Has Mike Sullivan Been Fired Yet?

[BusinessGoose]

Nothing intrigues me about how Sully coaches.

I think the intrigue is how he's managed to continue coaching

Sometimes truth really is stranger than fiction

 

[HandshakeLine]

I think the intrigue is how he's managed to continue coaching

Sometimes truth really is stranger than fiction

Not really, corporate dumbassery and the peter prinicple are like the oldest stories in the world. Sully can't even pick an original way to be bad, he's just a swap meet version of Torts.

 

[BusinessGoose]

I need to get me into the corpo world....

 

[HandshakeLine]

I need to get me into the corpo world....

You are a goose with a tie. You're at least vp material, as is. Get some glasses and you could be c-suite in a year or two.

 

[Duffy13]

This f***ing guy cannot be in charge with developing 3, 1st round picks over the next 2 drafts. FFS this is agonizing.

 

[DesertedPenguin]

Rossi spent some time with people around Sullivan to look at his coaching style ahead of the 4 Nations Tournament. Some thoughts from people like Bill Guerin, Rick Bowness and Dave King (who both coached Sullivan and then against him), and even some players like Kevin Hayes and Tristan Jarry.

Here's Hayes:
“He tells you how it is,” Hayes said of Sullivan. “It’s best when you don’t hear a lot from him because that means you’re playing up to his standard. And when you’re not, he’ll let you know. He doesn’t let things linger. And he’s willing to give you a little leeway if you buy into what he wants.”

Here's Jarry:
“I think he’s a great coach and a great person,” Jarry said. “I think the thing that makes him a great coach is he can do what’s best for the team, but you also know he cares about you as a person.

“There are no mixed messages with him. He says what he thinks. He lets you talk. And you come out of it knowing that he’s doing what he thinks is best for the team, but he also wants you to know you’re still part of it.”

4 Nations Face-Off: Why Team USA coach Mike Sullivan is ‘made for this job’

Bill Guerin's pick to lead USA on the ice was a no-brainer: "Sully is the right guy for this job. And it’s not just because of his resume."

www.nytimes.com

I still think his time has come to an end in Pittsburgh. It'd be best to have a new voice as the Pens turn the page on the Crosby-Malkin era. But I do think this provides some insight as to why people think highly of Sullivan around the NHL and still in the locker room.

 

[HandshakeLine]

If he tells it why it is, why don't our players understand what the problems are?

 

[Tasty Biscuits]

Sullivan is honest with everyone but himself.

 

[HandshakeLine]

Also, asking Tristan "I played myself out of the AHL" Jarry for quotes on coaching genius is pretty amazingly shameless.

 

[DesertedPenguin]

Also, asking Tristan "I played myself out of the AHL" Jarry for quotes on coaching genius is pretty amazingly shameless.

I think it's actually worthwhile journalism - if you ask someone like Rust, who Sullivan openly praises and who gets a lot of leeway, then of course he's going to be positive. But if you talk to someone who has had a rocky time, you might get a more honest assessment.

As for understanding the problems, I think the players do understand the issues. I just don't think they're capable of fixing them.

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

Rossi spent some time with people around Sullivan to look at his coaching style ahead of the 4 Nations Tournament. Some thoughts from people like Bill Guerin, Rick Bowness and Dave King (who both coached Sullivan and then against him), and even some players like Kevin Hayes and Tristan Jarry.

Here's Hayes:
“He tells you how it is,” Hayes said of Sullivan. “It’s best when you don’t hear a lot from him because that means you’re playing up to his standard. And when you’re not, he’ll let you know. He doesn’t let things linger. And he’s willing to give you a little leeway if you buy into what he wants.”

Here's Jarry:
“I think he’s a great coach and a great person,” Jarry said. “I think the thing that makes him a great coach is he can do what’s best for the team, but you also know he cares about you as a person.

“There are no mixed messages with him. He says what he thinks. He lets you talk. And you come out of it knowing that he’s doing what he thinks is best for the team, but he also wants you to know you’re still part of it.”

4 Nations Face-Off: Why Team USA coach Mike Sullivan is ‘made for this job’

Bill Guerin's pick to lead USA on the ice was a no-brainer: "Sully is the right guy for this job. And it’s not just because of his resume."

www.nytimes.com

I still think his time has come to an end in Pittsburgh. It'd be best to have a new voice as the Pens turn the page on the Crosby-Malkin era. But I do think this provides some insight as to why people think highly of Sullivan around the NHL and still in the locker room.

That article didn't say a single thing about what actually makes him a good coach.

"He's great because he tells you like it is". That's it? That's the best they could get?

I can tell Jarry that he sucks and Hayes is washed up. I guess this makes me a great NHL coach now.

 

[Gurglesons]

That article didn't say a single thing about what actually makes him a good coach.

"He's great because he tells you like it is". That's it? That's the best they could get?

I can tell Jarry that he sucks and Hayes is washed up. I guess this makes me a great NHL coach now.

Yeah got halfway through the article and realized it was the typical fluff our media puts out regarding this jack ass.

 

[Khelandros]

Also, asking Tristan "I played myself out of the AHL" Jarry for quotes on coaching genius is pretty amazingly shameless.

Asking any player about their coach will always yield glowing praise.

 

[HandshakeLine]

Asking any player about their coach will always yield glowing praise.

Especially the one who has a say in whether or not you will be stuck in the minors forever.

That article didn't say a single thing about what actually makes him a good coach.

"He's great because he tells you like it is". That's it? That's the best they could get?

I can tell Jarry that he sucks and Hayes is washed up. I guess this makes me a great NHL coach now.

It's because he doesn't actually coach. It's so insanely transparent.

 

[Dennis Reynolds]

Also, asking Tristan "I played myself out of the AHL" Jarry for quotes on coaching genius is pretty amazingly shameless.

Wait, what? He's not even going to be playing in WBS anymore?

 

[HandshakeLine]

Wait, what? He's not even going to be playing in WBS anymore?

I feel like if they could get away with not playing him, they would.

 

[Icarium]

I still think his time has come to an end in Pittsburgh. It'd be best to have a new voice as the Pens turn the page on the Crosby-Malkin era. But I do think this provides some insight as to why people think highly of Sullivan around the NHL and still in the locker room.

Do you expects employees to say "Honestly, my boss doesn't have a clue what he is doing"? Those interviews are even more pointless than post-game interviews and those are already almost always a waste of time for everyone involved.

And even the players are being honest, so what? Even if Sullivan is amazing person and everyone in the team loves him, they are supposedly in the business of winning hockey games, not feeling good about themselves for the sake of feeling good about themselves. If anything, keeping a stale coach around lest you hurt someone's feelings is even dumber than keeping him around because you have deluded yourself that he can still be a good coach for this particular team.

 

[BusinessGoose]

"He tells you how it is,” Hayes said of Sullivan. “It’s best when you don’t hear a lot from him because that means you’re playing up to his standard. And when you’re not, he’ll let you know. He doesn’t let things linger. And he’s willing to give you a little leeway if you buy into what he wants.”

Although sullivan not talking to you is presented as praise by him and for him, i actually think this is a terrible trait for a coach

It's going to ultimately make people have less confidence in themselves second guessing, i feel. Cause then you're doing something and waiting for him to tell you you're wrong, and if you're not being coached for being wrong, then you really don't know what the exact something is that you're doing right, either. So you just keep throwing shit against the wall in your own personal gameplay until told to stop????

You need positive feedback too...

And that last sentence... Lol.. Really means: If you're in the circle of trust you can f*** around all you want

 

[HandshakeLine]

lol Sullivan is so bitchmade.