Post-Game Talk: Habs lose to Tampa in the first period

[ReHabs]

No offense but reading this post made me think of, remember that time posters tried to tell the board that Hab fans can withstand a rebuild. Boy were they wrong.

It would help if the Habs didn’t pick the 1OA who is now the worst trending 1OA in over two decades with the first year rebuild pick and didn’t skip over the (statistically) incredible Kucherov-like prospect with the second year rebuild pick.

Call me crazy but I think that might have something to do with it.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

He’s a finesse player in a banger’s body.

Like a bear ballerina

 

[HuGort]

No offense but reading this post made me think of, remember that time posters tried to tell the board that Hab fans can withstand a rebuild. Boy were they wrong.

Why previous regimes didn't want rebuild. That and the pressure young players face here. More draftees would fail than other cities. If we can get core player under 25 with this pick probably best to trade it.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

If a new school coach like MSL has not worked, I say bring in a meat and potato coach to coach the team. Hartley would be fine. There are things guys have learned with trials by errors for decades of coaching that new coaches like Marty don't know when the goings gets tough.

How has MSL not worked? Apart from Slaf (who I think we’ve mismanaged) our younger players are developing well.

Ah i see , you think The ship of Theseus paradox will work to rebuild !

I think you never met a pot you didn’t like to stir.

You screamed for a rebuild. Here it is. Now drink your medicine.

The pp can be better

With this club? Who’s our QB? We don’t really have one.

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i don’t count dach at all now. Hel be a bonus if he plays. Habs need to plan assuming he will not be there.

Agree that it’s a bad injury and we should be cautious. But I wouldn’t write him off. Regardless, he progressed really well under MSL and at this stage is a good example of a player progressing under his coaching.

Dead horses be damned, Anderson needs to sit. 29 years old and 500+ reg/playoff games under his belt, the guy isn’t making the simplest plays on any part of the ice. His lack of output this season goes so far beyond the old “wish we could get just a little bit more out of him!” we knew we were getting when he signed. Give Newhook a shot somewhere else

Anderson can move down in the lineup until he finds his game.

 

[Jaynki]

It would help if the Habs didn’t pick the 1OA who is now the worst trending 1OA in over two decades with the first year rebuild pick and didn’t skip over the (statistically) incredible Kucherov-like prospect with the second year rebuild pick.

Call me crazy but I think that might have something to do with it.

Its just further proof that fans dont have the necessary patience for the rebuild and that they have irrealist expectations for prospects and draft pick.

Apart from the Bedard and McDavid that requires extreme luck, its always a long and painful process. Its an extremely high price to pay to suck a full season for a 4-7OV pick, even for a 25% chance at 1st OV.

 

[hvac412]

Serious lack of talent and there is no hope in sight

For both the team and coaching staff I get the rebuild but the fans don't deserve a coaching development experiment during the process.

 

[morhilane]

Habs started scoring after I stopped watching the game. So there is that. Still too little, too late.

Habs really need to work on dealing with heavy forechecks. Teams got the Habs number now by just doing that and the Habs just looks like everything goes too fast for team when it happens.

I feel like there is a coaching issue ( or a captain/assistant one) as well: the team is never ready to start the game. It's the polar opposite of the time where they stopped paying after the 2nd period (sometimes the 1st) a few years ago.

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

It would help if the Habs didn’t pick the 1OA who is now the worst trending 1OA in over two decades with the first year rebuild pick and didn’t skip over the (statistically) incredible Kucherov-like prospect with the second year rebuild pick.

Call me crazy but I think that might have something to do with it.

Yeah well that's why we have to keep tanking dude its not rocket science

 

[larek]

No offense but reading this post made me think of, remember that time posters tried to tell the board that Hab fans can withstand a rebuild. Boy were they wrong.

Definately most of the fan have been.payient and will be
But doesn't mean you can't criticize bad play
I've notice some backstops on alot of the players on the team

 

[ReHabs]

Its just further proof that fans dont have the necessary patience for the rebuild and that they have irrealist expectations for prospects and draft pick.

Apart from the Bedard and McDavid that requires extreme luck, its always a long and painful process. Its an extremely high price to pay to suck a full season for a 4-7OV pick, even for a 25% chance at 1st OV.

I think preaching patience and then making arrogant gambles is not conducive to earning additional patience.

If our 1OA player trended better fans would be more relieved and relaxed.

Yeah well that's why we have to keep tanking dude its not rocket science

Keep tanking and losing. Keep yelling at other fans who just want to see a good hockey team. Keep not icing an exciting or even talented team. One day it’ll allllll be worth it!

 

[cave troll]

Its just further proof that fans dont have the necessary patience for the rebuild and that they have irrealist expectations for prospects and draft pick.

