Post-Game Talk: Habs lose to Canucks.

[le_sean]

Michkov is going to be good so what. He's not with us. Reinbacher is. If we keep dwelling on it, we'll never be able to win and let our guys develop. We need to accept our decisions and move on

Michkov is great

…in a league where Wideman won best defenceman a couple years back.

I don't think even Hughes predicts Reinbacher to be a 1D, based on what he said in draft interviews.

Hughes was tempering expectations. Reinbacher absolutely has the tools and hockey sense to be a 1D. Look at Guhle who everyone thought was just going to be a defensive second pairing type. When you skate as well as they do, understand the game at their level and are aggressive in wanting to make plays, you have a very high ceiling.

 

[salbutera]

You can have Pietrangelo, I’ll take Crosby.

Too bad Sid wasn’t available @ Habs pick

 

[NORiculous]

Too bad Sid wasn’t available @ Habs pick

Nice. Was Pietrangelo available??? Would you have been happy had I said Ovechkin?

 

[Naslundforever]

Michkov is going to be good so what. He's not with us. Reinbacher is. If we keep dwelling on it, we'll never be able to win and let our guys develop. We need to accept our decisions and move on

Yes. I am so bored with the shoulda woulda why didn’t they chat… A draft from 2 summers ago that won’t die and now a D vs winger, neither in the nhl... With no determined outcome for a long time still…

Kopitar. They shoulda chosen Kopitar.

Go habs

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

Because cole needs a true set up man. His skills are good enough alone to put up some points but he’s frustrated as a hockey player, he’s not used to not having superior teammates to him to help him finish his plays. And hes not used to the competition being so difficult as a small guy. He’s still young too..

58 goals

Unassisted 7

Suzuki 22
Dach 7
Wideman 6
Petry 5
Hoffman 5
Drouin 4
Ghule 4
Harris 4
Matheson 3
Savard 3
Monahan 3
Anderson 3
Edmundson 3
Pitlick 2
Armia 2
Gallagher 2
Dvorak 2
Toffoli 1
Poehling 1
Kovacevic 1
Evans 1
Perry 1
Staal 1

This tells a different story.

IMO, the main reason we notice a change with Caufield has less to do with who he plays with and a lot more to do with what he's asked to work on.

And he might just be off because of his surgery. Muscle memory might've been affected and might take time to get back. His shooting % is uncharacteristically low.

 

[morhilane]

Our problem, as always, is outside of a couple of guys we can’t score goals.

That's because the team can't create space and time to improve/increase their shooting chances, so shots get deflected, miss the net or they lose the puck without attempting a shot. As long as they can't keep pressure in the ozone and make space and time to take lots of quality shots, they won't score goals.

The Dvorak's line is the most threatening offensively right now, yet they don't have a goal (well they had one, but CC had to cheat at the blue line again). Dvorak is doing a good job at opening space for his wingers (a lots of it start with the transition). He doesn't have any creativity offensively, but he is effective in his role so far. Now Slaf has to learn to be more effective with his puck touches and CC needs to stop running into traffic to test shooting with 3 sticks on him.

 

[SwiftyHab]

Are the hockey blades attached with velcro?

 

[The Real Timo]

I’ve never heard of that high of a ceiling for the kid. Even Kent said he was a 2nd pairing dman. When was he compared to a great dman like AP?

Probably when MIchkov started to light it up in KHL and Habs needed to justify passing on him. Boy I hope he develops in to top pairing D. Habs have 2 1/2 D now that are worth keeping long term.

 

[Runner77]

We need voodoo dark magic juju to fix Andy

They engaged in this ritual but somehow, it didn’t work.

 

[salbutera]

Nice. Was Pietrangelo available??? Would you have been happy had I said Ovechkin?

We don’t know yet if Orville Redenbacher is capable of that minute eating 1D role @ NHL level… that’s the whole point. Will he be that Seider type pick?

With Datsyuk & Zetterberg generating high end offense, and former being a perennially Selke candidate, it still wasn’t enough for Det to overcome Lidstrom loss upon retirement.

Common denominator for 95% of recent Cup winners ….that 1D

 

[Aces on the road]

RHP - Suzuki - Anderson is worth trying again, even if it means pushing Newhook to the 3rd or even 4th line while the vets stay together.

RHP - Suzuki - Anderson
Slaf - Dvo - Caufield
Pearson - Monahan - Gallagher
Newhook - Evans - Ylonen/Pez

Only Anderson suck, 0+2

 

[schwang26]

Allen is the one we should trade. But obviously the minute we do, one of our goalies will get hurt.

His value is steadily declining

 

[NORiculous]

We don’t know yet if Orville Redenbacher is capable of that minute eating 1D role @ NHL level…

No we don’t. But Hughes said his upside was a 2nd D… so that is what the discussion was about.

