Habs vs Wings

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Which team is currently in better shape moving forward?


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You know buch is outscoring Demidov right? I still give the edge to demidov because he’s younger and a bigger player, but saying it’s champagne compared to seven up just shows you guys need to up your knowledge on prospects that aren’t just habs centered.
I think that's a fine comparison for those 2 players. Buchelnikov is a fantastic prospect, but he's clearly a few tiers below Demidov.

Even with size and age taken out of the picture there's a clear separation talent wise. Buchelnikov is 2nd for TOI/game among all forwards on Vityaz, presumably getting top unit powerplay time and he's tied for 21st for +/- on the team.

On SKA, Demdiov is 12th for TOI/game among forwards, gets virtually no powerplay time and is leading SKA in +/- and tied for 3rd in the league. He leads the league in points/60 by a significant margin, if SKA hadn't hard balled him for refusing to extend then I think there's a very good chance he'd be leading the league in points at 19 years old.
 
Listen don’t be salty because I value the complete package. Hutson will always score a lot of points, but he will never be a huge hitter, or shot blocker, or some one you can have clear the crease, and who knows if he even will develop to be a good defender? Again, Hutson is very very tiny. Not just in height but muscle too, we will see if he’s a unicorn in that aspect but I doubt it. He will have to put on serious mass for his long term health.

Buchnelikov has more points than demidov this season on a worse team in the KHL, demidov is 2 years younger, so I’ll still give demidov the edge, but buchnelikov is that good. I wish he’d put on more weight though.

the reality is most people just don’t pay attention or know red wings prospects. Trey Augustine and Sebastian Cossa are the best goalie prospect tandom in a long time but you just … never hear about it. Both absolute blue chip prospects.

I think the habs have the edge in forward (though they do have to get that center situation figured out) and the red wings have an edge in defense and goaltending. We will see which one provides a more fruitful rebuild.
I’ve read the thread and enjoy your posts.

I’m obviously a Habs fan and biaised but I find your take a bit strange as a Wings fan as you were able to witness one of the greatest defender of all time that didn’t do all these things…stick work is more important for elite players.

Hutson already found a way as a rookie. Nothing indicates he’ll loose his IQ. To make it clear…no I am not comparing Hutson to Nik Lindstrom but complete package is so rare. Elite is elite.
 
Your Hutson comments show that you haven't watched much of him. He will threaten for Norris trophies. He is that good.

After playing 44 games in the NHL: "He will threaten for Norris trophies". :skeptic:

no I am not comparing Hutson to Nik Lindstrom but complete package is so rare. Elite is elite.

Jesus. Just saying their names in the same sentence seems wrong and sinful.
 
After playing 44 games in the NHL: "He will threaten for Norris trophies". :skeptic:
Watch him play and you will concur. We said McDavid would win for Harts when he was still playing in Erie.

Yes....Hutson is not the defensive equivalent of Connor, but he will threaten for Norris trophies. Again.....watch him play beyond any highlights or just when the Habs play your team.
 
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You know buch is outscoring Demidov right? I still give the edge to demidov because he’s younger and a bigger player, but saying it’s champagne compared to seven up just shows you guys need to up your knowledge on prospects that aren’t just habs centered.
Their pts/60 is not even close because Demidov is clearly the superior players and it's by a landside.
 
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as a Red Wings fan, I don't like the way both teams are structured going forward. you build a good team with D and goalies but you win Cups with dominating centers.

San Jose with just Celebrini and Smith down the middle will be way more successful in the coming 10 years .
 
Watch him play and you will concur. We said McDavid would win for Harts when he was still playing in Erie.

Yes....Hutson is not the defensive equivalent of Connor, but he will threaten for Norris trophies. Again.....watch him play beyond any highlights or just when the Habs play your team.

I never said he was having a subpar 44 games so far to start his NHL career. I'm saying I don't see him as the real deal long term..., but rather he is having an unsustainably hot start.

My opinion has triggered many on Montreal. Like kicking a bee hive because I don't have special rose colored glasses that allow me to see it.

Maybe I'll eat crow. Maybe I won't. Bookmark my post if you want
 
Right now, I’d give Detroit the slight edge. I feel they have the clearly superior defense grouping and higher upside goalies while the Habs have a better group of forwards. Having a clear-cut upper tier 1D in Seider and what is increasingly appearing to be a 1B in Edvinsson are a clear edge.
 
I never said he was having a subpar 44 games so far to start his NHL career. I'm saying I don't see him as the real deal long term..., but rather he is having an unsustainably hot start.

My opinion has triggered many on Montreal. Like kicking a bee hive because I don't have special rose colored glasses that allow me to see it.

Maybe I'll eat crow. Maybe I won't. Bookmark my post if you want
No need to bookmark it! We all make bold proclamations. I've made a few in this thread alone.

Based on his play thus far (44 games) and his record setting performances throughout his NCAA career -- I will make my educated guess that he is the real deal long term and is having a sustainable hot start. In fact the hotness of his start has only increased. I predict that he will compete for the Norris in his career and possibly win one or two.

Maybe I'll eat crow. Maybe I won't. Bookmark my post if you want
 
Wings AINEC, Seider, Edvinsson, Raymond is a core that Habs don't have (yet). Cossa, Kasper (already a solid NHL player), Danielsson, B-N, Augustine and the diamond Sandin-Pellikka on the prospect pool. I LOVE Hutson, Demidov will be a solid player, Kapanen will be a decent 3rd liner, Mailloux is a pretender. And i think higher about Slaf than most, but to me this is EASILY wings.

