Prospect Info: Hartford Wolf Pack/Bloomington Bison Thread: Part XV

[nyr2k2]

The "doing something with his arms by his side" is him pretending to be a gorilla. You did see it. It's there. If you need the additional context clues mentioned to get you to 100% that's fine but it's there.

As I posted on the main boards, I don't know why people are pretending it's not there.

LOL, I don't know why you're acting pissy with me. Initially you said he was "flailing" his arms around which appears to be the exact opposite of what's happening and in fact made me think I was missing what happened (when in fact I initially assumed the posturing was part of it).

I'm not "pretending" like it's not there. Moving on.

 

[nyr2k2]

Pack is tied 2-2 in the third. Fritz from Ronning and Rueschhoff and Brodzinski from Jones and Greco. Huska between the pipes.

 

[Chaels Arms]

LOL, I don't know why you're acting pissy with me. Initially you said he was "flailing" his arms around which appears to be the exact opposite of what's happening and in fact made me think I was missing what happened (when in fact I initially assumed the posturing was part of it).

I'm not "pretending" like it's not there. Moving on.

You literally just said it's not in the video.

Your words in your last post: "I can't see it in the video."

Is it there or is it not there? Are you legitimately disputing that what he's doing at the 18 second mark with his arms is not what pretty much everyone is saying he was doing? If not, then why say you can't see it in the video? I'm not being pissy, I'm just trying to understand what you're actually saying.

1. Do you see him "doing something with his arms?" I presume yes given what you said in your last post but just making sure.

2. If yes to question 1, do you believe that what he's doing with his arms is a racial taunt?

If yes to both questions than what exactly is it that you "can't see in the video"? (your own words)

If no to the second question than I don't really know what to say.

 

[nyr2k2]

Pack get the winner with less than 3 to play. They had a prolonged period of offensive zone pressure, it came out but right back in, and then Reunanen threw a shot at the cage from the right point and Richards deflected it in from right in front.

 

[cwede]

Notable today, dont think it's happened much(maybe once or twice w Schneider, when Nils was w NYR), all 6 dressed Pack D were NYR: Jones, Nils, Tarmo, Robertson, Skinner and old man Bitetto

 

[Mandar]

Is this guy D'Angelo's cousin?

Was it your opinion that some sort of joke was necessary here?

My goodness….grow the f uck up

 

[NYR Viper]

Per Panetta, it was a body builder motion not a racist gesture.

Did Tom Wilson do this same gesture last year to Brendan Smith? Or am I misremembering?

edit - I’m now noticing that apparently asking the question above is a bad question. I was actually curious not in a rhetorical fashion when I asked it. I have since confirmed Wilson did a similar looking move (may not be the same) but am not condoning anything if it was indeed as Subban believed it was.

 

[cwede]

Jordan Subban responds to Jacksonville Icemen after alleged racist gesture - TSN.ca

Maybe not racist action after all...

 

[Chaels Arms]

Per Panetta, it was a body builder motion not a racist gesture.

Did Tom Wilson do this same gesture last year to Brendan Smith? Or am I misremembering?

edit - I’m now noticing that apparently asking the question above is a bad question. I was actually curious not in a rhetorical fashion when I asked it. I have since confirmed Wilson did a similar looking move (may not be the same) but am not condoning anything if it was indeed as Subban believed it was.

It's the first time anyone has asked that question, at least in this thread. Why is it a bad question?

 

[NYR Viper]

It's the first time anyone has asked that question, at least in this thread. Why is it a bad question?

