Has Dubas failed at his job?

[BigBadBruins7708]

There's no doubt mistakes we made. I just think blaming the prices on the Tavares deal is such a prevalent thing people talk about but isn't really supported in any way. And I'd personally say it's a weaker position than saying league comparables are what actually matter

Tavares set the tone that you push for top dollar as a Leaf.

Same way guys like Bergeron set the tone that you leave some money on the table in Boston for the better of the team.

It's why $30m a year in Boston pays for Bergeron, Pastrnak, Marchand, Hall and McAvoy.

 

[Morgs]

Can you explain in detail how he is constantly making better in detail please.

No expected, no per 60, no tried to, no really wanted to, no surprised they didn't - fairy pixie dust shit. Just actual results.

Cheers

"Explain how he made the team better, but don't use evidence. Anything but evidence"

Cheers

 

[hotpaws]

Where did I even say it was a good off-season? I'm just sick of people complaining it's his fault we can't make it past the first round when the teams results improve each season and people (not me) legitimately thought his TDL was exactly what we needed to get over the hump.

It's just because people like you don't agree with his methodology you hate him. So boring at this point

the teams results haven't improved every season , they were regressing until we ended up in a weak division due to the pandemic

and i'm sick of his supporters constantly inventing excuses to shift the blame to anyone and everyone else for this teams lack of progress

It's Dubie's job to elevate this team to a cup winner and all he's done since he capped us out is throw shit at the wall and hope something sticks while burning through futures .

 

[ACC1224]

Honestly torn on this one. Could go either way I think. It’s interesting how polarizing this guy is, not sure how anybody could go to such extremes on either side of the love/hate spectrum but you see it daily. I will say though that starting last season he changed his methodology and started looking for more grit and veteran presence. People who used to mock the idea of grit and veteran presence being necessary seem to now claim that Dubas has always been constant in that regard; I think that’s bullshit. Nick Ritchie? Wayne Simmonds? Joe Thornton? Many analytical leafs fads would have laughed in your face if you suggested the team should get these players a few years ago.

I believe their new company line is 'it wasn't the right time for those players but now is the perfect time'.

 

[egd27]

The Tavares signing had 0 impact on the Matthews and Marner negotiations. They are not comparables. One is a 27 year old UFA and the others are 21 year old RFA’s.

If you are correct, then there is absolutely no reason for them to be in the same income bracket. So who made that mistake ?

 

[The Iceman]

But don’t you think based on the assets he inherited, he should have been able to win a playoff series by now?

Dubas doesn't wear skates. He can't win a playoff series.
He is responsible for what gets put on the ice but when they are overwhelming favs to win a series he has done all he can.
It is beating a dead horse but
Matthews usually scores on more than 1 out of 35 shots
We should win 1 of 2 OT games
JT going out in the 1st 5 minutes is a WOW
Muzzin never finishing a playoff series

Not sure it is the GMs fault.

 

[hotpaws]

"Explain how he made the team better, but don't use evidence. Anything but evidence"

Cheers

evidence is actual results , you know things like how far did the team go in the playoffs , expected this or that doesn't mean a damn thing

 

[Guided by Veseys]

I believe their new company line is 'it wasn't the right time for those players but now is the perfect time'.

That’s so painful it almost shakes my faith in humanity.

 

[Byron Bitz]

If you are correct, then there is absolutely no reason for them to be in the same income bracket. So who made that mistake ?

Dubas, Marner should have been paid 9.5 x 6

 

[Morgs]

the teams results haven't improved every season , they were regressing until we ended up in a weak division due to the pandemic

and i'm sick of his supporters constantly inventing excuses to shift the blame to everyone and everyone else for this teams lack of progress

It's Dubie's job to elevate this team to a cup winner and all he's done since he capped us out is throw shit at the wall and hope something sticks while burning through futures .

Burning through futures lmao. I've been extremely critical of his moves the last ~year, but at least my criticism makes sense.

People like you just don't like him so it doesn't matter. Yes, he overpaid Marner based on the market. Yes he made an awful trade for Foligno. Nothing else he's done I'd even remotely consider "bad" other than not hitting on the Kadri trade, and not getting assets for departing players. If you look at our team there isn't a single bad contract. Look at any competitors team besides like Tampa and you'll find too many.

