Value of: Habs prospects and picks

[Grinner]

by making a completely delusional statement? that's a bold strategy cotton.

Wilson is a unique player, to be sure, but your comment is disconnected from reality, or at least past transaction history for ohysical wingers with good, but not elite scoring ability.

What were the Habs supposedly going to give up for Knies?

 

[waitin425]

What were the Habs supposedly going to give up for Knies?

Zharovsky ++

 

[Grinner]

Zharovsky ++

A couple of 1sts abd another prospect?

 

[waitin425]

A couple of 1sts abd another prospect?

yup

 

[glenbuis2]

The irony.

I would not trade Fowler for Wilson 1 for 1.

Among all our remaining prospects (including Hage and Zharovsky), Fowler is at the top of the list. He's a star goalie that won at every level. He will in the NHL too. The opposite would be the surprise.

Kapanen is likely to be a 3C, but after players like Lehkonen, Sergachev, McDonagh, etc., players that looked like they'd always be middling in the NHL, I wanna be cautious.

Pickford had a record season, but it was junior. It'd be nice to see what he can do at the pro level before deciding to trade him or not.

Also, lots of shit talking coming from you. Jealous the Habs have a much larger bank of promising prospects?

that’s the immediate impression i got . the oilers have no picks or prospects to fix any of the messes they have accumulated . sad really .

 

[glenbuis2]

If you want a #2C the conversation would have to include Demidov or Slaf at the very least or its a no go

Nobody is giving up a #2C for a bunch of maybes

we’re looking for a 2c , not a 1c

 

[Checkmate17]

If you want a #2C the conversation would have to include Demidov or Slaf at the very least or its a no go

Nobody is giving up a #2C for a bunch of maybes

These 2 are for a 1C not a 2C

 

[glenbuis2]

You notice how everyone that’s not a Habs fan is telling you that your pile of B+ assets isn’t enough to pull a 2C?

Maybe listen.

Edmonton has been contending far longer than Montreal has. Low firsts aren’t worth much. Neither are goalie prospects. The WHL isn’t what it used to be with so much talent heading for the NCAA.

I said earlier this same thread that I thought Kapanen and a 1st was a decent offer for a guy like McTavish. Guess what Ducks fans said? Thanks, not interested.

it’s not montreal fans problem that you got your panties in a knot over our vast resources . the oilers would like to correct some bone head mistakes that your gms have done ( jarry , nurse for example ) but yous have absolutely nothing to work with . it’s a shame because yous have 2 of the top 10 players on the planet and your wasting them .
perhaps if you stopped looking over the fence into our yard you may not get yourself worked up as much .

 

[glenbuis2]

I'm 100% trying Kapanen again before making a massive overpayment for a 2C.
I'd try to add a winger to pair with Suzuki and Caufield and bring back Slaf with Demidov and Kapanen.

i would do the same but newhook would be my guy between slaf and demidov .

 

[Checkmate17]

Kapanen is already better the Lekhonen was,, by far.

Kapanen will have a 10 years career in the NHL easily.

Capable of playing shut down line or being a high end 3C

 

[Checkmate17]

Fowler will be a top 10 NHL goalie for the next decade..
Saying he does not hold much value is crazy.

He is the main piece in that list.

I would trade Dobes before Fowler 100%

 

[dgibb10]

Kapanen is already better the Lekhonen was,, by far.

Kapanen will have a 10 years career in the NHL easily.

Capable of playing shut down line or being a high end 3C

Lehkonen in his last year in MTL had by far the best on ice results on the team, while having not very favourable usage.

Kapanen this year had by far the worst on ice results on the team, while having the most favourable deployment

 

[Habs Halifax]

It would be smart to try and find a sucker to buy in on Kapanen

Kapanen did well as a rookie. I'm not saying he's going to turn into a star but man, why are fans holding this kid back when he has made development gains season after season since being drafted.

Just because he is not a real 2C that turns the contender needle, it don't mean he sucks and is not worth much.

Middle ground is required here. No deflating lows and no pumping highs. Fans need to learn this on these boards

 

[Habs Halifax]

Lehkonen in his last year in MTL had by far the best on ice results on the team, while having not very favourable usage.

Kapanen this year had by far the worst on ice results on the team, while having the most favourable deployment

This one goes out to those "expert" Habs fans who come here all the time and spit their mouth off... I'm going to say 50% or close to that were calling Lehkonon some bottom 6 bum (before the trade). Those same posters were calling Dvorak, Anderson, Evans, etc trash for the last season or two as well. Just goes to show what they really know

Yeah, you guys know who you are!

Kapanen is on a good track. Modest development gains season after season since his draft year. Kind of reminds me of Evan's track but they are not the same stye. More comparing to their growth

"The worse on ice results on the team" Come on man, don't use exaggeration to prove your context. It's weak

 

[Natey]

Kapanen is already better the Lekhonen was,, by far.

Kapanen will have a 10 years career in the NHL easily.