Was skimming Twitter and apparently people were saying it was a bad question. I didn’t want to come across as dismissive or anything. It’s a sensitive subject for many

 

[Ranger Ric]

I was at the game this afternoon in Hershey. Star of the game for the Pack in my opinion was Adam Huska. He not only made all the saves you would expect but made some very difficult saves. The two goals he let in he had no chance. The first was on a Hershey power play in which a bouncing puck game out of the corner that Robertson couldn't control leaving Hershey with a man just off to the side with a clear shot. The second Hershey goal was a poor defensive effort by Hartford with the Khodorenko-Pajuniemi-Richards line not covering Hershey players and Robertson and Lundquist running around with the puck going out front to an uncovered Hershey player. At the beginning of the third period with the score 2-2 Hershey somehow gets a breakaway (Don't recall who started on defense but just terrible coverage) that Huska stops and keeps the Pack in the game. I've been kind of lukewarm on Huska but today he was terrific.

The Pack goals were: 1. Reuschhoff making a power move to the net on his off wing and as he started to go behind the net throwing the puck to Ronning who was able to bat the puck Fritz all alone in front. That line was the best Hartford line. 2. Greco getting the puck to Jones who goes behind the net and finds Brodzinski all alone in front for the goal and 3: Ronning winning a race for the puck along the side boards and getting it to Reunanan who flung it to the goal with Richards deflecting it in.

Play was pretty sloppy. Just some awful turnovers by Greco, Gettinger, Reunanan and Bitetto that didn't result in goals but easily could have. The Whelan-O'Leary Digiacinto line didn't generate anything but didn't give up much. I thought the Khodorenko line was by far the worst with none of the players standing out until Richards, who was out with Ronning and Pajuniemi had his game winning deflection. Jones was the best defenseman but wasn't outstanding. Bitetto was awful. The others were meh.

The Pack won a game it probably didn't deserve to. The three stars were 1. Richards and two Hershey players 2 & 3. The three star selector was as sloppy as were the Pack.

Pack get the winner with less than 3 to play. They had a prolonged period of offensive zone pressure, it came out but right back in, and then Reunanen threw a shot at the cage from the right point and Richards deflected it in from right in front.

 

[Chaels Arms]

Was skimming Twitter and apparently people were saying it was a bad question. I didn’t want to come across as dismissive or anything. It’s a sensitive subject for many

I mean, if people want to say he was doing the Tom Wilson they're welcome to make that argument. It's not an argument I have any interest in making but it also can't be 100% refuted from the video alone given that posture looks similar to the posture one would assume if they were making the racial gesture the Subbans are saying it was.

The only additional info I've seen from one of the participants is Nico Blachmann (who jumped off the bench to attack Panetta) retweeted the Stingrays' statement speaking out on the incident. Hopefully we get to hear from him and the other players soon.

I tend to not buy what Panetta is saying here especially given that he's now directly tweeting at Jordan Subban another video of him doing the same gesture to what he calls "non-racialized" players (wtf does that even mean?). Saying "hey bud, I'm not a racist dbag, I'm just a dbag!" isn't really the best look but of course I'd certainly love to hear from other people who were on the ice.

 

[NYR Viper]

I was at the game this afternoon in Hershey. Star of the game for the Pack in my opinion was Adam Huska. He not only made all the saves you would expect but made some very difficult saves. The two goals he let in he had no chance. The first was on a Hershey power play in which a bouncing puck game out of the corner that Robertson couldn't control leaving Hershey with a man just off to the side with a clear shot. The second Hershey goal was a poor defensive effort by Hartford with the Khodorenko-Pajuniemi-Richards line not covering Hershey players and Robertson and Lundquist running around with the puck going out front to an uncovered Hershey player. At the beginning of the third period with the score 2-2 Hershey somehow gets a breakaway (Don't recall who started on defense but just terrible coverage) that Huska stops and keeps the Pack in the game. I've been kind of lukewarm on Huska but today he was terrific.

The Pack goals were: 1. Reuschhoff making a power move to the net on his off wing and as he started to go behind the net throwing the puck to Ronning who was able to bat the puck Fritz all alone in front. That line was the best Hartford line. 2. Greco getting the puck to Jones who goes behind the net and finds Brodzinski all alone in front for the goal and 3: Ronning winning a race for the puck along the side boards and getting it to Reunanan who flung it to the goal with Richards deflecting it in.

