Proposal: Habs-Devils-Preds (3 way trade)

[FriendlyGhost92]

For a minute I was wondering why OP wouldn't respond to any of my posts.

Then I realized this is the guy who blocked me last week for calling him out when he said Michael Hage is an "A+ Prospect".

Could somebody please relay my Michael Rasmussen for David Reinbacher proposal to him?! It seems comparable...

 

[Habs Halifax]

That's two separate trades, not a 3-way.

Also, Dach alone doesn't bring Nemec.

Yes, but the Habs don't trade away Dach without bringing in ROR. If the Preds trade ROR somewhere else or keep him, the Habs can make the Dach/Nemec trade.

 

[EK392000]

I’ve never read a trade proposal on these boards that didn’t follow this exact pattern, from any team.

1) my team fills organizational needs

2) your team receives whatever package of picks/players/prospects I deem the easiest to swallow

I’ve seen proposals where people did not leave their team’s most valuable pieces off the table.

The more vocal Habs fans on these boards are notorious for leaving anything of value off the table and throw quantity at you. See the recent Dobson proposal as an example.

 

[Habs Halifax]

And they would be wrong.

These are opinions so we all need to chill. None of us know how either of Dach or Nemec will end up in their prime. We have to stop pretending. If Nemec was in the NHL and showing his #2OA value, that would be different.

 

[SteveCangialosi123]

I like it, Nemec for a hunk of shit sounds good.

 

[EK392000]

That's exactly my angle... Potential vs Potential and both players carry risks/rewards. People who think Dach has topped out are out of their minds.

Sure, but Nemec is also only 20 years old, playing a position that is harder to learn at the NHL level, and on a team with a good defensive corps.

You are not giving Nemec a fair shake here.

 

[MakoSlade]

Serious questions about Dach - how does he look out there? Does he play hard, bang bodies around, create havoc, go to the dirty areas? Good defense, smart play? Does he do other things when he isn't scoring? I don't notice him when I watch Montreal, which isn't often but often enough to notice Hutson, Slaf, Suzuki, Caufield. But I don't notice Dach.

 

[Treb]

These are opinions so we all need to chill. None of us know how either of Dach or Nemec will end up in their prime. We have to stop pretending. If Nemec was in the NHL and showing his #2OA value, that would be different.

Where did I talk about prime?

Right now, Nemec's value is higher than Dach.

 

[Maitz]

The Devils were pleasantly surprised by Kovacevic's play this year and it's the only reason Nemec isn't in the NHL right now. Certain Montreal fans think that because they had Kovacevic on their team that they understand his level of play, so if Nemec can't beat a guy that was nothing more than a depth piece in Montreal that must mean he doesn't have much value.

You seem to be one that actually understands this isn't the case.

Kovacevic is an excellent 6th dman, if the devils were in a rebuilding phase they would play Nemec but they need to win and mostly they can finish 1st in the division with that team. You need to limit the turnovers on D so of course you play your best defensive assets right now. The same situation happened to us when Suzuki and Caufield came into the league, we even sent Caufield in the AHL and Suzuki played on the 4th line. People tend to forget that Nemec is still 20 yrs old.

 

[Habs Halifax]

I’ve seen proposals where people did not leave their team’s most valuable pieces off the table.

The more vocal Habs fans on these boards are notorious for leaving anything of value off the table and throw quantity at you. See the recent Dobson proposal as an example.

Dach and a pick (12-18 range) are valuable pieces.

Dach may not be a locked in #2C but that potential is still there at age 24. That 1st is not some back or the bus 1st.

 

[dgibb10]

These are opinions so we all need to chill. None of us know how either of Dach or Nemec will end up in their prime. We have to stop pretending. If Nemec was in the NHL and showing his #2OA value, that would be different.

The development curve plateaus when players reach their mid 20s. Dach is a reclamation project, and one that has already tried to be fixed and it hasn't woroked, not some high upside prospect.

 

[Treb]

Yes, but the Habs don't trade away Dach without bringing in ROR. If the Preds trade ROR somewhere else or keep him, the Habs can make the Dach/Nemec trade.

This is more of an offseason trade because I don't see NJ being interested in bringing Dach for the PO push.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Kovacevic is an excellent 6th dman, if the devils were in a rebuilding phase they would play Nemec but they need to win and mostly they can finish 1st in the division with that team. You need to limit the turnovers on D so of course you play your best defensive assets right now. The same situation happened to us when Suzuki and Caufield came into the league, we even sent Caufield in the AHL and Suzuki played on the 4th line. People tend to forget that Nemec is still 20 yrs old.

Nemec has potential yes but it's top 4D potential... if he reaches it and none of us know how long it will take him. Dach is not done growing at age 24 today and this is not some smurf of a center either.

This is more of an offseason trade because I don't see NJ being interested in bringing Dach for the PO push.

If you forget about Nemec, I can assure the Devils would welcome Dach on their roster for this Playoffs. A big body with skill and skating and can play center? Come on man

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

Dach + higher of the Flames or Habs 1sts, top 10 protected is closer to the value of Nemec than just Dach alone.

Nashville does well, on the other hand. I could see them valuing Dach in a ROR trade over picks / prospects.