 

[BLONG7]

Honestly being there live, it was a closer game than the scoreboard shows.

Both teams looked tired as well.

Slafkovsky was easily the best player on the ice, I'd wager Newhook and Pearson played well too.


Well let one of them complain and get rid of that one. None of them are good enough to be complaining. But none of them are bad enough to not get chances.

Only a matter of time, and one of them will say something about not getting enough TOI to get in a groove etc
He needs to make a trade very soon...

 

[Gillings]

58 goals

Unassisted 7

Suzuki 22
Dach 7
Wideman 6
Petry 5
Hoffman 5
Drouin 4
Ghule 4
Harris 4
Matheson 3
Savard 3
Monahan 3
Anderson 3
Edmundson 3
Pitlick 2
Armia 2
Gallagher 2
Dvorak 2
Toffoli 1
Poehling 1
Kovacevic 1
Evans 1
Perry 1
Staal 1

This tells a different story.

IMO, the main reason we notice a change with Caufield has less to do with who he plays with and a lot more to do with what he's asked to work on.

And he might just be off because of his surgery. Muscle memory might've been affected and might take time to get back. His shooting % is uncharacteristically low.

Well it’s not like he can’t finish, we know he can, but it would be a lot different had he have a consistent elite play maker like Hughes etc.. he does look uncharacteristically off though.

 

[26Mats]

Only Anderson suck, 0+2

Check his stats from last year playing with Suzie and RHP. They're not 0+2.

 

[montreal]

What's with us and all these broken skate blades?

Beck lost his blade last night, was trying to crawl across the ice to get to the bench.

 

[Aces on the road]

Check his stats from last year playing with Suzie and RHP. They're not 0+2.

He does not deserve time with Suzy.

 

[26Mats]

He does not deserve time with Suzy.

I just want him with RHP.

I was the biggest Anderson hatter before last season. I couldn't stand his low IQ.

But he produced last year after RHP was called up. RHP brings energy and hockey IQ, but lacks size and elite IQ. Anderson has size and speed, and when he plays with Gallagher or RHP, their fight run off on him.

Why has MSL separated RHP and Anderson after they were so good together???? Anderson scored at a pace of 32 goals and 55 points after RHP was called up.

 

[morhilane]

Dolphinllager!

 

[JianYang]

We don’t know yet if Orville Redenbacher is capable of that minute eating 1D role @ NHL level… that’s the whole point. Will he be that Seider type pick?

With Datsyuk & Zetterberg generating high end offense, and former being a perennially Selke candidate, it still wasn’t enough for Det to overcome Lidstrom loss upon retirement.

Common denominator for 95% of recent Cup winners ….that 1D

Zetterberg and Datsyuk we 31 and 34 years of age respectively when Lidstrom retired. The Detroit machine was getting close to the end regardless.

Often, you need both a high end #1dman and at least 1 high end center to win cups.

 

[salbutera]

Zetterberg and Datsyuk we 31 and 34 years of age respectively when Lidstrom retired. The Detroit machine was getting close to the end regardless.

Often, you need both a high end #1dman and at least 1 high end center to win cups.

In the cap era I can only recall one team as not having a true 1D to have won the Cup (Canes in year 1 of cap era), and 2-to have won a Cup without high end C (if defined as PPG) - Bruins and STL

 

[JianYang]

In the cap era I can only recall one team as not having a true 1D to have won the Cup (Canes in year 1 of cap era), and 2-to have won a Cup without high end C (if defined as PPG) - Bruins and STL

Off the top of my head, I'd also include the the penguins as a team that won without a prominent #1D that year where Letang went down.

I still consider Boston to have had a high end center in Bergeron. He's an automatic hall of famer, and one of the best 200 ft guys to ever play the game. The thing with Bergeron is that he definitely had the skill and ability to put up more points, but he took pride in being the responsible player that put the team first.

O'Reilly is along the same mold as bergeron but more borderline with respect to being a high end guy. For a moment in time, you could probably make the argument he was one of the better centers in the game.... It just wouldn't fully be encapsulated in goals and assists.

In the post cap era, the one example off the top of my head for winning without a high #1C was Anaheim. MacDonald had a great offensive year, but he really wasn't a high end guy in general. Getzlaf was there but still very young.

 

[Guess]

Michkov is great

…in a league where Wideman won best defenceman a couple years back.


Hughes was tempering expectations. Reinbacher absolutely has the tools and hockey sense to be a 1D. Look at Guhle who everyone thought was just going to be a defensive second pairing type. When you skate as well as they do, understand the game at their level and are aggressive in wanting to make plays, you have a very high ceiling.

The defensive side is there, the offense hasn't shown itself but it is possible, let's hope for the best.

 

[Skip Bayless]

Dolphinllager!

Why isn't there a stoppage of play in cases like these?