GDT: Habs @ Leafs - 7pm

[Shooter2x]

I guarantee if Dubas had produced 1 Liljegren in 3 years, you would hate it.

You're not really understanding anything i said if this is your response, but if you want to get petty, Liljegren mops the floor with anything Dubas produced in the last 3 years as of today .

If Knies play ends up hitting his hype level, then I'd happily take 1 Knies every 3 years over the current group fighting for a spot. Context being the core is already built through rebuild years, which is our reality.

 

[therealkoho]

Robertson, the problem is twofold, high expectations from most because of the dream season with the Petes, he needs more time to grow into the game that will allow him to be successful. As of right now he's a one trick pony, and the opposition knows it. He needs to find another facet to his game and generally just play smarter. Add that to that shot he has, and you might have yourself a 30 goal guy.

Alex Steeves as our good friend has already said, "just gets it," and if that means out thinking and out working the opponent to find success then yes he does. He plays a smart 200 foot game, he never abandons the game plan for any selfish offensive reasons. He's tidy in his own end and only leaves it when the puck is coming up ice with him. He is always working toward team success. He just seems like a solid citizen who'll do the job you ask him to do the way its supposed to be done.

Jarnkrok, 4 years eh! He's a multi tool kind of guy who's a real hard worker but works smarter than he works hard. Yep 4 years!

Should the Leafs just give the "G" to Willie now to put on his left shoulder, because that assist on the Steeves goal and generally speaking his play so far in the preseason has been in god mode.

 

[therealkoho]

Liljeren was a 13th overall pick. I think @The Podium is talking more about the later round guys that come up and fill holes.

17th FYI

 

[Shooter2x]

So you would choose to miss the playoffs every year? Because the only hits Hunter had were the lotto range picks when we missed the playoffs.

Where did I say that?

Our core is built. It's a fact 2/3 of our bottom 6 is guaranteed to be UFA next season. Bunting was a UFA. We're not even dipping into trade routes, euro signings, free wallets etc etc other possible ways to get depth and players.

Now add 1 impact player every 3 years to our current setup and tell me the results? Hunter did enough to not turn this into a hate fest thread. We have no idea how he'd have drafted here after his Lil win either so why make up a fake world where he stayed and continued to get zero hits late.

Don't waste my time with nonsense takes this early in the morning man. You must think I'm crazy to believe you would give up one Lil every 3 years added to our current core just to have this apparently massive display of internal competition where you'd be lucky more than 1 makes the team when fully healthy. (And I'm not bashing Dubas here, I just don't see how this internal competition currently going on shows how bad Hunter was for us. Hence why I switched from Lil to a fake world breakout Knies to better get across what I'm saying)

 

[Tufted Titmouse]

Where did I say that?

Our core is built. It's a fact 2/3 of our bottom 6 is guaranteed to be UFA next season. Bunting was a UFA. We're not even dipping into trade routes, euro signings, free wallets etc etc other possible ways to get depth and players.

Now add 1 impact player every 3 years to our current setup and tell me the results? Hunter did enough to not turn this into a hate fest thread. We have no idea how he'd have drafted here after his Lil win either so why make up a fake world where he stayed and continued to get zero hits late.

Don't waste my time with nonsense takes this early in the morning man. You must think I'm crazy to believe you would give up one Lil every 3 years added to our current core just to have this apparently massive display of internal competition where you'd be lucky more than 1 makes the team when fully healthy.

You are congratulating Hunter on hitting picks that are top 20 overall. Those are the only picks he hit.

You realize you need to be kind of bad to get 4th overall or even 17th, right?

GMs are supposed to make those picks. Those are the gimmies. Feels really weird to say "man I am glad we got value for our very high pick, even if it means we completely shit the bed on the other 38 picks we made". Guys like Yzerman, Dubas, Sakic don't operate like that.

 

[Ianturnedbull]

That means murrays positioning is good.

Or the scoring touch isn't quite there.

 

[Havoc]

Hunter can make the right pick when you're building your core with lottery picks and showed he can hit on impact players in the later end of the draft (I meant first round). Move tf on now nobody wants to hear about hunter whether its positive or negative.

 

[DraftSchmaft]

I guarantee if Dubas had produced 1 Liljegren in 3 years, you would hate it.

I guarantee if Lils name was Knies you'd have the exact same opinion as the guy you quoted. But petty gonna petty because Lil wasn't a Dubas pick.

 

[Coaches Coroner]

I guarantee if Lils name was Knies you'd have the exact same opinion as the guy you quoted. But petty gonna petty because Lil wasn't a Dubas pick.