I think there could be a deal to be made here but maybe not for Nemec and definitely not for both ROR & Nemec... at least not with these pieces.

 

[dgibb10]

Nemec has potential yes but it's top 4D potential... if he reaches it and none of us know how long it will take him. Dach is not done growing at age 24 today and this is not some smurf of a center either.

Nemec, who is 20 years old and already has a season of top 4D play under his belt as a teenager: "he can only be a top 4 D"
Dach, who is 24 years old and has never been an effective NHL center: "he's not done growing he could still be a top tier C"

 

[crackdown44]

Dach and a pick (12-18 range) are valuable pieces.

Dach may not be a locked in #2C but that potential is still there at age 24. That 1st is not some back or the bus 1st.

If habs fans really believed that Dach was going to hit as a 2c then they wouldn’t be throwing him in every trade proposal they make as it’s one of the bigger holes in their lineup right now

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

I liked, "Everybody knows Dach has 60 point potential" even though his career high was 38 points inflated to a 53 point pace...

 

[Habs Halifax]

Where did I talk about prime?

Right now, Nemec's value is higher than Dach.

No. Nemec has to show the potential in actual NHL games. He has played 69 games and most of them were at age 19. This is a clear case that he needs development time and usually, the good ones shine right away. Nemec has a long way to go to reach top 4D and Dach is closer to 2C than Nemec is at top 4D.

Let me give you a different angle. Lets say the Habs drafted Nemec #2OA and he was still in the AHL at age 20, what the hell do you think other fans tell us? You are overrating your own

 

[Sasha Orlov]

Devils should toss in Jack Hughes as well to even this up a bit

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

is there a different more valuable dach in the habs organization that starts the conversation for nemec or am i missing something?

He's nearing Colton Dach value levels, so you do have a point... Kind of?

 

[Habs Halifax]

If habs fans really believed that Dach was going to hit as a 2c then they wouldn’t be throwing him in every trade proposal they make as it’s one of the bigger holes in their lineup right now

Not the angle I am coming from. I like Dach's potential to be a #2C. He's got size/skill/skating and he does play physical. The points are not there yet but he has been very good lately. I get how some of you are low on Dach but he's 24 with injury setbacks derailing his development. There is still lots to like with Dach. Just as much to like as Nemec. I believe Dach is closer to 2C than Nemec is to top 4D. And both players have similar value in their prime. Bookmark it and lets see how it ages.

This is me wanting to flip a potential 2C for a potential top 4D because I really like Hage. ROR would be our stop gap for when Hage could be ready. There are risks to the Habs on this trade that most of you are ignoring.

 

[Glorydays22]

Dach does not suck. He's 24 and just touching his prime. This is definitely a piece the Devils can use and fills a team need and still under RFA control.

You can laugh and I don't care. Dach will have similar numbers to Cozens in the next 5-8 years. Bookmark it. Dach has fringe 2C value today at age 24 . You guys are point watching and I can do that with Nemec as well. Dach is a big boy with very good skating and I feel he is going to put up 50-60 pts in his prime and provide a physical edge.

There are risks for the Habs trading Dach for Newhook who has not earned a full time NHL job yet.

If Dach is that good, you should keep him..But you can spin it anyway you want, the Devils trade is horrible.

 

[Jerzey Devil]

Kovacevic for Evans straight up.

 

[dgibb10]

Not the angle I am coming from. I like Dach's potential to be a #2C. He's got size/skill/skating and he does play physical. The points are not there yet but he has been very good lately. I get how some of you are low on Dach but he's 24 with injury setbacks derailing his development. There is still lots to like with Dach. Just as much to like as Nemec. I believe Dach is closer to 2C than Nemec is to top 4D. And both players have similar value in their prime. Bookmark it and lets see how it ages.

This is me wanting to flip a potential 2C for a potential top 4D because I really like Hage. ROR would be our stop gap for when Hage could be ready. There are risks to the Habs on this trade that most of you are ignoring.

Well, on the one hand, Nemec has shown he can be an effective top 4D at the NHL level despite being only 20

On the other hand, Dach has never been an effective center at the NHL level

 

[Habs Halifax]

Serious questions about Dach - how does he look out there? Does he play hard, bang bodies around, create havoc, go to the dirty areas? Good defense, smart play? Does he do other things when he isn't scoring? I don't notice him when I watch Montreal, which isn't often but often enough to notice Hutson, Slaf, Suzuki, Caufield. But I don't notice Dach.

My honest assesement with pros and cons:
* Big body with skating and skill. The 24 year old can play and does have a physical edge and stand to even get stronger in his prime
* Faceoffs suck. He's not good at it. Does he improve in his prime? Not sure. Maybe but would not count on it being better than 50%
* Doesn't shoot much. He's more of a play making center. His shot is OK but not a sniper

I do think he is not a 2C today but he is close. I'm interested in seeing what he can do for the rest of the season. He's been a big part of the Habs moving up the standings since December.

This is me trying to flip someone who is closer to 2C for someone who has top 4D potential but needs more time than Dach. I'd like to add ROR as a stop gap for Hage. The Habs do have depth at center and are after a RD.