He's not perfect and for some reason went against his well-known ideals to add players for ??? reasons lately, but he's significantly better than the alternatives. Looking just at the Canadian division I'd die if any of those GMs were at the head. Even guys who are universally praised like Sakic and Yzerman do dumb shit just as often.

 

[All Mod Cons]

Honestly torn on this one. Could go either way I think. It’s interesting how polarizing this guy is, not sure how anybody could go to such extremes on either side of the love/hate spectrum but you see it daily. I will say though that starting last season he changed his methodology and started looking for more grit and veteran presence. People who used to mock the idea of grit and veteran presence being necessary seem to now claim that Dubas has always been constant in that regard; I think that’s bullshit. Nick Ritchie? Wayne Simmonds? Joe Thornton? Many analytical leafs fads would have laughed in your face if you suggested the team should get these players a few years ago.

I would agree with this.

 

[Morgs]

evidence is actual results , you know things like how far did the team go in the playoffs , expected this or that doesn't mean a damn thing

K so Sakic is a failed GM. Yzerman technically hasn't won anything either- took Brisebois to get the team over the hump. Rob Blake making easily the best prospect pool in the league? Failure.

Lmao f***

 

[All Mod Cons]

"Explain how he made the team better, but don't use evidence. Anything but evidence"

Cheers

No. Use evidence. Just don't use bullshit like expected crap. Expected literally counts for nothing.

 

[Morgs]

Dubas, Marner should have been paid 9.5 x 6

I'm sure nobody would complain about Dubas or Marner if he signed for 1M less. Lmao.

 

[Byron Bitz]

Dubas doesn't wear skates. He can't win a playoff series.
He is responsible for what gets put on the ice but when they are overwhelming favs to win a series he has done all he can.
It is beating a dead horse but
Matthews usually scores on more than 1 out of 35 shots
We should win 1 of 2 OT games
JT going out in the 1st 5 minutes is a WOW
Muzzin never finishing a playoff series

Not sure it is the GMs fault.

I still can’t believe MTL won that series, they had a horseshoe up their ass. Leafs win that 9 out of 10 times. That said, the results have not been good enough under Dubas tenure

 

[4thline]

"Explain how he made the team better, but don't use evidence. Anything but evidence"

Cheers

"Tell me how a leader improved a company, but don't use any of that ratio bullshit. No metrics, no KPI's. Just the stock price and your opinions."

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

Burning through futures lmao. I've been extremely critical of his moves the last ~year, but at least my criticism makes sense.

People like you just don't like him so it doesn't matter. Yes, he overpaid Marner based on the market. Yes he made an awful trade for Foligno. Nothing else he's done I'd even remotely consider "bad" other than not hitting on the Kadri trade, and not getting assets for departing players. If you look at our team there isn't a single bad contract. Look at any competitors team besides like Tampa and you'll find too many.

He's not perfect and for some reason went against his well-known ideals to add players for ??? reasons lately, but he's significantly better than the alternatives. Looking just at the Canadian division I'd die if any of those GMs were at the head. Even guys who are universally praised like Sakic and Yzerman do dumb shit just as often.

The hilarious part is Dubas had a year that almost perfectly resembles what his critics would do if they were in charge of the team. Dumb and worthy of criticism? Definitely. But not from people who would love to bring in old vets and grit specialists if they had the same chance

 

[All Mod Cons]

Burning through futures lmao. I've been extremely critical of his moves the last ~year, but at least my criticism makes sense.

People like you just don't like him so it doesn't matter. Yes, he overpaid Marner based on the market. Yes he made an awful trade for Foligno. Nothing else he's done I'd even remotely consider "bad" other than not hitting on the Kadri trade, and not getting assets for departing players. If you look at our team there isn't a single bad contract. Look at any competitors team besides like Tampa and you'll find too many.

He's not perfect and for some reason went against his well-known ideals to add players for ??? reasons lately, but he's significantly better than the alternatives. Looking just at the Canadian division I'd die if any of those GMs were at the head. Even guys who are universally praised like Sakic and Yzerman do dumb shit just as often.

One of the best sentences ever. It's like one of those US commercials from pharmaceutical companies trying to sly in the side effects.

 

[DueDiligence]

Sam Jose offered JT 13 million

It doesn't mean he was worth it. And San Jose is known for giving out bad contracts.

