Has Connor Bedard quietly became underrated ?

[Brookbank]

Yep, and nobody was comparing him to McDavid or Crosby.

Bedard was just as good as Mcdavid in junior and arguably better. And that is why he's being compared to Mcd and Crosby

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

I don't know about other people, personally I believe you are a hater because you continue to go significantly out of your way to continue to broadcast some version of "there is no chance Bedard will be generational because his rookie year production was comparatively low." And here you are lecturing me on how you think I sound. Has it ever occurred to you that no one listens to haters?

I "go out of my way" to call out terrible takes whenever I see them. Saying Bedard is on Crosby and McDavid's level is an objectively terrible take, in the same way people were comparing Wright favorably to Matthews because of junior points.

Bedard just finished his rookie year and is 19 years old. As everyone knows, plenty of generational athletes don't dominate every step of the way -- Michael Jordan (at 21) went 3rd overall in the draft, his first couple years were nothing special. Tom Brady went #199 overall. Djokovic took forever to start beating Roger and Rafa, now with Rafa retiring Novak is going to finish with more hardware / weeks at number one than either of those guys, and also a better head to head record against both.

Your argument is dumb. I also think you're a hater, but that's not my primary point here, you're the one who brought that up.

I'm a hater because I think he'll be closer to Kane than McDavid.

Have you ever stopped to wonder if maybe all the homers in this thread are the unreasonable ones?

Bedard was just as good as Mcdavid in junior and arguably better. And that is why he's being compared to Mcd and Crosby

bUt wHaT aBoUt his JuNiOr hOcKeY sTaTs?!?

Means absolutely nothing.

 

[Crow]

Yep, and nobody was comparing him to McDavid or Crosby.

Explain how it makes logical sense to project bedard’s ceiling from his rookie year but it does not make sense to project jack Hughes ceiling from his rookie year.

 

[Brookbank]

bUt wHaT aBoUt his JuNiOr hOcKeY sTaTs?!?

Means absolutely nothing.

McDavid was considered a HOFer before he played an NHL game. Because of his junior career obviously.

 

[PainForShane]

I "go out of my way" to call out terrible takes whenever I see them. Saying Bedard is on Crosby and McDavid's level is an objectively terrible take, in the same way people were comparing Wright favorably to Matthews because of junior points.

I'm a hater because I think he'll be closer to Kane than McDavid.

Have you ever stopped to wonder if maybe all the homers in this thread are the unreasonable ones?


bUt wHaT aBoUt his JuNiOr hOcKeY sTaTs?!?

Means absolutely nothing.

No, you're a hater because you said, and I quote, "it's very clear that he (Bedard) will not be a generational NHL player" and here you are continuing to defend this objectively terrible take.

You're not fooling anyone.

 

[Mrfenn92]

Take a break fellas. Grab a beer, watch some hockey, meet someone special.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

Explain how it makes logical sense to project bedard’s ceiling from his rookie year but it does not make sense to project jack Hughes ceiling from his rookie year.

We've seen countless 18 year old centers struggle to produce and then become elite offensive players. Thornton, Staal, Lecavalier, Draisaitl, Barkov etc. Anyone watching him could see the talent was there he just needed to mature physically (and better puck luck, check his oish% that year).

None of the big 4 generational forwards have had that issue.

Though frankly the points aren't even the biggest indicator for me - he just lacks the necessary elite athletic ability to create time and space for himself in today's NHL. He's a good skater, but certainly not elite. He's well developed for his age, but he's not all that strong on the puck for a guy with his dimensions. Crosby and McDavid both had massive athletic advantages over Bedard that played a huge role in their ability to dominate the league.

No, you're a hater because you said, and I quote, "it's very clear that he (Bedard) will not be a generational NHL player" and here you are continuing to defend this objectively terrible take.

You're not fooling anyone.

Am I a hater if I say it's very clear that Celebrini will not he a generational player? Or is it just hating to say that about Bedard?

