Mandar
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you trying to justify your comment is just like Panetta trying to justify what he did.
See what I did there....its called a false equivalency.
Learn.
Prospect Info: Hartford Wolf Pack/Bloomington Bison Thread: Part XV
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See what I did there....its called a false equivalency.
Learn.
bmoak
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I don't know if the history of using it explanation is going to work. This is Panetta's rookie pro season, so his teammates would know if he had a history of doing it as a pro player and likely would have stood up for him. Before that, he was at Colgate for four years (I saw him a few times), and the NCAA kind of frowns on taunting gestures and there is no need to do the tough guy strut taunt because there is no fighting. Before that, he was playing in Ontario Jr. A, where I doubt there would be much, if any, video evidence.
No need to justify per se. Just responding so you can appreciate my perspective. If you thought it was an attempt at humor, you were wrong.
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seeing his video, i also tend to want to believe Panetta,
the type of on-ice trash-talking, that he says it was, was likely quite common in Ontario Junior'A' hockey
he's a kid who's playing ECHL hockey in Jacksonville, when, after 4 years at good school (Colgate), on a career track, he could easily be making twice the salary somewhere else
I really don't want to get sucked back into this, but when I first watched the video it looked like a dude flexing. So I wasn't surprised to see that was his explanation as well. Of course, that he was kicked out for "racial gesturing," that Subban and his teammates were going nuts, that his own teammates didn't really seem to want to intervene, etc., all that stuff makes you wonder. Why would everyone react that way if there wasn't something more to it, something that was quite clear? And that's where I landed, that what I saw in the video was in fact a different kind of physical posturing, and that the guy did what he was accused of doing. Now I'm not totally sure what happened--much like I was after I watched the video initially without knowing any context other than "this guy did something racist." I was expecting to see something like the Ukrainian guy pantomiming peeling and eating a banana.
If it's found that what the guy did was truly racially motivated, I hope he never plays in North America again. If it's found that he was just being an idiot and his actions were misinterpreted, I hope he at least has the opportunity to catch on somewhere else. I guess we'll find out.
If it's found that what the guy did was truly racially motivated, I hope he never plays in North America again. If it's found that he was just being an idiot and his actions were misinterpreted, I hope he at least has the opportunity to catch on somewhere else. I guess we'll find out.
Mandar
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soooooo....if you werent making a joke, you are of the opinion that he is related to ADA?
C'mon.
Paul:
Tarmo was ghe best defenseman by far in Hartford's shortened season last year. He played first team power play although did not play penalty kill at all. I like the player and believe he has a shot at being a bottom pair defense. He slows down the game and made some great passes. He has an excellent shot that always seems to be able to get to the net. He is not a dynamic skater and had very few plays where he stickhandler into the offensive zone. The defense last year was not great and it was discouraging to see him being beat at times by AHL players.
I was at yesterday's game and I thought his defense was much improved. But he is not strong and will have a hard time with heavy forwards.
The problem is that it is hard to see where he plays with the Rangers. Barring a trade you have Trouba, Fox, Lindgren and Miller as your top four with Schneider, Jones, and Lundquist ahead of him. He is not as good as Jones if he eventually becomes the bottom pair left defenseman. So even if the Rangers trade one of the prospects there still isn't room for him. I think if he gets steady playing time in the NHL it is not likely to be with the Rangers.
Tarmo was ghe best defenseman by far in Hartford's shortened season last year. He played first team power play although did not play penalty kill at all. I like the player and believe he has a shot at being a bottom pair defense. He slows down the game and made some great passes. He has an excellent shot that always seems to be able to get to the net. He is not a dynamic skater and had very few plays where he stickhandler into the offensive zone. The defense last year was not great and it was discouraging to see him being beat at times by AHL players.
I was at yesterday's game and I thought his defense was much improved. But he is not strong and will have a hard time with heavy forwards.
