Kings News: [Hammond] LA Kings Have Hired Darryl Sutter As New Head Coach

[onlyalad]

Figures LA hires an illegal alien.

 

[KingsFan7824]

Had Lombardi matched the 5 year contract for Gaborik, he would most likely be a King. It was a risk that I would have wanted to take at that time. Pretty much every free agent is going to cost more than they're worth, to say they ALL would cost EVEN MORE to come to LA is an overstatement.

Look at the history of free agency in the NHL. Multiple teams, multiple GM's, multiple players. Most likely, Gaborik doesn't end up with the Kings. He ended up where he most likely would have gone.

Vancouver, not a big free agent destination. San Jose, same thing. Phoenix, Edmonton, not much there either. Anaheim got lucky once having a brother of a hall of famer, took a chance on a busted up Selanne because they had him before, and paid an aging Fedorov. Colorado managed to get Smyth, but he's always been a western guy. Calgary has had to give anyone and everyone NMC's on 5 or 6 year contracts.

The Kings aren't going to get the top guys. They can get Schneider coming off a not so great season or two back in the day, Duchesne because he had ties to the team, an older Blake, Galley, Gagne(although this one did surprise me, but it's a similar situation to Schneider), Scuderi, Mitchell, Handzus. That's their ceiling.

 

[The Butcher]

Let's see if Sutter can pull the reigns in a bit on Doughty... should be interesting.

 

[jonrazor12]

Dont have much faith in Sutter to turn around the King's offensive woes, but I do expect him to come in a change the atmosphere in the locker room. Hopefully he can get the players to give more than they did under TM. The Sutter bashing is premature here. For all the people that wanted TM gone, you would think they would be at least content with Sutter. Give the guy 10 games before dishing out all this hate.

 

[Ron*]

The Sutter bashing is premature here. For all the people that wanted TM gone, you would think they would be at least content with Sutter. Give the guy 10 games before dishing out all this hate.

And where would be the fun in that?

Some people just cannot be satisfied. Murray was not to blame for the Kings' woes, the lack of production by the Kings' players is to blame...you can't squeeze blood from a turnip.

I cannot remember when a Kings team was this inept at scoring goals. It may never have been this bad...the teams I remember were very good to great offensively, they just sucked on defense.

We have a complete role reversal here...but it sucks watching these guys game after game struggle as they have.

 

[Telos]

How long will it take before the Iginla to LA rumors begin to swirl? No Doubt, sooner or later Lombardi & Sutter are going to end up calling Calgary to talk forwards.

 

[dabeechman]

Could always be worse. We could have traded Johnson and a 2nd for Turris

 

[Nex06]

And where would be the fun in that?

Some people just cannot be satisfied. Murray was not to blame for the Kings' woes, the lack of production by the Kings' players is to blame...you can't squeeze blood from a turnip.

This is too easy to prove wrong...

Justin Williams 2005-07 = 64 goals, 0.39 gpg
Justin Williams 2010-11 = 22 goals, 0.30 gpg
Justin Williams 2011-12 = 4 goals, 0.13 gpg

Dustin Penner 2006-2011 (preKings) = 122 goals, 0.32 gpg
Dustin Penner after joining Kings = 4 goals, 0.10 gpg

Dustin Brown 2007-2010/11 = 109 goals, 0.34 gpg
Dustin Brown this season = 6 goals, 0.19 gpg

Jaret Stoll 2005-2010/11 = 103 goals, 0.23 gpg
Jaret Stoll this season = 2 goals, 0.06 gpg

Drew Doughty 2009-2010/11 = 27 goals, 0.17 gpg
Drew Doughty this season = 2 goals, 0.08 gpg

Brad Richardson 2009-2010/11 = 18 goals, 0.12 ppg
Brad Richardson this season = 1 goal, 0.05 ppg

Anze Kopitar 2007-2010/11 = 118 goals, 0.37 gpg
Anze Kopitar this season = 10 goals, 0.32 gpg

Alexei Ponikarovsky 2005-2010 = 104 goals, 0.28 gpg
Alexei Ponikarovsky 2010/11 = 5 goals, 0.08 gpg
Alexei Ponikarovsky 2011/12 = 7 goals, 0.21 gpg

So the Kings players obviously DO have some offense in them, it just needs to be squeezed out of them. At least part of the blame for lack of offense lately is on Murray. It is not possible that every player has a bad season, it is not possible that every player dropped in form, it is not possible that every player decided they are not going to play 100% just like that... Blaming only players for this season is just unrealistic and wrong evaluation of the situation. And yes, that goes for Lombardi and his first message to the players as well. That was just stupid and wrong. EVERYONE is responsible, each one of the players and each member of the coaching staff. I guess he realized that in the evening and was much calmer and rational next time he met with the players.