I think Lilly was a great pick (Hunters only good pick outside of home a fairly easy pick in Marner at 4th overall). Dubas is a mediocre GM with a penchant for gambling on high risk "fixes" (that don't pan out) and Knies hasn't shown anything at the pro-level (not sure Dubas is in charge of the draft the way Hunter was; credit for Knies likely belongs to someone else, not Dubas).

The "everyone in anti or pro Dubas" dichotomy you guys have going on is very funny. One side of that is demonstrably pettier than the other, so it's very funny to see those people weepy over others being "petty" when the shoe is on the other foot.

 

[Magic Man]

He has been in mostly defensive roles so far and has done well in them; similar to what I have seen out of ZAR and NAK thus far.

I would like to see him with better offensive players. When you are playing with Douglas and Clifford, you are not getting much offense out of that line. Put him with skilled players and he can produce.

He may do a decent job defensively. But, what seperates him from his competition in ZAR and Aube-Kubel is his inability to play the body. ZAR and Aube-Kubel run guys over while bringing solid defensive play, Anderson has been one of the least physical forwards up front. I've never understood what is holding him back from playing that way.

 

[Dion TheFluff]

But still, Hunter did right by us leading the way to ensure Marner was drafted over the other players being considered and then held firm on Liljegren as his final parting gift. He did right by us I don't feel the need to consistently bring him up in a negative way. If he's a guy that gets you one impact player every 3 years or so that's pretty damn good. Trades Ufa and free wallet signings can offset internal depth competition obtained via draft.

I believe Lil went later than 13th

17th

 

[DraftSchmaft]

I think Lilly was a great pick (Hunters only good pick outside of home a fairly easy pick in Marner at 4th overall). Dubas is a mediocre GM with a penchant for gambling on high risk "fixes" (that don't pan out) and Knies hasn't shown anything at the pro-level (not sure Dubas is in charge of the draft the way Hunter was; credit for Knies likely belongs to someone else, not Dubas).

The "everyone in anti or pro Dubas" dichotomy you guys have going on is very funny. One side of that is demonstrably pettier than the other, so it's very funny to see those people weepy over others being "petty" when the shoe is on the other foot.

I read the argument and don't find it to fall in any anti or pro dubas areas. Seems like you were just waiting in the shadows for the closest post that allows you to get your dichotomy frustrations out.

He built a nice influx of talent continuously coming in to surround the core with, that assumes Hunter is a first round only, zero late round guy. If your response wasn't petty then maybe you should consider at least showing why his system sucks for our team. Instead you took how he feels, and decided to tell him how he actually feels instead with your zero evidence, super powers to read his mind and spill his secrets approach.

 

[Coaches Coroner]

I read the argument and don't find it to fall in any anti or pro dubas areas. Seems like you were just waiting in the shadows for the closest post that allows you to get your dichotomy frustrations out.

lmfao some of you really need to go outside and touch grass once in a while.

 

[Sypher04]

He may do a decent job defensively. But, what seperates him from his competition in ZAR and Aube-Kubel is his inability to play the body. ZAR and Aube-Kubel run guys over while bringing solid defensive play, Anderson has been one of the least physical forwards up front. I've never understood what is holding him back from playing that way.

Yeah, I don’t have anything against the kid, but he just seems like a guy who still hasn’t figured out how he is going to have to play to make it at the nhl level. He’s been the definition of a non factor in every leaf camp. Here’s hoping something clicks for him, but he seems like a career AHLer at this point. Not someone I’m currently concerned about losing on waivers

 

[zeke]

Woah, hold your horses and laurels, it is just a couple of preseason games. Nothing can stop people from excessive dubasism.

Dubas >>>

 

[CDN24]

First game so can't expect more than just stopping the shots they allowed him to have.

Leafs showed up with their starting defensive pairings. All experienced NHL players. Kind of unfair really, to have all veterans on defense in a game like this.

Yeah these early preseason games don't show much. The road team tends to bring nobody. Habs brought 3 players who make more than $1M. Armia 3.4M, Evans 1.7M and Pitlick $1.1M. If we are going to make season ticket holders buy these tickets maybe we need a minimum salary level floor for preseason games.

 

[ACC1224]

Yeah these early preseason games don't show much. The road team tends to bring nobody. Habs brought 3 players who make more than $1M. Armia 3.4M, Evans 1.7M and Pitlick $1.1M. If we are going to make season ticket holders buy these tickets maybe we need a minimum salary level floor for preseason games.

We don't have to buy them any more.
Teams do need to dress a minimum number of players with a certain number of NHL games played.

 

[Clark4Ever]

Solid team effort last night. I was particularly encouraged by the play of Murray and Robertson.