The problem is that it is hard to see where he plays with the Rangers. Barring a trade you have Trouba, Fox, Lindgren and Miller as your top four with Schneider, Jones, and Lundquist ahead of him. He is not as good as Jones if he eventually becomes the bottom pair left defenseman. So even if the Rangers trade one of the prospects there still isn't room for him. I think if he gets steady playing time in the NHL it is not likely to be with the Rangers.
On the prospect page I wrote up some of the notes Scott Wheeler had on his review of Ranger prospects. He had one comment on Pajuniemi that related to his play with Hartford:
"But his biggest weapon may be his one-timer, which gives him clear power play upside (at any level, frankly, though I don’t think the Wolf Pack have utilized it enough)."
This is one of the points I have made about Hartford coaches development of the team's prospects. The coaches overplay the veterans and don't focus their decisions on developing prospects.
"But his biggest weapon may be his one-timer, which gives him clear power play upside (at any level, frankly, though I don’t think the Wolf Pack have utilized it enough)."
This is one of the points I have made about Hartford coaches development of the team's prospects. The coaches overplay the veterans and don't focus their decisions on developing prospects.
Adam Tambellini is playing for Canada in the Olympics. I wonder why he never worked out. He had ok stats in the AHL. Only taken a few spots ahead of Pavel Buchnevich
He has become a star in the SHL--63 points in 69 games between this season and last, including 10 points in 14 playoff games--playing for Rogle, which is Adam Edstrom's team (also Oliver Tarnstrom). Not totally surprising as he has always had good puck skills and a fantastic shot.
His problem, as I remember him from Hartford, was that he was a guy who thrived on finding the soft spots in the defense to unleash his shot when he was in juniors, but he never could really do that in the AHL. He was a bigger guy but not very strong, and so he couldn't really fight through traffic to find those open areas that he needed to be successful. So, naturally, a move to a league that's less-physical with more space on the larger ice surface led him to thrive. Ryan Gropp, who is also in Sweden right now, had the same issues. Gropp was stronger and went to the net better but still had issues with finding the open areas. And he also didn't have Mat Barzal to pass him the puck in Hartford.
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despite his immediate productivity in WHL at the time, I wish he'd never walked away from NoDak so quickly, his game might've rounded out better
RE Canada Olympic team, none of these guys were memorable Rangers :
"Congrats to #NYRalumni Eric Staal, Adam Cracknell, David Desharnais and former NYR prospect Adam Tambellini on being named to Team Canada in the upcoming Olympics."
in his only NYR season, Desharnais was -22 along with 22 assists ...
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I saw Tambellini play live each of three seasons when the Pack played in Hershey. I remember writing up my notes for this string every year and noticed that I never had anything about Tambellini. Nothing good, nothing bad, just nothing. He had little impact on the game. I think the impressions that nyr2k2 and I had on him are consistent. He was the first of three 3rd round picks, Duclair and Buchnevich were the others and he was the one that not only didn't make the NHL but didn't get close.
He has become a star in the SHL--63 points in 69 games between this season and last, including 10 points in 14 playoff games--playing for Rogle, which is Adam Edstrom's team (also Oliver Tarnstrom). Not totally surprising as he has always had good puck skills and a fantastic shot.
His problem, as I remember him from Hartford, was that he was a guy who thrived on finding the soft spots in the defense to unleash his shot when he was in juniors, but he never could really do that in the AHL. He was a bigger guy but not very strong, and so he couldn't really fight through traffic to find those open areas that he needed to be successful. So, naturally, a move to a league that's less-physical with more space on the larger ice surface led him to thrive. Ryan Gropp, who is also in Sweden right now, had the same issues. Gropp was stronger and went to the net better but still had issues with finding the open areas. And he also didn't have Mat Barzal to pass him the puck in Hartford.
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Had no idea Tambellini was doing so well in the SHL. Bring him back. Wanna see a Dawes-Tambellini-Kakko line.
NYR Viper
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I'm still waiting for Pashnin
I am of the opinion that they are of the same mind and we need to keep an eye on these guys.