McDavid was considered a HOFer before he played an NHL game. Because of his junior career obviously.

False

 

[Crow]

We've seen countless 18 year old centers struggle to produce and then become elite offensive players. Thornton, Staal, Lecavalier, Draisaitl, Barkov etc. Anyone watching him could see the talent was there he just needed to mature physically (and better puck luck, check his oish% that year).

None of the big 4 generational forwards have had that issue.

Though frankly the points aren't even the biggest indicator for me - he just lacks the necessary elite athletic ability to create time and space for himself in today's NHL. He's a good skater, but certainly not elite. He's well developed for his age, but he's not all that strong on the puck for a guy with his dimensions. Crosby and McDavid both had massive athletic advantages over Bedard that played a huge role in their ability to dominate the league.

Any chance maybe Bedard finds some more gears like all of those other players have?

Seems like a very poor argument to assert that a player must dominate the league as a rookie based on a sample size of 4 players (all while omitting one that didn’t) to be generational.

Not sure why you have spent so much time making countless posts about his rookie PPG, goals per game, point standing in the league, etc if it’s not about that and it is about his athletic ability now. Seems like moving the goalposts. The best player ever wasn’t exactly known for his athleticism. Let me guess now he is too old to count too like Howe?

I jest a bit but I find your argument to write him off very unconvincing.

 

[Brookbank]

Some people sure have selective memories.

It is arguable that the hype around Bedard leading up to the draft surpassed the McDavid hype. Did McDavids junior appearances sell out NHL arenas ? I don't remember. Maybe they did. But I do know that Bedard's games did.

But hey, not generational. He's not from Calgary. He's not playing for a Calgary jr team. But he sold out the Saddledome.



Estimated $1.5M brought into the WHL from Connor Bedard: CKM Sports Management | Globalnews.ca

 

[MuckOG]

I jest a bit but I find your argument to write him off very unconvincing.

Who's writing him off?

 

[Crow]

Who's writing him off?

Anyone saying he doesn’t have a chance to be as good as Crosby

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

Any chance maybe Bedard finds some more gears like all of those other players have?

Not in my opinion no. He's definitely going to improve, I could see him hitting 120 points multiple times in his career if scoring levels remain elevated.

Seems like a very poor argument to assert that a player must dominate the league as a rookie based on a sample size of 4 players (all while omitting one that didn’t) to be generational.

Okay, you're not arguing with me though, your beef is with historical precedent.

Not sure why you have spent so much time making countless posts about his rookie PPG, goals per game, point standing in the league, etc if it’s not about that and it is about his athletic ability now. Seems like moving the goalposts.

I'm not moving goalposts, I have been consistent on this going all the way back to his junior career. The stats very clearly support my point, but even if they didn't, I'd still argue his lack of distinguishing athletic ability would hold him back from reaching 87 / 97 levels.

The best player ever wasn’t exactly known for his athleticism.

The game was so much slower back then, you didn't really need to be an elite athlete.

Let me guess now he is too old to count too like Howe?

I mean yah, the game is completely different

I jest a bit but I find your argument to write him off very unconvincing.

That's okay, it's just weird that you've seen me say he'll probably be better than Patrick Kane and interpret that as me trying to "write him off".

The Patrick Kane disrespect is ironic.

 

[MuckOG]

Anyone saying he doesn’t have a chance to be as good as Crosby

How dare someone run with the assumption that Bedard might not be a top 5 all time player!

 

[Crow]

How dare someone run with the assumption that Bedard might not be a top 5 all time player!

I mean it's so disrespectful to think it's more likely he's a top 15-20 player all time than top 5.

Well I don’t agree that Crosby is top 5. Not sure where I have him but let’s say top 10.

Anyway, there is a difference between saying

-He might not be an (arguably) top 10 player all time

-He definitely won’t be a top 10 player all time

In fact I agree with the first one, and I even go further and say he probably won’t be.

So please don’t twist what I’ve said.