 

[The Podium]

I think Lilly was a great pick (Hunters only good pick outside of home a fairly easy pick in Marner at 4th overall). Dubas is a mediocre GM with a penchant for gambling on high risk "fixes" (that don't pan out) and Knies hasn't shown anything at the pro-level (not sure Dubas is in charge of the draft the way Hunter was; credit for Knies likely belongs to someone else, not Dubas).

The "everyone in anti or pro Dubas" dichotomy you guys have going on is very funny. One side of that is demonstrably pettier than the other, so it's very funny to see those people weepy over others being "petty" when the shoe is on the other foot.

Late round picks take 4-5 years to even skim their NHL potential.

Hard to credit/criticize Dubas’ draft considering he’s only been around for that long. The majority of his draft picks are still too recently drafted to make an impact with the big club.

What we do know for certain, in the 3 drafts with Hunter in that position, this is the list of NHL players selected by the Toronto Maple Leafs outside the 1st round:

2015 - Dermott
2016 - Brooks, Grundstrom
2017 -

A bottom pairing D, a tweener NHLer, bottom 6 winger

In fact, I’m Dubas’ first draft alone, he hit on a Lilly caliber D in Durzi outside round 1 already. Who knows how other promising prospects turn out, but the Leafs under Dubas have already exceeded Hunters results on that one hit.

 

[Sypher04]

First game so can't expect more than just stopping the shots they allowed him to have.

Leafs showed up with their starting defensive pairings. All experienced NHL players. Kind of unfair really, to have all veterans on defense in a game like this.

I kinda liked that they insulated Murray for his first game. I get it’s only the preseason, but if they line up inexperienced D in front of him and the team lays an egg you know exactly what the conversation is going to be regardless of whether that is fair or not. I’m happy to see them ramp up his challenge as camp progresses. I also think we shouldn’t overstate our D in the game. Rielly, Brodie, Gio sure. But Mete, Dahlstrom and Benn are fringe NHLers, even if experienced. Also two of them missed most of the game putting Kerfoot and Jarnkrok on D lol

 

[Fogelhund]

As alleged Leafs fans, you'd think you would be in favour as many prospects hitting as possible, no matter who was in charge when they were drafted.

 

[DraftSchmaft]

Late round picks take 4-5 years to even skim their NHL potential.

Hard to credit/criticize Dubas’ draft considering he’s only been around for that long. The majority of his draft picks are still too recently drafted to make an impact with the big club.

What we do know for certain, in the 3 drafts with Hunter in that position, this is the list of NHL players selected by the Toronto Maple Leafs outside the 1st round:

2015 - Dermott
2016 - Brooks, Grundstrom
2017 -

A bottom pairing D, a tweener NHLer, bottom 6 winger

In fact, I’m Dubas’ first draft alone, he hit on a Lilly caliber D in Durzi outside round 1 already. Who knows how other promising prospects turn out, but the Leafs under Dubas have already exceeded Hunters results on that one hit.

You were the first to bash Durzi how he'd get "shit on" here and no where close to Liljegren when I brought him up when he cracked Kings top 4 last year, now suddenly he fits your narrative Have to be kidding me.

Don't make me find the post and expose you. You were very adamant about your stance in it and that's putting things lightly.

Hunter is not a villain here I don't know why people have the need for him to be. He was a temporary character on our path to success that left more positives than he did negatives.

 

[notDatsyuk]

Nylander in particular looked good, but grain of salt time guys: other that Armia, was there anyone wearing blue, blanc, et rouge who will likely be playing in the NHL, even for Montreal, when the real games start?

 

[notDatsyuk]

As alleged Leafs fans, you'd think you would be in favour as many prospects hitting as possible, no matter who was in charge when they were drafted.

I think it's not so much not wanting the players to hit, as not wanting the GM to have hit with them.

But either way, it's silly, imo.

 

[Hoglund4MvP]

Late round picks take 4-5 years to even skim their NHL potential.

Hard to credit/criticize Dubas’ draft considering he’s only been around for that long. The majority of his draft picks are still too recently drafted to make an impact with the big club.

What we do know for certain, in the 3 drafts with Hunter in that position, this is the list of NHL players selected by the Toronto Maple Leafs outside the 1st round:

2015 - Dermott
2016 - Brooks, Grundstrom
2017 -

A bottom pairing D, a tweener NHLer, bottom 6 winger

In fact, I’m Dubas’ first draft alone, he hit on a Lilly caliber D in Durzi outside round 1 already. Who knows how other promising prospects turn out, but the Leafs under Dubas have already exceeded Hunters results on that one hit.

GDT: - Around the League - 2021/22 PART IV

34 points in 31 games for Mason Marchment.

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