Prospect Info: Hartford Wolf Pack (AHL)/Maine Mariners (ECHL) Thread: Part XII

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After the game he was recalled to Hartford.

Gropp has two shots in two games in the CHL. For a guy who should be a high-volume shooter, that's not cutting it. He probably reluctantly accepted the assignment, and isn't going all-out. 100% speculation but I'm guessing he's still looking for a trade.

Or Gropp is still feeling his way on a new team in a new league. He did sit out for a while too. I'd give him a few more shifts :D to get acclimated.

Edit: didn't see that he was recalled to Hartford. Be interesting to see if there is a trade coming.
 
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Or Gropp is still feeling his way on a new team in a new league. He did sit out for a while too. I'd give him a few more shifts :D to get acclimated.

Edit: didn't see that he was recalled to Hartford. Be interesting to see if there is a trade coming.
I mean he played 8 games in Maine last season and had 5 goals on 25 shots. I think the problem is he's just not that good, and now he might not be motivated.

And when was he recalled to Hartford? Last player movement I see with him was when he was reinstated from suspension and assigned to Maine on 11/2.

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I mean he played 8 games in Maine last season and had 5 goals on 25 shots. I think the problem is he's just not that good, and now he might not be motivated.

I don't disagree on whether he's any good--but I just don't see where there can be a lack of motivation. Sure, it's disheartening to know your employer doesn't think a whole lot of your skills, but the only way a hockey player stays in professional hockey is by sucking it up, playing hard and trying to do the things necessary to move up the ladder. Gropp had his little snit and didn't report, but ultimately came around. The organization could have easily cut ties with him, but didn't. And now he's back in the AHL.

Not expecting anything, but we'll see.
 
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I don't disagree on whether he's any good--but I just don't see where there can be a lack of motivation. Sure, it's disheartening to know your employer doesn't think a whole lot of your skills, but the only way a hockey player stays in professional hockey is by sucking it up, playing hard and trying to do the things necessary to move up the ladder. Gropp had his little snit and didn't report, but ultimately came around. The organization could have easily cut ties with him, but didn't. And now he's back in the AHL.

Not expecting anything, but we'll see.
Where are you seeing he has been recalled by Hartford? In my last post I linked to the AHL transaction page and I don't see what you're saying.

Anyway, Gropp played in the ECHL with a "new team" before and had no problem getting off his shot. 2 in 2 games? Pretty weak. He needs to step it up or else he'll be stuck in Maine all year.
 
Where are you seeing he has been recalled by Hartford? In my last post I linked to the AHL transaction page and I don't see what you're saying.

Anyway, Gropp played in the ECHL with a "new team" before and had no problem getting off his shot. 2 in 2 games? Pretty weak. He needs to step it up or else he'll be stuck in Maine all year.

It's the first sentence of the post of yours I quoted. Guess that was about someone else. Oh well. :confused:Anyway, Maine had a lot of turnover, it's a new season. As for Gropp, the ball's in his court. There are worst things in life than being a professional hockey player
 
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Hartford has the third worst PP% in the league at 9.8, going 6/61 on the season (8th most opportunities)

They have the sixth best PK% in the league at 88.2, going 45/51 on the season (T-22nd most opportunities)
 
It's the first sentence of the post of yours I quoted. Guess that was about someone else. Oh well. :confused:Anyway, Maine had a lot of turnover, it's a new season. As for Gropp, the ball's in his court. There are worst things in life than being a professional hockey player
The post you're referring to, I was responding to a post about Elmer having a hat trick. And he was recalled after that game where he recorded the hat trick.

My point about Gropp was separate from that. Gropp is still in Maine.

There are worse things than being a professional hockey player, for sure. But for 70k, riding buses around the ECHL? It takes a toll. I know a couple guys who have done it and it is tough. Not something many guys want to do for more than a few years. So, he better get it going.
 
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How was the quality? It was answered, thanks.
It's not the NHL TV super HD quality, but most areans seem to have HD cameras, some better than others. Often you will only get 1 centre ice camera doing the game, the Pack at home for e.g. have no replys or different angles.

Overall for $60/season, well worth the investment... Bob "Hawk" Crawford doing the play-by-play alone is worth more than that.. guy is a legend.
 
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Additional: 50 years ago man sent humans to the moon, however the AHL is still having trouble syncing the game clock to the clock on the screen or show when there is a PP (let alone how much time is left). AHL TV =No frills pure hockey with in solid HD (except certain locations such as Providence, where there seemed to be a white haze at all times, maybe due to arena lighting)
 
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well now we know why he was hired so late in offseason
and that he wasn't a last option fallback choice

"It was a wild time in July,” Knoblauch said. “I had committed to doing some hockey camps in Germany. I did an interview before I left and another when I got back. Then I did another interview before I left to go back to Germany with my son, and I was offered the job.”
 
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Keep him away until some semblance of structure is installed

Could Knoblauch be 'called up'
The Rangers and Wolf Pack use the same system/structure, or close enough to one another to make mid-season call ups and whatnot easier. AV did the same thing.

