Habs have the better top end prospects, but it's a bit wild to say they have the better top end talent given the best defenseman and best forward on both teams is on Detroit.
Ya he's has 4 more points and is a -5 .Suzuki has 4 points less and is a
I’m ok with your analysis except the bolded.
Suzuki and Raymond equal each other offensively, while the edge defensively goes to Suzuki. What Raymond has currently on Suzuki is age. Raymond could be a better player than Suzuki in the future, but he isn’t close to it right now. It’s a tie.
Playing on the3rd, 4th line and 10-12 minutes a game. Hell he's 4 pts behind the teams lead while playing 5 minutes less a game. Now run along.
best forward and defenseman are almost a wash with the habs having demidov waiting. its closer than i originally though but it's still the habs
Huh? Nick Suzuki is on pace for 83 points and Raymond is on pace for 91, while being 3 years younger. On top of that, Dylan Larkin is also on the team, and is a much closer comparison to Suzuki - those two are essentially the same player.
If you talk about Demidov, you can dig deeper and see that everytime Demidov played more than 15min a game, his production
Larkin has 3 straight years at almost exactly PPG. That’s better than Suzuki has ever done until this year btw. Yes Larkin is older, but he was scoring at the same pace Suzuki is now at Suzukis age too. If you can’t see how they’re close, there’s not much discussion to be had.
I would take the group of Suzuki, Caufield, Laine and Slafkovsky going forward over Raymond, Larkin, Kasper and Debrincat. And this is without going into the Demidov discussion.
That’s fair and reasonable. Not really relevant to the discussion though.
If youre not aware that his coach purposely limited his play time for more than half those games to pressure him into signing a contract then you shouldnt comment. He has by far the highest p/60 of the league (something crazy like 1 more p/60 than the next best). Lately he's been finally playing on the first line and getting pp1 time, and what a surprise his pace is over 1.5 ppg. For anyone who actually knows what he is talking about, he is dominating the KHL.
It is relevant to the discussion since the topic of this thread is who do you take moving forward. Don’t know why there is a need to single out Raymond had a whole 4 points more than Suzuki for this debate, since the question is clearly about the group has a whole.
My post you responded to was about top end talent vs top end prospects. Detroit has the 2 best players on either team currently. Hence they have the best top end talent right now. Thats all I said.
Yeah a 8 points difference over 82 games is an immense difference. Theyre not in the same league. Not even in the same stratosphere.
Isnt it what this thread is all about?
Yes. I think Montreal has a better offensive group going forward if Demidov hits and I think Detroit has a better defense going forward if ASP hits. I believe that the gap between Detroits defense and Montreal’s defense will be higher than Montreals offense and Detroit’s offense, and so I take Detroit going forward overall.
Fair enough. Wish you guys good luck in the future years. I want the habs and the wings to take over the east. Theyre both well overdue.
Because he’s 22 so quite a bit younger, has more points, 5 more goals and using plus minus in 2025 is legit very dumb? He is definitely better, there’s not really an argument for otherwise.
Likewise. Tired of teams in f***ing Florida of all places being the good ones
Is anyone on the wings going to be better than Hutson and Demidov?
I mean Laine, Caufield and Suzuki are on par with Raymond.