Play was pretty sloppy. Just some awful turnovers by Greco, Gettinger, Reunanan and Bitetto that didn't result in goals but easily could have. The Whelan-O'Leary Digiacinto line didn't generate anything but didn't give up much. I thought the Khodorenko line was by far the worst with none of the players standing out until Richards, who was out with Ronning and Pajuniemi had his game winning deflection. Jones was the best defenseman but wasn't outstanding. Bitetto was awful. The others were meh.

The Pack won a game it probably didn't deserve to. The three stars were 1. Richards and two Hershey players 2 & 3. The three star selector was as sloppy as were the Pack.

Thanks for the write up

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Per Panetta, it was a body builder motion not a racist gesture.

Did Tom Wilson do this same gesture last year to Brendan Smith? Or am I misremembering?

edit - I’m now noticing that apparently asking the question above is a bad question. I was actually curious not in a rhetorical fashion when I asked it. I have since confirmed Wilson did a similar looking move (may not be the same) but am not condoning anything if it was indeed as Subban believed it was.

I'm definitely more inclined to believe it was a body building gesture like Wilson did last season. Esp if he was saying things like "Oh yea you're a tough guy when the linemen come between us". I just can't see ANYONE being dumb enough to throw their career away by doing a racial gesture like what is being perceived. I kind of wish PK stayed out of it instead of blowing it up before he got a fair chance for an investigation to be completed.

Of course, if he has some sort of history of this, or is throwing out racial slurs on the ice, or there is an actual clear video that shows an ape gesture more clear then he can enjoy the repercussions that follow..

 

[haohmaru]

I tend to not buy what Panetta is saying here especially given that he's now directly tweeting at Jordan Subban another video of him doing the same gesture to what he calls "non-racialized" players (wtf does that even mean?).

I think it means he's done the same thing to non POC as well. It would give a little weight to his argument.

 

[Paul Padovano]

Tarmo with another assist! I'd love to see him given another chance to play in the NHL He's a Rangers draft pick who has done everything asked of him, and progresses each season. They send him to Hartford, he goes and plays for the Pack. He doesn't immediately take off, back to his native Finland when things don't go his way. I know Jones and Hajek are ahead of Tarmo on the depth chart and I'm certainly not saying that's unfair. But I believe the potential is still there for all three kids. During his short stint, we at least were able to witness that sweet one timer pass Tarmo gave to Artemi, which resulted in a goal.

Perhaps the Rangers can deal one or two of these defensive prospects for additional scoring assistance on the second and/or third lines. I know there's also the possibility of adding Chychrun.

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

I think it means he's done the same thing to non POC as well. It would give a little weight to his argument.

Uh, referring to Subban as “racialized” and everyone else as, er… not… isn’t quite the help to his case that he thinks it is…

Also, coming out with that statement (and sending it directly to the player he wronged?!), more than a day after the incident – and only after he’d been terminated, it should be pointed out – rather than immediately after the fact is pretty telling, IMO.

 

[haohmaru]

Uh, referring to Subban as “racialized” and everyone else as, er… not… isn’t quite the help to his case that he thinks it is…

Also, coming out with that statement (and sending it directly to the player he wronged?!), more than a day after the incident – and only after he’d been terminated, it should be pointed out – rather than immediately after the fact is pretty telling, IMO.

The meaning of NONRACIAL is not of, relating to, or based on race : not racial.

He said he's done this gesture before to "non racialized" players. His wording could've been a bit better but I think it's pretty clear what he was trying to say. ("I've done this same stupid shit to white people"). Is there proof of this? I have no idea. Is he telling the truth? Again, I don't know. It would certainly add credence to what he's trying to say if others stepped forward and said that he did the same shit to them and they weren't a POC. It's still dumb and amateurish.

