Has Cale Makar already surpassed a prime Erik Karlsson in just his first 4 years?

[SeanMoneyHands]

I think he has. Kid is unreal. And if he gets a cup this year, I think it's no question that Makar has exceeded a prime Karlsson in much less time. Makar has already had more playoff success in his first 4 years than Karlsson has had over his entire playoff career. Mind you, surprisingly Karlsson has only played in the post season 6 times in his 13 year career. But also Karlsson has played on some stacked Ottawa rosters too.

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[Chiarelli]

Yes

 

[I Hate Blake Coleman]

Makar can play defense so yes.

 

[tabness]

Karlsson? best D since Orr

 

[GirardSpinorama]

Yes, 100%

 

[Hale The Villain]

Makar is Karlsson if Matt Cooke didn't ruin his achilles.

 

[fasterthanlight]

We had a thornton sucks thread, we had a hertl sucks thread, now a karlsson sucks thread.

Cale is pretty darn good, top 5 asset in the league probably.

 

[PlayersLtd]

He has surpassed Karlsson. Now on to debating him vs Lidstrom.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

He has surpassed Karlsson. Now on to debating him vs Lidstrom.

No he hasn't....

People seem to ignore the teams these guys play on. Karlsson was on trash. And he dominated at a level Makar has not reached... yet.

Last week the same guys on HNIC said he wasn't as good as Karlsson, now they're saying Bobby Orr...

Makar is a special player with ridiculous potential. Let's wait and see before declaring him the next Lidstrom or Harvey or... Orr.

 

[EXTRAS]

22 points in 14 games as a dman this playoffs
Oof
Everyone talking about mackinnon but mackinnon own dman is outscoring him

 

[OrrNumber4]

Karlsson led the league in assists and twice finished top-10 in scoring. What Makar is doing in this playoffs is unbelievably impressive, but he doesn't have those individual accomplishments yet.

 

[Romang67]

No he hasn't....

People seem to ignore the teams these guys play on. Karlsson was on trash. And he dominated at a level Makar has not reached... yet.

Last week the same guys on HNIC said he wasn't as good as Karlsson, now they're saying Bobby Orr...

Makar is a special player with ridiculous potential. Let's wait and see before declaring him the next Lidstrom or Harvey or... Orr.

Discussing postseason success between the two points to either a young poster or someone with a very poor memory.

Here is the top 10 playoff scorers for the 2016/17 Senators that made it within a goal from the Stanley Cup Finals:

1.		Erik Karlsson (D)	77	17	54	71	28	10	|	19	2	16	18	10	13
2.		Bobby Ryan (RW/LW)	62	13	12	25	24	-3	|	19	6	9	15	14	1
3.		Mike Hoffman (LW/C)	74	26	35	61	51	17	|	19	6	5	11	10	3
4.		Derick Brassard (C/W)	81	14	25	39	24	12	|	19	4	7	11	8	-3
5.		Jean-Gabriel Pageau (C)	82	12	21	33	24	13	|	19	8	2	10	16	5
6.		Kyle Turris (C/RW)	78	27	28	55	47	-3	|	19	4	6	10	25	2
7.		Clarke MacArthur (LW)	4	0	0	0	0	-1	|	19	3	6	9	12	5
8.		Mark Stone (RW)	71	22	32	54	25	12	|	19	5	3	8	20	5
9.		Zack Smith (C/LW)	74	16	16	32	61	6	|	19	1	5	6	12	-5
10.		Dion Phaneuf (D)	81	9	21	30	100	-6	|	19	1	4	5	17	-3

And make no mistake, the top 10 is not an arbitrary cutoff the leaves some big names off. The next 3 are 35 year old Burrows and two D-men.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Discussing postseason success between the two points to either a young poster or someone with a very poor memory.

Here is the top 10 playoff scorers for the 2016/17 Senators that made it within a goal from the Stanley Cup Finals:

1.		Erik Karlsson (D)	77	17	54	71	28	10	|	19	2	16	18	10	13
2.		Bobby Ryan (RW/LW)	62	13	12	25	24	-3	|	19	6	9	15	14	1
3.		Mike Hoffman (LW/C)	74	26	35	61	51	17	|	19	6	5	11	10	3
4.		Derick Brassard (C/W)	81	14	25	39	24	12	|	19	4	7	11	8	-3
5.		Jean-Gabriel Pageau (C)	82	12	21	33	24	13	|	19	8	2	10	16	5
6.		Kyle Turris (C/RW)	78	27	28	55	47	-3	|	19	4	6	10	25	2
7.		Clarke MacArthur (LW)	4	0	0	0	0	-1	|	19	3	6	9	12	5
8.		Mark Stone (RW)	71	22	32	54	25	12	|	19	5	3	8	20	5
9.		Zack Smith (C/LW)	74	16	16	32	61	6	|	19	1	5	6	12	-5
10.		Dion Phaneuf (D)	81	9	21	30	100	-6	|	19	1	4	5	17	-3

And make no mistake, the top 10 is not an arbitrary cutoff the leaves some big names off. The next 3 are 35 year old Burrows and two D-men.