17futurecap
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Wish Greco got more of a chance on the 4th line, just for his speed. That line could really use it.
I have only seen a few of his games or periods of games including the game I attended and Nils has pretty much been what you saw with the Rangers. Better defensively than I thought but the offense definitely is not popping. It's not like he's creating lots of chances that aren't going in. He has good control of the puck and makes the simple effective pass. But he doesn't carry the puck anywhere near the way Jones does and I haven't seen great passes that you see from Jones and Reunanen. It's his first year on a smaller surface so I'm not going to kill the guy but I think it's fair to say he is not dominating.
Pack win 5-1. The team was lousy in the first period and were lucky to be tied at the end of the period. The Pack scored when DiGiacinto gets the puck down low to Whelan who finds O'Leary all alone in front. But Whelan giveth and he taketh. With about thirty second left in the period he corrals the puck in his own end and makes a lazy drop pass that Springfield corrals, leading to havoc until they score with two seconds left.
Pack score three in the second. On the power play Brodzinski wins a puck along the boards and brings it towards the net where he finds an open Greco. Great play by Brodzinski. He's not going to be an NHL player but he is a real pro. I hope the Rangers bring him back to work with the kids. A few minutes later Reuschhoff wins the puck behind the net and gets it to Fritz who finds Ronning for the tap in. Reuschhoff now with 14 points in 26 games including 12 in the last 16. Fritz is another solid AHL player and a very good signing. Ronning is a very good player. Always creating chances, good with the puck. The size is a problem at the NHL level but a solid AHL player. The final goal is set up by Jones who carries the puck into the zone on the power play with ease. He gets the puck to Gettinger in the slot and while Gettinger is stopped the puck bounce to Pajuniemi who gets it back to Brodzinski. Couldn't tell if Pajuniemi was able to pass the puck to Brodzinski or it just hit off him. But very good play by Jones.
Fritz with an empty netter for the last goal.
Kinkaid plays with Huska back up to the taxi squad. Khodorenko scratched. Don't know if injury or healthy scratch. On defense Guitari and Taylor scratched so the six NHL contract players are in. Skinner starting to really exert himself with physicality.
Pack score three in the second. On the power play Brodzinski wins a puck along the boards and brings it towards the net where he finds an open Greco. Great play by Brodzinski. He's not going to be an NHL player but he is a real pro. I hope the Rangers bring him back to work with the kids. A few minutes later Reuschhoff wins the puck behind the net and gets it to Fritz who finds Ronning for the tap in. Reuschhoff now with 14 points in 26 games including 12 in the last 16. Fritz is another solid AHL player and a very good signing. Ronning is a very good player. Always creating chances, good with the puck. The size is a problem at the NHL level but a solid AHL player. The final goal is set up by Jones who carries the puck into the zone on the power play with ease. He gets the puck to Gettinger in the slot and while Gettinger is stopped the puck bounce to Pajuniemi who gets it back to Brodzinski. Couldn't tell if Pajuniemi was able to pass the puck to Brodzinski or it just hit off him. But very good play by Jones.
Fritz with an empty netter for the last goal.
Kinkaid plays with Huska back up to the taxi squad. Khodorenko scratched. Don't know if injury or healthy scratch. On defense Guitari and Taylor scratched so the six NHL contract players are in. Skinner starting to really exert himself with physicality.
nsvoyageurs
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Yeah thats not exactly encouraging but sometimes thats how it goes for these guys at the AHL level.
For those who have watched him, how has the rest of his game been?
I've seen about 3 games worth of action since he went down, and he hasn't stood out to me in any meaningful way, good or bad.
haohmaru
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“The Icemen players released their own statement on Friday, saying they’ve seen Panetta do the same gesture “many times before to those not of color.” The players also stated that they believe his actions were not racially motivated. “
News4Jax
it wasn’t a “monkey gesture” after all. Imagine that.
News4Jax
it wasn’t a “monkey gesture” after all. Imagine that.
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