Capable of playing shut down line or being a high end 3C

What?

This is really really just a terrible take.

 

[Galaxydoggystyle]

This one goes out to those "expert" Habs fans who come here all the time and spit their mouth off... I'm going to say 50% or close to that were calling Lehkonon some bottom 6 bum (before the trade). Those same posters were calling Dvorak, Anderson, Evans, etc trash for the last season or two as well. Just goes to show what they really know

Yeah, you guys know who you are!

Kapanen is on a good track. Modest development gains season after season since his draft year. Kind of reminds me of Evan's track but they are not the same stye. More comparing to their growth

"The worse on ice results on the team" Come on man, don't use exaggeration to prove your context. It's weak

Pot meet kettle.

 

[dgibb10]

This one goes out to those "expert" Habs fans who come here all the time and spit their mouth off... I'm going to say 50% or close to that were calling Lehkonon some bottom 6 bum (before the trade). Those same posters were calling Dvorak, Anderson, Evans, etc trash for the last season or two as well. Just goes to show what they really know

Yeah, you guys know who you are!

Kapanen is on a good track. Modest development gains season after season since his draft year. Kind of reminds me of Evan's track but they are not the same stye. More comparing to their growth

"The worse on ice results on the team" Come on man, don't use exaggeration to prove your context. It's weak

The worst shot share, the worst shot attempt share, the worst expected goals share of any forward on the team. Despite getting the heaviest offensive deployment

Shooting luck, goaltending, and riding the coattails of demidov is hiding an ineffective player.

Those numbers away from demidov are truly hideous.


As I said. He sucks. If you can find some sucker GM who gets tricked by the box score numbers, you move him out asap

 

[Habs Halifax]

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The worst shot share, the worst shot attempt share, the worst expected goals share of any forward on the team. Despite getting the heaviest offensive deployment

Shooting luck, goaltending, and riding the coattails of demidov is hiding an ineffective player. View attachment 1255440
Those numbers away from demidov are truly hideous.


As I said. He sucks. If you can find some sucker GM who gets tricked by the box score numbers, you move him out asap

A rookie that has middle 6 potential and you are evaluating him like he is a vet. Pretty sure you can do this for loads of rookies in the past.

Kapanen is not trash. Keep trying. He has value but it's not high or low. You are obsessively trying to lower his low.

At the end of the day, if he is moved, it's in a package with other higher value futures. This is basically a non story but you go ahead and dwell on your devalue narrative

 

[dgibb10]

A rookie that has middle 6 potential and you are evaluating him like he is a vet. Pretty sure you can do this for loads of rookies in the past.

Kapanen is not trash. Keep trying.

Among his forwards from the 2021 draft class Kapanen ranked dead last in the relative to teammate metrics by a fairly significant margin.

If you prefer I can ignore his NHL results and just value him as a late 2nd rounder based on his draft pedigree

 

[Habs Halifax]

Pot meet kettle.

Bold take from the past hits a wall and loud mouths need to hear it

 

[Empoleon8771]

Just out of curiosity, would Habs fans do Kapanen to Vegas for Karlsson? Gives Montreal a veteran cup caliber 2C while it saves Vegas a good amount of money while getting a replacement top-9 center back.

 

[glenbuis2]

Just out of curiosity, would Habs fans do Kapanen to Vegas for Karlsson? Gives Montreal a veteran cup caliber 2C while it saves Vegas a good amount of money while getting a replacement top-9 center back.

it’s not a totally bad idea and it has merit for sure . i think i’d sooner go with the 25 yr old newhook in that spot instead . karlsson has had some injuries , will be paid 3 million more and giving away kapanen for whatever improvement karlsson will be over newhook just doesn’t seem to add up .!

 

[Captain Mountain]

Just out of curiosity, would Habs fans do Kapanen to Vegas for Karlsson? Gives Montreal a veteran cup caliber 2C while it saves Vegas a good amount of money while getting a replacement top-9 center back.

I wouldn't. He missed most of this season, almost half of last season and just had wrist surgery. For a guy a decade younger on an ELC? Maybe if he was healthier, but Montreal's done the C that's never healthy thing and it doesn't really work.

People can criticize Kapanen's impacts, but he's young enough and shown enough in specific areas (outside of his shooting %) to keep him unless the deal makes sense.

 

[Xirik]

People wouldn't trade Fowler for Wilson?

Really?

 

[glenbuis2]

People wouldn't trade Fowler for Wilson?

Really?

well as much as i would love to have wilson there’s quite a bit to consider here . wilson is 32 and plays a very rugged game . im thinking 2-3 yrs of good hockey left before the inevitable falling off a cliff .
now fowler could very well be the real deal . he is without question a top 5 goalie prospect . he has all the traits to be a no1 starter for a very long time . and a good one to .
i really believe that the habs are 12-24 months away from there window being seriously opened so considering everything i would not trade fowler for wilson . i may be in the minority but it shouldn’t be overly surprising .