Post-Game Talk: Habs good. Habs win.

[ReHabs]

Wrong. Finding centers that can put up PPG or more points wise while giving Selke level two way play is something very few teams have. Suzuki is a gem.

“Wrong.” What an awful way to start a conversation.

In any case, Suzuki has not yet gotten close to a Selke and has not finished a season PPG. He is certainly a gem and our best player but there are many gems across the league.

The Habs need Reinbacher and Demidov to hit and then still more to be a on-paper Cup fav. Anything short of that leaves us perennially behind the magic 8-ball.

We forget how stacked some teams have been in recent years. Every Cup Winning team had serious skill and depth.

 

[nhlfan9191]

“Wrong.” What an awful way to start a conversation.

In any case, Suzuki has not yet gotten close to a Selke and has not finished a season PPG. He is certainly a gem and our best player but there are many gems across the league.

The Habs need Reinbacher and Demidov to hit and then still more to be a on-paper Cup fav. Anything short of that leaves us perennially behind the magic 8-ball.

We forget how stacked some teams have been in recent years. Every Cup Winning team had serious skill and depth.

If Suzuki was playing on a first line with some of the players these other elite teams have, he would be well over a PPG player and if he was on an actual playoff team, his stock in the Selke race would rise. You said every team has players as good as Suzuki and you are wrong. Thats why I started the conversation that way.

 

[ReHabs]

We have Demidov & Laine is in our wheelhouse too. We’ll have the offensive talent we need,

I really wanted the Habs to acquire Laine and I knew this season wouldn’t be perfect for him but hoped the following season would be lights-out. We’re on track. He’s a special talent for sure and precisely the kind of player to whom I referred.

Suzuki - Caufield - Demidov - Laine
Hutson - [?]

That’s a seriously potent nucleus of high-end talents. They’d be immediately supported by Guhle, whoever wins the goalie battle, and Slafkovsky (if he decides to move his feet).

That’s a team.

RD is a question mark and it remains to be seen if Reinbacher will be the guy. I don’t think it’s fair to expect that from him at this time. We’ll see how and how fast he recovers.

Adding another two-way C like Suzuki would be a dream. If we can get him without trading away Hage, it’ll be great.

 

[Guy Larose]

Hard for me to believe this is just a temporary hot streak since the Habs have been progressively getting better since that Calgary game in November.

The defence core is looking so damn solid. Amber and Guhle have taken the next step defensively and it’s showing.

Ooooh, Amber! Is she hot?

 

[ReHabs]

If Suzuki was playing on a first line with some of the players these other elite teams have, he would be well over a PPG player and if he was on an actual playoff team, his stock in the Selke race would rise.

I read this about Plekanec and Koivu too. It’s Habs fan blinders which is Wrong as always.

You said every team has players as good as Suzuki and you are wrong. Thats why I started the conversation that way.

Not every team, but almost every team has gems. The difference is in the number of gems they have and how they build the team culture. Buffalo had gems and squandered them or broke them but you’re high if you think eg Dahlin isn’t a gem.

 

[Habs Icing]

Wrong. Finding centers that can put up PPG or more points wise while giving Selke level two way play is something very few teams have. Suzuki is a gem.

Needs to be repeated. Many Hab fans overlook Slick Nick.

 

[JianYang]

Hard for me to believe this is just a temporary hot streak since the Habs have been progressively getting better since that Calgary game in November.

The defence core is looking so damn solid. Amber and Guhle have taken the next step defensively and it’s showing.

Streaks are always temporary but good health and the carrier deal have helped out alot.

This teams is better than I thought they would be at relatively full health, but I still think depth is a concern.

On defense, it seems each guy has found their niche with the right part er but it's one injury away from being disrupted again. We even see it with the savard injury on a smaller scale. Struble has drawbacks and the Habs weren't using him much towards the end last night.

Obviously, any injury to Suzuki would be a disaster, and an injury in net could still be a big problem. If it's dobes that has to carry the load, he's only played 3 games and is suseptible to volatility. Monty has already played too much if he has to carry the load again.