 

[Puck U]

Figures LA hires an illegal alien.

OK ... I LOL'd ... nice juan

 

[Jwm1986]

The problem with Dean Lombardi is that he's almost too calculated and strategic. Hes risk averse. Will never stray from what led to success (semi success?) in the past for him.

The problem with this methodology in general is that risk is a prerequisite for high reward. Not just this situation, but in general in life. You don't become wealthy off investing in low risk mutual funds; you preserve your capital and maybe make an average return. But thats the best you can expect. AVERAGE.

Dean Lombardi always settles for average. Never strays from what he thinks has worked for him in the past and the people he knows. The signing of DS proves just that. Hes going for the low risk move. Does he know in the back of his head that he might not be the best fit long-term? He has to. But for the time being, DS will most likely take this team into the playoffs this year. Thats about it though.

Look at Dean Lombardi's history. EVERY single free agent and trade he has made has been a player that was either 1) Injured so he got good value on them or 2) maligned in some way. Mike Richards being the only exception.That happened to fall in his lap. However, if DL didnt have ties to the Flyers, i can almost guarantee we dont have MR today.


He really only deals with teams hes familiar with and nothing else. Again, back to the idea of not straying from what he knows, which translates into virtually no risk. Quite frankly, this methodology is ingrained in his being and will never change. The problem is that when you settle for average, the best return you could ever expect is slightly above average results. You will never turn average into superior returns or results, just like you could never expect high returns on safe investments..

 

[Nex06]

Yeah. Lombardi really sucks. He does only bad things. Except those that are good, but they don't count, because they just fall in his lap.

 

[Jwm1986]

Yeah. Lombardi really sucks. He does only bad things. Except those that are good, but they don't count, because they just fall in his lap.

I never mentioned once that he was a bad GM. I actually think hes done a great job. The problem is that hes taken us as far as his frame of mind will allow. Hes taken low risk and improved this team 100%. The problem is that anyone who expects a Stanley Cup team for many years to come is fooling themselves. That goes back to my analogy of investing in low risk mutual funds and expecting huge returns.

Am i correct? I dont know. This is just my opinion. Your entitled to disagree with me.

 

[Shellz]

Brad Richards? When did we get him?

 

[The Butcher]

The problem with Dean Lombardi is that he's almost too calculated and strategic. Hes risk averse. Will never stray from what led to success (semi success?) in the past for him.

The problem with this methodology in general is that risk is a prerequisite for high reward. Not just this situation, but in general in life. You don't become wealthy off investing in low risk mutual funds; you preserve your capital and maybe make an average return. But thats the best you can expect. AVERAGE.

Dean Lombardi always settles for average. Never strays from what he thinks has worked for him in the past and the people he knows. The signing of DS proves just that. Hes going for the low risk move. Does he know in the back of his head that he might not be the best fit long-term? He has to. But for the time being, DS will most likely take this team into the playoffs this year. Thats about it though.

Look at Dean Lombardi's history. EVERY single free agent and signing he has made has been a player that was either 1) Injured so he got good value on them or 2) maligned in some way. Mike Richards being the only exception.That happened to fall in his lap. However, if DL didnt have ties to the Flyers, i can almost guarantee we dont have MR today.


He really only deals with teams hes familiar with and nothing else. Again, back to the idea of not straying from what he knows, which translates into virtually no risk. Quite frankly, this methodology is ingrained in his being and will never change. The problem is that when you settle for average, the best return you could ever expect is slightly above average results. You will never turn average into superior returns or results, just like you could never expect high returns on safe investments..

Not to nitpick but MR was aquired in a trade, not free agency. Scuderi might have been a better exception.

 

[Jwm1986]

Not to nitpick but MR was aquired in a trade, not free agency. Scuderi might have been a better exception.

I meant to say Free agents and trades, but i guess i wrote free agents and signings...anyways, i changed it to what i originally intended. Thanks.

 

[kingsfan]

Well, actually 27th, but I see your point. But, he also had far less offensive talent then the Kings now have. He lead a team of Iginla, Kipper, Langkow, a rookie Phaneuf and a bunch of grinders to a division title with a 103 point season.