Apart from the Bedard and McDavid that requires extreme luck, its always a long and painful process. Its an extremely high price to pay to suck a full season for a 4-7OV pick, even for a 25% chance at 1st OV.

Sure dude.
We all watched 1OA forwards struggling big time and having trouble to adapt to NHL.
Ovechkin scored only 52 goals when he joined NHL. Corsby scored only 39 golad in his rookie season. Kane managed to score only 21 goals. Stamkos only 23. Tavares only 24.Hall scored lousy 22. Bust Yak struggled with 17 goals in 41 games. MacKinnon 24 goals. Matthews only 40 goals. Hirschier only 20.

It's a loooong and painful process for an 1OA forward to start producing on NHL level. Those mentioned above proved that. They were all lost in time in space like Slaf is when they joined the NHL.
Only McJesus and Bedard managed to have an impact when they joined. Isn't it?

 

[Conflicted Habs fan]

I blame Celine Dion! Since schmoozing with our team in Las Vegas we've been cursed!

 

[Jaynki]

I think preaching patience and then making arrogant gambles is not conducive to earning additional patience.

If our 1OA player trended better fans would be more relieved and relaxed.

I won't counter argue any single point as its been done times and times but i will simply reiterate that its way too soon to think things like arrogant gambles. The trend of our 1OA, after 50 games might be nothing more than misleading right now, especially since we can appreciate growth in his game although it don't translate to offensive production yet. Its bound to change on a dime. If it don't evolve positively i will agree. Still 70 games remaining in his D+2.

And although i would like and expect a 1st OV pick to already be a productive player in his D+2, a real fair chance would be to wait until the end of his D+3.

Keep tanking and losing. Keep yelling at other fans who just want to see a good hockey team. Keep not icing an exciting or even talented team. One day it’ll allllll be worth it!

This i agree 100%.

Sure dude.
We all watched 1OA forwards struggling big time and having trouble to adapt to NHL.
Ovechkin scored only 52 goals when he joined NHL. Corsby scored only 39 golad in his rookie season. Kane managed to score only 21 goals. Stamkos only 23. Tavares only 24.Hall scored lousy 22. Bust Yak struggled with 17 goals in 41 games. MacKinnon 24 goals. Matthews only 40 goals. Hirschier only 20.

It's a loooong and painful process for an 1OA forward to start producing on NHL level. Those mentioned above proved that. They were all lost in time in space like Slaf is when they joined the NHL.
Only McJesus and Bedard managed to have an impact when they joined. Isn't it?

Nah, 50 games is not long nor painful, sorry.

We just have different perception dude. The fact that Yakupov was that good at 18, and Galchenyuk too versus the likes of Draisaitl, Thornton, Lecavalier, Hughes should tell you everything you need to know about how much weight we should give to those first games in a whole career.

Where you see a project, I see a player with unlimited physical capabilities who is already abnormally big, fast and powerful. Where you see a player that is lost, i see a player that is rapidly evolving his understanding of the game and already has good two way abilities. Where you see a bust, i see a big man with a soft pair of mitts who has increasingly more offensive chances. Where you see a player who will stagnate and amount to nothing, i see a player who is just entering his window of maximum growth and who should evolve in an exponential, parabolic manner.

At this point, we can only debate and repeat the same point, i doubt any of us will change his position.

It will be fun to re-visit this debate in a few months. If i happen to be right, great for the future of our franchise, i you happen to be right, i will gladly yell for the firing of Bobrov and Hugo, good enough?

I would just like to reiterate that following yesterdays debacle, i double down my position on Slaf. I think he is rapidly emerging and he is looking more and more like the player i witnessed at the world cup.

 

[SlyIslands]

Fans say they want a rebuild but they can't handle one. They will then throw excuses like yeah I want a rebuild but the team needs to win also. Why don't they draft McDavid each year? I wanted a rebuild but maybe for 10 games

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Fans say they want a rebuild but they can't handle one. They will then throw excuses like yeah I want a rebuild but the team needs to win also. Why don't they draft McDavid each year? I wanted a rebuild but maybe for 10 games

Pretty much.

 

[Guillermo]

Matheson was completely lost most of the night.... that's not good

I would put Guhle on the 1st PP.

I don't think it's as much floating as it is him reading/anticipating plays and ensuring he's in position. If you notice, he actually seems to be in the right places in good time. It's a timing thing. And because he's so big and has a big stride, it's easy to think he's floating. At least that's how it appears to me.

As far as the physical side goes, it's not really his game. I do like that he's starting to stake ground in front of the net. Was a fraction away from scoring that way with a really nice display of hands and poise. And that quick stick to break-up that sure breakaway saucer pass to Kucherov was beautiful. I agree, patience. Baby steps. I truly believe he's well on his way to find his way. Once he is fully adjusted timing-wise, look out. He plays an anticipation game.