I do feel better about the habs ability to plug and play with their wingers though.

 

[ReHabs]

Needs to be repeated. Many Hab fans overlook Slick Nick.

I praised Suzuki as a special talent where the hell did you get that he’s being overlooked?

 

[Guy Larose]

If it's Amber Lynn, she used to be.

That's like 100 years ago.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Streaks are always temporary but good health and the carrier deal have helped out alot.

This teams is better than I thought they would be at relatively full health, but I still think depth is a concern.

On defense, it seems each guy has found their niche with the right part er but it's one injury away from being disrupted again. We even see it with the savard injury on a smaller scale. Struble has drawbacks and the Habs weren't using him much towards the end last night.

Obviously, any injury to Suzuki would be a disaster, and an injury in net could still be a big problem. If it's dobes that has to carry the load, he's only played 3 games and is suseptible to volatility. Monty has already played too much if he has to carry the load again.

I do feel better about the habs ability to plug and play with their wingers though.

If a goalie gets hurt we'll just have to... bring in CAREY PRICE!!!

 

[Habs Icing]

I praised Suzuki as a special talent where the hell did you get that he’s being overlooked?

Where the hell did you get that I was talking about you? I said many Habs overlook Suzuki. You went and parked yourself in the many Hab fans parking space.

 

[Miller Time]

If Suzuki was playing on a first line with some of the players these other elite teams have, he would be well over a PPG player and if he was on an actual playoff team, his stock in the Selke race would rise. You said every team has players as good as Suzuki and you are wrong. Thats why I started the conversation that way.

Some assessments fail to consider the context... Totally fair to point that out imo

 

[Habs Icing]

That's like 100 years ago.

That's why I said she used to be.

 

[nhlfan9191]

I read this about Plekanec and Koivu too. It’s Habs fan blinders which is Wrong as always.

Not every team, but almost every team has gems. The difference is in the number of gems they have and how they build the team culture. Buffalo had gems and squandered them or broke them but you’re high if you think eg Dahlin isn’t a gem.

I could care less what you read about Koivu and Plekanec. Those are two different players and neither were Nick Suzuki.

 

[Redux91]

Wrong. Finding centers that can put up PPG or more points wise while giving Selke level two way play is something very few teams have. Suzuki is a gem.

People don't realize Patrice Bergerons career high in pts is 79 lol, Nick had 77 last year, pacing for 80+ this year
And his career high in G was 32, Nick had 33 last year

There's more to #1 centers than 100 points...

 

[ReHabs]

I could care less what you read about Koivu and Plekanec. Those are two different players and neither were Nick Suzuki.

Suzuki’s a gem. With him and Caufield in red hot form, the Habs are barely in a playoff spot. The Habs need more Gems.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

Suzuki’s a gem. With him and Caufield in red hot form, the Habs are barely in a playoff spot. The Habs need more Gems.

They are barely in a playoff spot for several reasons. It took 30+ game to adapt to the new defensive strategy. They were weak on defense until they added Carrier who solidified then defense. And they didn't have a 2nd line until Dach got back to form and Laine returned. It had nothing to do with Suzuki and Caufield.

 

[nhlfan9191]

Suzuki’s a gem. With him and Caufield in red hot form, the Habs are barely in a playoff spot. The Habs need more Gems.

Hutson has emerged nicely, as much as people are down on Slafkovsky for his performance this season the potential is still very much there based on last season, we have Demidov in the wings, we have good young goalies in the pipeline, Reinbacher is hurt but could fill a big role. We still have work to do but things are starting to come together.

 

[Runner77]

How are they flawed if they sat in the room and said, these are the players we are targeting and really want.

We project Mesar won't be available in round 2. We project Beck won't make it into the late 2nd round and we think Hutson will be there at the end of round 2.

Then they went out and executed on that vision and got all 3 players.

I just think it's a really silly argument to say they were somehow negligent by taking Hutson where they did. They projected and got him. They also got two other prospects they really liked in the process. I would say that deserves to be applauded rather than talked about like some derelict action that speaks to some level of incompetence. It actually speaks to competence and really strong intelligence gathering.