No, it actually was 28th. They only beat Chicago and St. Louis in scoring that year.

I do agree that he did well with what he had, I just disagreed with the author suggesting it was dynamic. The defense was dynamic that year but Sutter hardly turned coacl into diamonds with the offense that year.

 

[HYORI 1963]

I believe in DL, Sutter and the kings!

 

[kingsholygrail]

Figures LA hires an illegal alien.

lmao Good one.

 

[Scottkmlps]

Dont have much faith in Sutter to turn around the King's offensive woes, but I do expect him to come in a change the atmosphere in the locker room. Hopefully he can get the players to give more than they did under TM. The Sutter bashing is premature here. For all the people that wanted TM gone, you would think they would be at least content with Sutter. Give the guy 10 games before dishing out all this hate.

It's because DL didn't go out and get the guy they wanted, so naturally Lombardi made the wrong decision.

 

[kingsfan]

If AEG/Leiweke decides to replace Lombardi, whenever that may be, who do you guys think would be a good GM candidate to take over the management duties? Some names to consider:

Ron Hextall, Craig Patrick, Dave Nonis, Jim Nill, Tim Burke, Michael Futa, Rick Dudley

Hexy I'd consider, and I think Nill would be a great GM, but I doubt he'll ever leave Detroit now. The rest, pass. I think Futa may work, but not now.

Brad Richards 2009-2010/11 = 18 goals, 0.12 ppg
Brad Richards this season = 1 goal, 0.05 ppg

When did he get here? Did TM's system suck so bad it made him invisible?

 

[Scottkmlps]

No, it actually was 28th. They only beat Chicago and St. Louis in scoring that year.

I do agree that he did well with what he had, I just disagreed with the author suggesting it was dynamic. The defense was dynamic that year but Sutter hardly turned coacl into diamonds with the offense that year.

27 CALGARY 82 46 25 11 103 .628 2.63 2.35
28 COLUMBUS 82 35 43 4 74 .451 2.62 3.37
29 CHICAGO 82 26 43 13 65 .396 2.55 3.40
30 ST LOUIS 82 21 46 15 57 .348 2.35 3.46

From NHL.com.

http://www.nhl.com/ice/teamstats.htm?fetchKey=20062ALLSAAALL&sort=avgGoalsPerGame&viewName=summary

 

[Whiskeypete]

Dont have much faith in Sutter to turn around the King's offensive woes, but I do expect him to come in a change the atmosphere in the locker room. Hopefully he can get the players to give more than they did under TM. The Sutter bashing is premature here. For all the people that wanted TM gone, you would think they would be at least content with Sutter. Give the guy 10 games before dishing out all this hate.

Sutter will make an improvement from the outset. coaches of his ilk usually do, but the return is also going to be a short term fix. i wanted a change from Murray like most. what i didn't want was a Murray v2. what i wanted was a coaching CHANGE. this isn't a change, this is DL bringing in a guy he feels comfortable with and not taking a chance.

How long will it take before the Iginla to LA rumors begin to swirl? No Doubt, sooner or later Lombardi & Sutter are going to end up calling Calgary to talk forwards.

i expect before the official presser of his announcement and it won't stop. i expect this trade, or something exactly like this one to happen. the exact type of just bad trade that will have LA giving away assets they will regret. DL is win now panic mode, because his future is at stake. i fully expect him to burn assets at this point trying to win.

The problem with Dean Lombardi is that he's almost too calculated and strategic. Hes risk averse. Will never stray from what led to success (semi success?) in the past for him.

he's playing the percentages, making the safe bet. there is a time and a place for it. AEG knew what they were getting when they went with DL. at the time AEG was likely looking to make the safe bet, because the team was a disaster and it was the right move back then to 'right the ship'. i think both DL and AEG are in similar situations. one of them has to make the gut feel, risky move to get them where they need to be. DL is going to make some risky moves that will absolutely kill this team.

i see only a short term success with DS. he will burn out quite a few guys, piss off others, LA will remain a desert to FA's. DL and DS will both be gone at some point late next season. only after DL has the chance to make some bad personnel moves that will cost LA. i expect this to be the worst of all moves in this team's history.

 

[afrobomber11]

sutter takes talented teams and turns them to grinding teams that get progressivly worst: good luck doughty and kopitar staying in la for long

 

[Nex06]

When did he get here? Did TM's system suck so bad it made him invisible?

Crap. At least I know someone read my post.

 

[GKJ]

Figures LA hires an illegal alien.

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