 

[Sypher04]

Tavares set the tone that you push for top dollar as a Leaf.

Same way guys like Bergeron set the tone that you leave some money on the table in Boston for the better of the team.

It's why $30m a year in Boston pays for Bergeron, Pastrnak, Marchand, Hall and McAvoy.

Your cap situation is more a benefit of timing than some overall goodwill movement by your players

 

[hotpaws]

Burning through futures lmao. I've been extremely critical of his moves the last ~year, but at least my criticism makes sense.

People like you just don't like him so it doesn't matter. Yes, he overpaid Marner based on the market. Yes he made an awful trade for Foligno. Nothing else he's done I'd even remotely consider "bad" other than not hitting on the Kadri trade, and not getting assets for departing players. If you look at our team there isn't a single bad contract. Look at any competitors team besides like Tampa and you'll find too many.

He's not perfect and for some reason went against his well-known ideals to add players for ??? reasons lately, but he's significantly better than the alternatives. Looking just at the Canadian division I'd die if any of those GMs were at the head. Even guys who are universally praised like Sakic and Yzerman do dumb shit just as often.

how many draft picks does he have to trade before you stop "lmao" off that he's burning through futures ?

the worst part about about Dubas is how short sighted his moves are , what's his plan for Rielly ? and if Campbell outplays Mazarek how much is he going to demand and then we're stuck with an almost 4m b/u tender

the list of his failures goes on and on but get ignored or downplayed by his faithful until of course he's fired then the majority turn of him like Burke's supporters did to him

as far as you saying we don't have any bad contracts , that's subjective , some may argue overpaying our three 11m dollar players by 5-6m combined is no different than singing a couple of 3m dollar players that are useless since it results in dead cap either way

 

[Morgs]

One of the best sentences ever. It's like one of those US commercials from pharmaceutical companies trying to sly in the side effects.

None of those things are even close to as bad as half the things that were done this off-season by different GM's. Nobody is perfect, but overpaying Marner a million is a lot better than every single defenseman contract given out this off-season besides MAYBE Makar. Like if your worst move is that you paid a star player a little too much, maybe it's time to re-evaluate your criticisms for the guy.

The Foligno trade made no sense, but at least it was an awful draft year. I'm not convinced Kadri is even better than Kerfoot, but I just simply hoped it turned out better. Nobody is getting real assets for departing players and if he traded them a year before people would hate him even more.

 

[hotpaws]

K so Sakic is a failed GM. Yzerman technically hasn't won anything either- took Brisebois to get the team over the hump. Rob Blake making easily the best prospect pool in the league? Failure.

Lmao f***

funny thing is both have still had much more success than his holiness the Dube , lol

buy hey , you enjoy him while you can because one more failure and he'll kicked to the curb , but don't worry they'll be another GM taking his place you can faithfully praise regardless of results

 

[Morgs]

how many draft picks does he have to trade before you stop "lmao" off that he's burning through futures ?

the worst part about about Dubas is how short sighted his moves are , what's his plan for Rielly ? and if Campbell outplays Mazarek how much is he going to demand and then we're stuck with an almost 4m b/u tender

the list of his failures goes on and on but get ignored or downplayed by his faithful until of course he's fired then the majority turn of him like Burke's supporters did to him

as far as you saying we don't have any bad contracts , that's subjective , some may argue overpaying our three 11m dollar players by 5-6m combined is no different than singing a couple of 3m dollar players that are useless since it results in dead cap either way

Yeah, the Muzzin move was clearly short-sighted? You don't even know what he's doing with Rielly and you already assume it is?

Dude we have arguably one of the best prospect pools in the league almost exclusively due to his drafting since 2018 without a pick above 15 and no 1sts in two of those years.

As for those contracts, Tavares is probably the most overpaid, and he's still a 1st line player by every metric. I'd much rather we pay the 4 guys we have slightly too much each than be a team like Vancouver and acquire trash like OEL without having the ability to sign their actually good players lmao.

 

[TMLAM34]

So far I’d say yes. When you look at the overall picture, they’ve been eliminated in the first round multiple times and failed to even make it out of the play-in round last year. They have very minimal cap space year after year and barely have any draft picks in this past draft and next years.