Knoblauch and Quinn sat down over the summer to go over everything.
 
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The Rangers and Wolf Pack use the same system/structure, or close enough to one another to make mid-season call ups and whatnot easier. AV did the same thing.

Knoblauch and Quinn sat down over the summer to go over everything.

Has anyone reported what the system is? We're a month into the season and I honestly have no idea what I'm looking at with the Rangers. I can flip to a random west coast game and be like oh that's a 2-1-2 with zone defense.
 
Has anyone reported what the system is? We're a month into the season and I honestly have no idea what I'm looking at with the Rangers. I can flip to a random west coast game and be like oh that's a 2-1-2 with zone defense.

It’s not man-man defense anymore, it’s zone but still a fairly dynamic zone defense. We do not shrink as much as say the Islanders does. If you create a square between wingers and Ds our square will just be bigger than theirs. And it won’t move as much left/right, nor leave as much open on the far side. We don’t overload as much.

With the puck we play very freely. But it’s a sign of the times of the league, more than in relation to other teams.

But one significant aspect is how many break out plays we make that let the center go really deep to build up speed while we hold up the play with the puck a little so that we can hit the center with speed. I am not DQs biggest fan, but credit is due where credit is deserved and DQ —through this — definitely deserves some credit for Zibas breakout. And it’s the same with Chytil. These guys need time to build up speed, and if you do not make that play, they will get the puck with full speed in the neutral zone 1/10 game, instead of 1-2 times per game. It’s very significant. When Panarin is on the ice he also takes on the role of going deep.

Furthermore, the play described above and many other plays we — and of course many others make in this league right now — create a tempo change. 1. You go up ice with a pass, 2. you hold the play up, 3. you hit someone with speed with a pass (doesn’t at all have to be a PP like breakout, it’s in the neutral zone, before the O blue-line and inside the attacking-zone where you hit the trailing D, it’s all the same basics.

But remember — and this shows in our play — just because a tempo change is an opportunity because it slows the defense down, it’s an equal risk if you lose the puck. In other words, we are making risky plays defensively all the time with the puck.

I really want to stress this because we call out our defense A LOT, and often they are totally hanged out to dry. If you think our defense is bad, there should be no doubt whatsoever that it AT LEAST is 60/40 on the forwards, lol, because we play REALLY risky with the puck. Like put J Lemiere behind the bench and he would be dead certain that it’s Make my Day or something like that.

We are not unique in this regard in the league, far from it, but 3/4 of the plays we make would be black listed 10 years ago — for a reason. On the other hand, they of course generate a bunch of opportunities. So you can’t say that it’s right or wrong, but it certainly has an impact on things, no doubt.
 
It’s not man-man defense anymore, it’s zone but still a fairly dynamic zone defense. We do not shrink as much as say the Islanders does. If you create a square between wingers and Ds our square will just be bigger than theirs. And it won’t move as much left/right, nor leave as much open on the far side. We don’t overload as much.

With the puck we play very freely. But it’s a sign of the times of the league, more than in relation to other teams.

But one significant aspect is how many break out plays we make that let the center go really deep to build up speed while we hold up the play with the puck a little so that we can hit the center with speed. I am not DQs biggest fan, but credit is due where credit is deserved and DQ —through this — definitely deserves some credit for Zibas breakout. And it’s the same with Chytil. These guys need time to build up speed, and if you do not make that play, they will get the puck with full speed in the neutral zone 1/10 game, instead of 1-2 times per game. It’s very significant. When Panarin is on the ice he also takes on the role of going deep.

Furthermore, the play described above and many other plays we — and of course many others make in this league right now — create a tempo change. 1. You go up ice with a pass, 2. you hold the play up, 3. you hit someone with speed with a pass (doesn’t at all have to be a PP like breakout, it’s in the neutral zone, before the O blue-line and inside the attacking-zone where you hit the trailing D, it’s all the same basics.

But remember — and this shows in our play — just because a tempo change is an opportunity because it slows the defense down, it’s an equal risk if you lose the puck. In other words, we are making risky plays defensively all the time with the puck.

I really want to stress this because we call out our defense A LOT, and often they are totally hanged out to dry. If you think our defense is bad, there should be no doubt whatsoever that it AT LEAST is 60/40 on the forwards, lol, because we play REALLY risky with the puck. Like put J Lemiere behind the bench and he would be dead certain that it’s Make my Day or something like that.

We are not unique in this regard in the league, far from it, but 3/4 of the plays we make would be black listed 10 years ago — for a reason. On the other hand, they of course generate a bunch of opportunities. So you can’t say that it’s right or wrong, but it certainly has an impact on things, no doubt.

Good post and again a great example of why Quinn doesn’t want to use lias in the middle for any real length of time. Wants centers carrying the mail building speed thru the neutral zone. Lias is allergic to that premise.
Where as Mika Chytil Howden are much better fits for it.
 
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