you're doing right, either. So you just keep throwing shit against the wall in your own personal gameplay until told to stop????
You need positive feedback too...
And that last sentence... Lol.. Really means: If you're in the circle of trust you can f*** around all you want
Although sullivan not talking to you is presented as praise by him and for him, i actually think this is a terrible trait for a coach
It's going to ultimately make people have less confidence in themselves second guessing, i feel. Cause then you're doing something and waiting for him to tell you you're wrong, and if you're not being coached for being wrong, then you really don't know what the exact something is that you're doing right, either. So you just keep throwing shit against the wall in your own personal gameplay until told to stop????
You need positive feedback too...
And that last sentence... Lol.. Really means: If you're in the circle of trust you can f*** around all you want
HandshakeLine
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Buddy Bizarre
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i think we want a new voice, but it's just hard to know what is really going on.
We've seen our star players be coach killers and ignore whomever is talking and just do their own thing. But the reality is our team is really really old. old players are inconsistent at times. we have a problem with team speed on this team. Are there any old and slow teams in today's NHL that are strong playoff teams? Edmonton is older (only team) but the difference is its because they have older complimentary players that are not counted on to do much and their team speed is way higher then ours. Penguins, our old players are also our best players, that is a HUGE problem if you want to be a playoff team especially when they are all pushing 40 which is ancient in the NHL, huge props that they contribute what they do. You could put herb brooks over this roster and it's not gonna do jack
We've seen our star players be coach killers and ignore whomever is talking and just do their own thing. But the reality is our team is really really old. old players are inconsistent at times. we have a problem with team speed on this team. Are there any old and slow teams in today's NHL that are strong playoff teams? Edmonton is older (only team) but the difference is its because they have older complimentary players that are not counted on to do much and their team speed is way higher then ours. Penguins, our old players are also our best players, that is a HUGE problem if you want to be a playoff team especially when they are all pushing 40 which is ancient in the NHL, huge props that they contribute what they do. You could put herb brooks over this roster and it's not gonna do jack
BusinessGoose
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He WAS good. He was the voice we needed. He was the one getting the players on the same page. The pregame, intermission, and postgame videos from the locker room were great.
That sullivan got lost in the forest about 2019.
The Sullivan we have now, is not 2016 Sullivan.
... The team being old or GMs failing him, is also a lame excuse.
If the roster was being built so poorly, and he had a hand on it, then it's on him. If it was built so poorly that he couldn't make it work and said nothing about that, it's also on him. There's no way GMs are sending multiple firsts out grabbing random players without a meeting.
The players play. The coach puts them in position to win. The GM gives the players the coach needs.
Sullivan has seen three GMs, each team has gotten steadily worse. He's the common denominator. If he was a magician, he could have made any team work. Yet here we.
As a fan, this is a zero sum business. No fan really cares about developing talent seven years out. And they don't care about seven years ago. We care about now and what have you done recently.
If you're more evolved than that cool, you're awesome.
BlindWillyMcHurt
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Mike Sullivan has an absolutely dogshit record as a coach (and Boston assistant) beyond two glorious seasons. That's a fact.
Obviously we're all thankful for those two seasons. But at this point if you still think dude is some kind of genius team-building architect of success then I don't really know what to tell you beyond "go tend to your living room shrine."
Crazy thought... perhaps aggressive roster building by the GM combined with some truly generational players were farrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr more responsible than some doofus who fiddles around with his glasses all game.
Obviously we're all thankful for those two seasons. But at this point if you still think dude is some kind of genius team-building architect of success then I don't really know what to tell you beyond "go tend to your living room shrine."
Crazy thought... perhaps aggressive roster building by the GM combined with some truly generational players were farrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr more responsible than some doofus who fiddles around with his glasses all game.
