Toggle sidebar

Habs vs Sens

  • Work is still on-going to rebuild the site styling and features. Please report any issues you may experience so we can look into it. Click Here for Updates

Which organization is in better shape moving forward

  • Habs

  • Sens

  • Too close to call

Results are only viewable after voting.
Habs are playing themselves out of a high end pick. Not really a good thing long term in some ways. I did not care for the reinbacher pick at all but they clearly have a better prospect pool and I would suggest more upside due to age of young players (unless some of these guys on the sens are late bloomers).

Sens aren’t in a good place imo. It will be surprising to see them contend with this core. I could see them making the post season before the habs. Does that mean they have a better future? I think not. I feel like both teams need someone to put them over the top. An elite talent. Demidov could be that guy for the Habs. Not sure who for the sens.

Voted habs, it’s closer than a lot of people think though, judging from the posts.
 
  • Like
Reactions: HabzSauce
NikolaTesla said:
Yup no surprise there. I think sens fans are hanging on Stutzle's 90 points seasons. Both Suzuki and him are tracking for what? 83-84 points. Suzuki isn't all that far off from Stutz 90 points. But his defensive play is sounder. He might not be a diving gold medalist though :D
Click to expand...
What metric are you using to say his defense is better - just curious, not being combative.
 
Suzuki > Stützle or Tkachuck or whatever
Hutson > Sanderson
Monty < Ullmark
Mtl Prospects bank >> Ott Prospects bank
Mtl Front Office >> Ott Front Office

Montréal is also younger and can get free agents

Montréal is trending up, Ottawa is trending to Buffalo Land
 
Last edited:
  • Haha
  • Like
Reactions: SensFactor, xVolchenkov, Voight and 2 others
Crow said:
Habs are playing themselves out of a high end pick. Not really a good thing long term in some ways. I did not care for the reinbacher pick at all but they clearly have a better prospect pool and I would suggest more upside due to age of young players (unless some of these guys on the sens are late bloomers).

Sens aren’t in a good place imo. It will be surprising to see them contend with this core. I could see them making the post season before the habs. Does that mean they have a better future? I think not. I feel like both teams need someone to put them over the top. An elite talent. Demidov could be that guy for the Habs. Not sure who for the sens.

Voted habs, it’s closer than a lot of people think though, judging from the posts.
Click to expand...
With the way Hutson is playing and Demidov is developping I really don't think the Habs need another top pick to be successful. I'd rather see them start winning than have a loser culture.
 
Bouboumaster said:
Suzuki > Stützle or Tkachuck or whatever
Hutson > Sanderson
Monty < Ullmark
Mtl Prospects bank >> Ott Prospects bank
Mtl Front Office >> Ott Front Office

Montréal is also younger and can get free agents

Montréal is trending up, Ottawa is trending to Buffalo Land
Click to expand...
Every team can get free agents....
 
Bigtrout said:
With the way Hutson is playing and Demidov is developping I really don't think the Habs need another top pick to be successful. I'd rather see them start winning than have a loser culture.
Click to expand...

Unless Hutson or Demidov is moving to center, they may still want one with the way Dach and Newhook have regressed.
 
FriendlyGhost92 said:
Unless Hutson or Demidov is moving to center, they may still want one with the way Dach and Newhook have regressed.
Click to expand...
I think Michael Hage is an interesting factor. Covid, injuries and playing in the USHL made him a wishy washy 1st rounder. His play in the ncaa is pretty eye opening however . A revisit to that draft in 5 years will be interesting
 
  • Haha
Reactions: EveryDay
FriendlyGhost92 said:
Unless Hutson or Demidov is moving to center, they may still want one with the way Dach and Newhook have regressed.
Click to expand...
Suzuki is a fine 1C, he's not elite but he's top 20 maybe top 15 and still young. There's an off chance that Demidov switch to center but I won't bet on that, Michael Hage is also looking like a great pick so far with top 6 upside.

As for Dach, he struggled a ton in the first 30 games after missing an entire year but since the team started winning he's been fine, really.
 
The Last Red said:
Different issue and nothing to do with perceived “regression” of said player. To date, his injuries have been completely unrelated to each other so he could easily never get injured seriously again.
Click to expand...

I think I perceived his regression because of his 30 point pace.

My mistake. Vlad Tarasenko hasn't been a shitty signing for us in Detroit either. If his last two games are any indicator he's a 164 point player!
 
  • Haha
Reactions: Bileur
I have no fealty to either club, and to the extent I'd like to see one of them in the playoffs, I'd actually prefer if it were Montreal (for historic / nostalgic reasons only).

But I'd have a hard time not picking Ottawa in this poll. Where Montreal probably has an edge is in reinforcements, with plenty of picks / prospects that can make an impact to their roster down the road. I don't follow their prospects closely, though, which is probably why I slightly prefer the Senators.

I'd love to see a playoff series between these two.
 
  • Like
Reactions: SensFactor
EveryDay said:
So everywhere outside of wingers but only 1 whopping points ahead? Yeah ok.
Click to expand...

You’ll have to give the Sens fanbase some time to accept the new reality. I have tried to warn HF Sens about this but it didn’t go well as I got lambasted on the Sens board.

But for me, what is happening is not surprising at all and my narrative started in 2021 after probably the worst off-season that I ever witnessed from a NHL GM. I knew the Sens were in really big trouble with Pierre Dorion as its GM. It’s really simple, in my mind based on a lot of analysis, Dorion is the worst GM in NHL history, AINEC with even Milbury. All he did was basically dilapidating asset after asset. To understand this you have to know that in 2018 they started a rebuild with Erik Karlsson, Mark Stone, Matt Duchene and many other good players all in their PRIME. Plus had guys like Chabot, Batherson, etc in their prospect pool.

After the 2020 draft, they had the best future in the NHL by far, but the Dorion experiment continued and here we are today. The habs have a very good rebuild so far so not very surprising that they are in front of the Sens right now

All that said, it is still a bit in the air right now and a lot will depend on the new Sens GM and if he is able to pull more moves ala Ullmark; but one thing for sure in terms of prospects and picks, Montreal has a big advantage there
 
Last edited:
  • Like
Reactions: The Gr8 Dane, Samhockey3 and EveryDay
FriendlyGhost92 said:
I think I perceived his regression because of his 30 point pace.

My mistake. Vlad Tarasenko hasn't been a shitty signing for us in Detroit either. If his last two games are any indicator he's a 164 point player!
Click to expand...
I've seen informed opinions of Dach. Those are the ones that said to give him two/three months after missing last season. Sure enough, since late December, he's gone 6-1-7 in his last 9 games. He's looking good and on track.

I've also seen uninformed opinions on Dach. Those are the ones that think calculating the pace of his first games back is somehow relevant.
 
I don't think a team will be successful long-term if two of their top three players are 5'8 and 5'9. Or if their top three players are all under 6'0. That answers the question.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Ad

Latest posts

Ad

Upcoming events

Ad

Top Bottom