As to the second part of your sentence - if, in his mind, he did a flex thing to what he considers another shit talking hockey player, and not a POC, then he probably thought nothing of it at all. Who knows when he found out that it blew up over the internet and that he needed to respond to it? I actually think it's more commendable that he sent it directly to the player that believes he was wronged than just putting it out on his twitter/instagram/etc... I don't know enough about what this guy's role was on his team or what Subban's is on his to know if this is common for them (ie... tough guy / instigator / agitator ) or not.

I tend to try to give people the benefit of the doubt until the facts are in front of me. If Subban was really mocked in this manner then this guy should be out on his ass as it has no place in the game or in world, frankly. No question about that.

 

[JohnC]

Uh, referring to Subban as “racialized” and everyone else as, er… not… isn’t quite the help to his case that he thinks it is…

Also, coming out with that statement (and sending it directly to the player he wronged?!), more than a day after the incident – and only after he’d been terminated, it should be pointed out – rather than immediately after the fact is pretty telling, IMO.

Knowing what we know about the situation (seeing the gesture, seeing the reaction from Subban and his teammates, seeing basically the complete lack of reaction from Panetta’s teammates, having an on the record misconduct from the refs for a ‘racial gesture’) I’m gonna have to go with Panetta being full of shit for this bodybuilder pose excuse.

 

[NYR Viper]

Knowing what we know about the situation (seeing the gesture, seeing the reaction from Subban and his teammates, seeing basically the complete lack of reaction from Panetta’s teammates, having an on the record misconduct from the refs for a ‘racial gesture’) I’m gonna have to go with Panetta being full of shit for this bodybuilder pose excuse.

And just so we are all clear, this is what a true investigation would do. If it is found to be accurate, than he very well may be.

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

Knowing what we know about the situation (seeing the gesture, seeing the reaction from Subban and his teammates, seeing basically the complete lack of reaction from Panetta’s teammates, having an on the record misconduct from the refs for a ‘racial gesture’) I’m gonna have to go with Panetta being full of shit for this bodybuilder pose excuse.

Yup. That, and the fact that the team started out with a tepid "we support the investigation," and then, not even a day later, completely revised that statement and released him outright.

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that didn't happen because a team in the lowest level professional league in North America, in the whitest of the four major sports, located near the FL-GA line, during an NFL playoff weekend, got a call from a sponsor. Much more likely they received feedback from their own people who were there ice-side.

So, sure, absolutely, we should let the investigation conclude before we make any final determinations. But let's just say I wouldn't put any money on him being reinstated any time soon.

 

[Harbour Dog]

I actually lean toward believing Panetta. The gesture could just as easily be a bodybuilder strut; and if he has a history of using it, and never added anything racist to it for Subban's sake, then fair enough.

Hopefully they are able to reach a conclusive answer with the investigation, either way. That kind of hateful crap has to be closely examined and severely punished.

 

[RangersFan1994]

I actually lean toward believing Panetta. The gesture could just as easily be a bodybuilder strut; and if he has a history of using it, and never added anything racist to it for Subban's sake, then fair enough.

Hopefully they are able to reach a conclusive answer with the investigation, either way. That kind of hateful crap has to be closely examined and severely punished.

I just don't see how the body builder strut is similar the look of a racist gesture. Having said that, if he has made the same body builder strut in the past towards other players of other races, then I truly believe him. Can anyone verify if any racist things were actually being said? If not, then Subban or whoever should never assume that it’s racist. That is just as ignorant.

 

[NYR Viper]

The court of public perception is real in todays world. This is why we generally have a due process and an investigation. Let the process play out, there is a lot of visibility here as there should be and I'm happy there is if it indeed occurred. In saying that, before we crucify the kid let's see how it plays out. If he is proven to have done something heinous then by all means, he should be booted.

 

[CupSeeker]

Was it your opinion that some sort of joke was necessary here?

My goodness….grow the f uck up

Nothing funny about it; but the reality is just that, real. And this shit from these types of people need to remain in focus and that includes that dick TDA.