Dach is entering his prime at a torrid 32 point pace with a plus minus of -24...
... The next closest Hab is -12.
Proposal: Habs-Devils-Preds (3 way trade)
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Dach is entering his prime at a torrid 32 point pace with a plus minus of -24...
... The next closest Hab is -12.
Habs Halifax
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I'd offer that but if the Devils trade Nemec, they are after a center IMO. Futures does not help their team now
I like Nemec and his top 4D potential but many of you are guilty of stapling him as a sure shot hit and there will be no set backs to his development. If he had the value and potential all of you think he has, he would be forcing the Devils hand and earned a NHL spot.
Lets remember this... Who is better in the next 3+ years. Nemec or Dach. Both players have room to grow but one of them is in the NHL and is a big center with skating. Dach has more value than most are willing to admit.
I think most fans don't realize Nemec should not be in the AHL and he is stuck behind a good RD corp and the fact that he is AHL available is hurting him. If he would be waiver eligible he would be in the NHL. NJ needs to win and they put the most experienced dmen on the ice
So the only dissenter you respect is the one that disregarded your proposal so quickly it didn’t even bear explanation, while the people who actually spent time providing reasoning are bad because you don’t want to hear reasoning? Ok.
Zippy316
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Dach is honestly not a bad target for the Devils for a 3C role with some upside.
But definitely not at the expense of Nemec
But definitely not at the expense of Nemec
You admit Nemec has Top 4D potential but are insisting that it's reasonable for MTL to only give Kirby Dach for him.
Because New Jersey, who has Hughes and Hischier, is in desperate need of a center.
Habs Halifax
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You don't like Dach. That's OK but spare us with the Dach trash talk. Just decline the trade. I offered the Devils a young Center who has size and skating and plays with a physical edge. This is a need for the Devils and Dach is still RFA controlled.
I am interested in Nemec but as a top 4D potential. Not a sure shot top pairing stud. I feel many of you are guilty by not considering Nemec can have development set backs.
HugeInTheShire
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The Devils were pleasantly surprised by Kovacevic's play this year and it's the only reason Nemec isn't in the NHL right now. Certain Montreal fans think that because they had Kovacevic on their team that they understand his level of play, so if Nemec can't beat a guy that was nothing more than a depth piece in Montreal that must mean he doesn't have much value.
You seem to be one that actually understands this isn't the case.
Hi there. I would like to trade you Michael Rasmussen for David Reinbacher. Yes Reinbacher has Top 4D potential, but Rasmussen is a young center who has size and plays with a physical edge.
Good deal, right?!
Habs Halifax
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Thank you for this context. At least you are fair about it and avoid Dach trash talk. Dach has more value than what most fans on these boards are willing to admit. I actually don't want to trade him before I know how good he is but the Devils do need a center like this and the Habs have Hage coming. ROR is a good bridge for when Hage might be ready.
This could back fire on the Habs. Dach becomes a solid 60 pts forward and provides that critical size/skating/physical edge while Nemec becomes an OK top 4D. None of us know what either player will be in their prime.
I would say Dach’s value is closer to waiver wire than it is to Nemec. I don’t see why Nemec wouldn’t still be worth a kings ransom like Columbus got for Jiricek recently. For all of Nemec’s faults he’s still not struggling as badly as Jiricek is.
Bring Bak Damphousse
Fire Bergevin...into the Sun
I’ve never read a trade proposal on these boards that didn’t follow this exact pattern, from any team.
1) my team fills organizational needs
2) your team receives whatever package of picks/players/prospects I deem the easiest to swallow
HugeInTheShire
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Ummmmm where did I say Dach sucks?? Maybe try reading the posts instead of inserting your own narrative into them.
Dach is a player NJ would maybe have some interest but if Montreal says the cost for him alone is Nemec, they would no longer be interested in him.
Bouboumaster
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Montréal say no
Nemec ain't good enough to make it in NJD top 3 RHD, and we already have a bunch of them.
ROR is still good but he's geriatric
Nemec ain't good enough to make it in NJD top 3 RHD, and we already have a bunch of them.
ROR is still good but he's geriatric
UnSandvich
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As a Rangers fan I’d love to see the Devils get bent over this badly. Trade is way off, as is OP’s valuation of the players in said trade
You can’t inflate Dach’s value based on his potential and then discount Nemec’s value because of “risks” in the same breath.
I have still yet to see Kirby Dach be an effective NHL center at any point in his career.
He had a brief period of decent results as a winger on line 1 with Suzuki and Caufield while getting PP1 time. Other than that it's been a shitshow
He had a brief period of decent results as a winger on line 1 with Suzuki and Caufield while getting PP1 time. Other than that it's been a shitshow
Habs Halifax
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This is true about Kova but if Nemec had the potential most of you think he has, he would have pushed and earned a spot. Forced the Devils hand. He's not really lighting up the AHL but he is on bad team too. I understand the Devils back end very well. And I also understand Nemec's path. There is no way anybody can say Nemec has top 4D base and will reach it with no hiccups.
The way I see this is Nemec becomes a steady top 4D and Dach becomes a 60 pts forward but provides the size/skating/physical edge which should not be brushed under the rug.
Not inflating it at all. Most who are fair on Dach know he has 60 pts in him and he has been very good lately. It's taken some time since his injury last year. He's an underrated 24 year old withs size/skating/skill and brings a physical edge IMO. The only thing I don't like about him is his faceoffs.
Ledge And Dairy
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HugeInTheShire
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He's 20, it's not a big deal he's in the AHL right now. If the Devils sign Kovacevic then Nemec might be available, but he won't be given away.
Your argument has to be potential vs potential. Both players carry risks and rewards.
Habs Halifax
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This is the comical part other fans don't see. Several Habs fans would not make this trade.
That's two separate trades, not a 3-way.
Also, Dach alone doesn't bring Nemec.
Also, Dach alone doesn't bring Nemec.
Habs Halifax
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That's exactly my angle... Potential vs Potential and both players carry risks/rewards. People who think Dach has topped out are out of their minds.
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