Disclaimer: VERY BIG bias.
 
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No need to bookmark it! We all make bold proclamations. I've made a few in this thread alone.

Based on his play thus far (44 games) and his record setting performances throughout his NCAA career -- I will make my educated guess that he is the real deal long term and is having a sustainable hot start. In fact the hotness of his start has only increased. I predict that he will compete for the Norris in his career and possibly win one or two.

Maybe I'll eat crow. Maybe I won't. Bookmark my post if you want

Any DRW fan who whispered "future Norris winner" line got slammed by everyone the year Seider won Calder. And rightfully so! It's a bold prediction to say when your rookie is declared a "future Norris winner"" (especially after only 44 NHL games.)

Marco Kasper will win the Conn Smythe, win multiple Selkes, and a few Rocket Richard Trophies in his career because he is a defensive stud and has scored 6 points in 4 games! (Nice heater for a rookie, but doesn't that sound like a ridiculous prediction?) :sarcasm:

Yeah, yeah, NCAA career etc, etc...
Not buying into the hype. Sorry. My bet Hutson flames out, which is the most likely scenario.
 
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Wings AINEC, Seider, Edvinsson, Raymond is a core that Habs don't have (yet). Cossa, Kasper (already a solid NHL player), Danielsson, B-N, Augustine and the diamond Sandin-Pellikka on the prospect pool. I LOVE Hutson, Demidov will be a solid player, Kapanen will be a decent 3rd liner, Mailloux is a pretender. And i think higher about Slaf than most, but to me this is EASILY wings.

Disclaimer: VERY BIG bias.
We can sense that, yeah.

Detroit has the best defender, best forward (Pending how well Demidov pans out, and he'd have to pan out very well) and the best goalie prospect of the two teams lol.
I prefer Suzuki over Raymond. Centers are more valuable and theres what? A 3 points difference? Oh and he literally never ever misses a game. Even when the whole team caught covid he didnt even get it.
 
Wings AINEC, Seider, Edvinsson, Raymond is a core that Habs don't have (yet). Cossa, Kasper (already a solid NHL player), Danielsson, B-N, Augustine and the diamond Sandin-Pellikka on the prospect pool. I LOVE Hutson, Demidov will be a solid player, Kapanen will be a decent 3rd liner, Mailloux is a pretender. And i think higher about Slaf than most, but to me this is EASILY wings.

Disclaimer: VERY BIG bias.
The core the Habs don't have yet has a better record than the Wings while being younger
 
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I have never eaten a Hab, but I love wings, especially Buffalo Wings(but not Buffalo Wild Wings , they suck) and Buffalo Wings are red, so I gotta go wings here
 
Dunno that I'd call the Habs "Ahead" simply because their prospects are arriving faster. Especially considering Detroit is notorious for overcooking their prospects.

Larkin and Suzuki are pretty comparable quality-wise, with the Montreal advantage of Suzuki being a few years younger. Point Montreal for age, I guess. As players, they're very similar, though.

For size and style, you could compare Caufield and Debrincat, in which case currently you pretty easily take Caufield. Point to Montreal, there.

Detroit has Raymond, who has taken so many steps in the last year and a half that if you're Montreal, you're pretty happy if Demidov reaches his level. That's still a question mark. Rather easily point Detroit right now.

Defense wise, I'd take Detroit's trio of Seider/Edvinsson/ASP over Guhle/Hutson/Reinbacher, though it's somewhat of a weird comparison. Seider and Reinbacher are probably most comparable, but Seider is Detroit's most proven and Reinbacher hasn't really proven anything yet. Pretty much the same case with Hutson and ASP comparably, except Hutson is the proven one and ASP hasn't proven anything yet.

Where things get murky is that Detroit has a couple bigger name prospects with questionable offensive upside in Danielson and Kasper, while Montreal has some bigger name young players in the NHL already, who kinda aren't playing up to the level expected of them. (Slaf/Dach/Newhook) How all those guys progress going forward will probably tilt this.

As far as future goalies go, Cossa, Fowler, and Augustine are all solid prospects. At this point though, Cossa's the most proven at the highest level, and I'll take two shots over one when it comes to goalie prospects. Point Detroit.
Dobes is currently playing hero ball in the NHL for the Habs. I dunno if he's going to keep it up but he's definitely got a chair at this table. It's 2 for 2!
 
I prefer Suzuki over Raymond. Centers are more valuable and theres what? A 3 points difference? Oh and he literally never ever misses a game. Even when the whole team caught covid he didnt even get it.

I mean I can't blame a "Center over the winger" argument, but if we're doing that, Larkin and Suzuki are essentially the same player. Larkin ever so slightly better offensively over the last few years, but Suzuki obviously younger.
 
I mean I can't blame a "Center over the winger" argument, but if we're doing that, Larkin and Suzuki are essentially the same player. Larkin ever so slightly better offensively over the last few years, but Suzuki obviously younger.
Caufield is almost a ppg this year. Laine if healthy should also be close to a ppg. Demidov coming next year. I think next year Montreal's offense will suprise many. Age-wise, the stanley cup window looks brighter for montreal than detroit. But i really wouldnt mind detroit becoming one of the top teams. Its time to dethrone the leafs, the panthers and the bolts in the east :D
Im not sure how i managed to self quote my bad.
 

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