I feel like when he skates with the puck in the offensive zone, he makes good plays using his stick and size! I also feel like he knows what to do with the puck before it gets on his stick, to the point where I would prefer that he keeps it a bit longer some times to give an opportunity for his teammates to position themselves. Mon analyse à 2 cennes!

 

[Habs Icing]

I watched all the games so far this year except for the ones on the West Coast.

I think MSL should go back to some form of traditional hockey. His "concepts" are just not working. The only reason we had a decent record after the first 7 games is because our goalies played above their grade. Now, that they've returned to their level, we're seeing all the flaws in MSL's organization of the team. I haven't looked at any stats but my feeling is this team is in the top 5 with giving up the most odd men rushes and breakaways. Also when caught in our own zone our defensemen are outnumbered around our own freaking net.

The Hab players look like chickens with their heads cut off. Matheson is a perfect example of this. He's all over the ice being totally ineffective. This is a player if placed on a team with a traditional system would be an excellent defenseman. Within MSL's concept hockey he looks like a total screw-up.

 

[sampollock]

missed the game... seems like they got man handled. we can't expect much this year. keep on building Kent

I watched all the games so far this year except for the ones on the West Coast.

I think MSL should go back to some form of traditional hockey. His "concepts" are just not working. The only reason we had a decent record after the first 7 games is because our goalies played above their grade. Now, that they've returned to their level, we're seeing all the flaws in MSL's organization of the team. I haven't looked at any stats but my feeling is this team is in the top 5 with giving up the most odd men rushes and breakaways. Also when caught in our own zone our defensemen are outnumbered around our own freaking net.

The Hab players look like chickens with their heads cut off. Matheson is a perfect example of this. He's all over the ice being totally ineffective. This is a player if placed on a team with a traditional system would be an excellent defenseman. Within MSL's concept hockey he looks like a total screw-up.

let's be honest. MSL is a rookie coach. going up against Cooper who is a pro is tough. maybe that is it, not sure

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

I think preaching patience and then making arrogant gambles is not conducive to earning additional patience.

If our 1OA player trended better fans would be more relieved and relaxed.


Keep tanking and losing. Keep yelling at other fans who just want to see a good hockey team. Keep not icing an exciting or even talented team. One day it’ll allllll be worth it!

Bro I watched the DD Pacio era for like 10 years tanking is nothing to me , people around here are so weak

 

[nhlfan9191]

Fans say they want a rebuild but they can't handle one. They will then throw excuses like yeah I want a rebuild but the team needs to win also. Why don't they draft McDavid each year? I wanted a rebuild but maybe for 10 games

To be fair to the people that complain, this team comes out of the gate strong just to tease them. This is the second year they’ve done that. If you don’t have realistic expectations, it’s easy to be fooled.

 

[SlyIslands]

To be fair to the people that complain, this team comes out of the gate strong just to tease them. This is the second year they’ve done that. If you don’t have realistic expectations, it’s easy to be fooled.

Yes but at the same time, if you want a rebuild you can't be happy with a team doing great.

You can't have a competitive losing team because those teams win games.

 

[windycity]

Team misses Dach big time

 

[beowulf]

Wondering if those that liked the Anderson trade and contract still feel that way...

 

[CHwest]

No offense but reading this post made me think of, remember that time posters tried to tell the board that Hab fans can withstand a rebuild. Boy were they wrong.

I was one of them, boy were we wrong. Cannot believe that people just assume whatever players we get should just be better than the rest of the league or that they can just be picked up anywhere. It has been proven over and over again to get better you must draft better, to draft better you must suck for a while. And yet we whine..... Plus the internet gives us access to every other whiner and pretty soon we have an unfulfilling circle jerk.

 

[LaP]

I watched all the games so far this year except for the ones on the West Coast.

I think MSL should go back to some form of traditional hockey. His "concepts" are just not working. The only reason we had a decent record after the first 7 games is because our goalies played above their grade. Now, that they've returned to their level, we're seeing all the flaws in MSL's organization of the team. I haven't looked at any stats but my feeling is this team is in the top 5 with giving up the most odd men rushes and breakaways. Also when caught in our own zone our defensemen are outnumbered around our own freaking net.

The Hab players look like chickens with their heads cut off. Matheson is a perfect example of this. He's all over the ice being totally ineffective. This is a player if placed on a team with a traditional system would be an excellent defenseman. Within MSL's concept hockey he looks like a total screw-up.

To be fair no coaching can cover for yesterday farts in the net. I mean two goals were peewee level bad. And this is fine they are not trying to win yet. This is the wise move we have almost 20 millions tied to Gallagher, Josh Anderson, Yoel Armia and Christian Dvorak. We have 10.5 millions on LTIR. The focus should still be to ship the bad contracts away.