Mike Hoffman is the club’s best scorer? Geez.

 

[DudeWhereIsMakar]

He gives my username excellent value.

What? People keep complimenting it. It might actually have value on here.

He's defiantly better than... Ray Bourque!

That aside, I think he deserves Conn Smythe if Colorado wins the cup.

 

[GirardSpinorama]

Discussing postseason success between the two points to either a young poster or someone with a very poor memory.

Here is the top 10 playoff scorers for the 2016/17 Senators that made it within a goal from the Stanley Cup Finals:

1.		Erik Karlsson (D)	77	17	54	71	28	10	|	19	2	16	18	10	13
2.		Bobby Ryan (RW/LW)	62	13	12	25	24	-3	|	19	6	9	15	14	1
3.		Mike Hoffman (LW/C)	74	26	35	61	51	17	|	19	6	5	11	10	3
4.		Derick Brassard (C/W)	81	14	25	39	24	12	|	19	4	7	11	8	-3
5.		Jean-Gabriel Pageau (C)	82	12	21	33	24	13	|	19	8	2	10	16	5
6.		Kyle Turris (C/RW)	78	27	28	55	47	-3	|	19	4	6	10	25	2
7.		Clarke MacArthur (LW)	4	0	0	0	0	-1	|	19	3	6	9	12	5
8.		Mark Stone (RW)	71	22	32	54	25	12	|	19	5	3	8	20	5
9.		Zack Smith (C/LW)	74	16	16	32	61	6	|	19	1	5	6	12	-5
10.		Dion Phaneuf (D)	81	9	21	30	100	-6	|	19	1	4	5	17	-3

And make no mistake, the top 10 is not an arbitrary cutoff the leaves some big names off. The next 3 are 35 year old Burrows and two D-men.

Craig Anderson was a stud though and better than the Avs goalies. Makar is also outscoring MacKinnon.

 

[Alex Jones]

He's not as good at the point as EK. Better shooter and better on D. I think he's around peak EK in total value, but not quite at the same level offensively.

 

[SillyRabbit]

There's already a poll on this very question on the front page of the polls section. This thread is a duplicate.

 

[Frolov 6'3]

Surpassed of him being a better offensive defenseman?

Karlsson was just not a very good defenseman but Makar has better players surrounding him.

 

[PatrikBerglund]

Karlsson's supporting cast was atrocious compared to Makar's, so it's not as easy as to just watch the raw stats.

How many times has Makar lead Colorado in regular season points?

 

[Toene]

Karlsson's supporting cast was atrocious compared to Makar's, so it's not as easy as to just watch the raw stats.

How many times has Makar lead Colorado in regular season points?

Would then-Karlsson even lead today's Avs in points? It's not a given at all. Rantanen and Mackinnon are better than any forward he ever played with.

 

[OKR]

Karlsson was the best player in the league at one point, Makar is not there yet.

 

[Luigi Habs]

People have a short memory. Norris Karlsson was the best player in the league. Unfortunately it didn’t last long.

 

[Sting]

I think he has. Kid is unreal. And if he gets a cup this year, I think it's no question that Makar has exceeded a prime Karlsson in much less time. Makar has already had more playoff success in his first 4 years than Karlsson has had over his entire playoff career. Mind you, surprisingly Karlsson has only played in the post season 6 times in his 13 year career. But also Karlsson has played on some stacked Ottawa rosters too.

What stacked rosters did Karlsson play on?

I can tell you he never played on a team remotely close to the current Avs.

 

[Unspecified]

Well Makar can actually play defense

 

[Colorado Avalanche]

He has surpassed Karlsson. Now on to debating him vs Lidstrom.

Lidstrom? Okay that's way too much.

Karlsson's supporting cast was atrocious compared to Makar's, so it's not as easy as to just watch the raw stats.

How many times has Makar lead Colorado in regular season points?

Colorado has arguably third best forward in the NHL on pace for over 100 points every season... Good argument