Again, please stop putting words in other posters’ mouths. What’s « sllly » is you inferring that I claimed they were « negligent ». And now you’ve ramped the accusations up to the level of derelict action and incompetence.

Looks to me that your post is setting up strawmen so that you can pontificate about points that were not being made. Save it for a draft thread. You’re taking an innocuous statement for PGT consumption that was made in response to someone else’s assertions and a simple point about how luck played a role with Hutson’s pick in particular and turning it into an exaggerated proclamation that helps no one.

I have no a appetite for your type of condescending discourse. Please try someone else. Life’s too short for this shit.

Have yourself a great day.

 

[Runner77]

Jesus, he just replied to my post in a light-hearted manner when I said we got two first-overall picks in one draft. Is it getting to the point here where every word, every sentence, is getting broken down and picked apart and becoming the basis for an argument? No one is reprimanding anyone lol.

He’s doing the same thing with my posts. Guy has some serious displaced aggression behaviors going on. He can go kick rocks if that’s how he!s going to treat fellow posters.

 

[Miller Time]

Hutson's play in OT was a great example of why, if he avoids career altering injury, this kid is on his way to an elite, HOF worthy career...

Particularly the last 2 possessions.
- goes aggressive to keep the puck in the ozone
- gets knocked down on a play that would be a penalty if he were bigger... The non-call and his inability to keep his footing both tied to his stature.
- waste no time mad or frustrated, shows only determination and elite compete mindset in bouncing back up and getting in a position to disrupt the odd man Rush
- plays excellent positional defense and shows tremendous instinct in timing his play on the pass... Kills the attack and creates the transition that eventually leads to the game winner

Determination
Skill
Instinct
Compete

A mix of elite "intangibles", technical execution and tactical reads.... Few players period have that mix, let alone 20 year old rookies.

Combine all that with a workhorse approach to training, and you have the ingredients of a HOF career.

Such a joy to watch unfold...

 

[Redux91]

Suzuki’s a gem. With him and Caufield in red hot form, the Habs are barely in a playoff spot. The Habs need more Gems.

We have more than 2.
And 1, the shiniest of them all, on the way

But it's cute, you keep swinging bud!

 

[Andrei79]

I'm referring to the competitive drills Grillo helped implement in practice meant to take players out of their comfort zones. It was documented talked about including what we hoped to accomplish by it and then we forgot about it.. This is about players competing (properly) in all three zones. The two and three player interchanges are completely different but that was the purpose of those drills in the first place. Little segments of games played out very competitively in practice are now being reflected in the games. It's not all about a system the players finally clued in to. The players are also acting out of familiarity for the first time in years.

I think you're overstating his impact by quite a bit. Grillo and MSL go back a long way. They've made conferences together. He isn't adding anything new, he's an extension of the coaching staff meaning they meet up, set an objective, discuss drills, etc. MSL is the one talking to the players, implementing his system and running the practices. Even what you're talking about in terms of segment of games being played out competitively, they were already doing that before. It's one of Adam Nicholas' ways of practicing with his players. I also disagree with saying this is the first time, they were already showing signs at the end of last year.

 

[ReimanSum1908]

Ooooh, Amber! Is she hot?

Look, she's already playing in the NHL.

You can't find a girl who's the whole package, you know.

 

[Rapala]

I think you're overstating his impact by quite a bit. Grillo and MSL go back a long way. They've made conferences together. He isn't adding anything new, he's an extension of the coaching staff meaning they meet up, set an objective, discuss drills, etc. MSL is the one talking to the players, implementing his system and running the practices. Even what you're talking about in terms of segment of games being played out competitively, they were already doing that before. It's one of Adam Nicholas' ways of practicing with his players. I also disagree with saying this is the first time, they were already showing signs at the end of last year.

Right and I think you are understating it. There was a video put out about Grillo and what he brings to the table. I'm astounded that you think he doesn't bring anything new to the table his approach
is completely new/different to this organization. The reason Marty wanted to hire him was because he knew he was not nearly good enough as a head coach in the NHL.