Proposal: Habs-Devils-Preds (3 way trade)

[FriendlyGhost92]

No. Nemec has to show the potential in actual NHL games. He has played 69 games and most of them were at age 19. This is a clear case that he needs development time and usually, the good ones shine right away. Nemec has a long way to go to reach top 4D and Dach is closer to 2C than Nemec is at top 4D.

Let me give you a different angle. Lets say the Habs drafted Nemec #2OA and he was still in the AHL at age 20, what the hell do you think other fans tell us? You are overrating your own

Using this logic, Slaf's value is pretty mediocre too, huh...

 

[Habs Halifax]

If Dach is that good, you should keep him..But you can spin it anyway you want, the Devils trade is horrible.

In another post, I mentioned the reason why I am trading Dach. ROR becomes a stop gap to Hage (who I really like) and we fill a hole at RD.

I do respect a no reply but I am sensitive to Dach trashing... as you an see. His value is not trash and posters need to come to their senses. This is a big boy with skating/skill/physical edge and just touching his prime. The Devils can use this

Not a good trade the Devils like. I'm OK with that. Lets bookmark Nemec vs Dach and look back in 3 years. I bet you it will look fair by then.

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

My honest assesement with pros and cons:
* Big body with skating and skill. The 24 year old can play and does have a physical edge and stand to even get stronger in his prime
* Faceoffs suck. He's not good at it. Does he improve in his prime? Not sure. Maybe but would not count on it being better than 50%
* Doesn't shoot much. He's more of a play making center. His shot is OK but not a sniper

I do think he is not a 2C today but he is close. I'm interested in seeing what he can do for the rest of the season. He's been a big part of the Habs moving up the standings since December.

This is me trying to flip someone who is closer to 2C for someone who has top 4D potential but needs more time than Dach. I'd like to add ROR as a stop gap for Hage. The Habs do have depth at center and are after a RD.

Ahh yes, Dach the playmaker, who is T-344th in the league in assists.

EDIT: Dach has two primary assists all year.

 

[Treb]

Nemec has potential yes but it's top 4D potential... if he reaches it and none of us know how long it will take him. Dach is not done growing at age 24 today and this is not some smurf of a center either.



If you forget about Nemec, I can assure the Devils would welcome Dach on their roster for this Playoffs. A big body with skill and skating and can play center? Come on man

I think they would prefer to spend assets in another way.

 

[Treb]

No. Nemec has to show the potential in actual NHL games. He has played 69 games and most of them were at age 19. This is a clear case that he needs development time and usually, the good ones shine right away. Nemec has a long way to go to reach top 4D and Dach is closer to 2C than Nemec is at top 4D.

Let me give you a different angle. Lets say the Habs drafted Nemec #2OA and he was still in the AHL at age 20, what the hell do you think other fans tell us? You are overrating your own

Using the same logic, Dach is a 30-40 points winger that struggle a lot defensively.

 

[herzausstein]

As a Nashville fan, i cant say id be excited about trading RoR for mystery prospects that will have no impact for 3-4 years. Id prefer to trade him for more NHL ready prospects from more recent drafts like a Namec (just using him because he is already involved in this proposal. Not saying it is fair or either side would do it) to fill the holes in our roster.

 

[Zippy316]

This is true about Kova but if Nemec had the potential most of you think he has, he would have pushed and earned a spot. Forced the Devils hand. He's not really lighting up the AHL but he is on bad team too. I understand the Devils back end very well. And I also understand Nemec's path. There is no way anybody can say Nemec has top 4D base and will reach it with no hiccups.

The way I see this is Nemec becomes a steady top 4D and Dach becomes a 60 pts forward but provides the size/skating/physical edge which should not be brushed under the rug.



Not inflating it at all. Most who are fair on Dach know he has 60 pts in him and he has been very good lately. It's taken some time since his injury last year. He's an underrated 24 year old withs size/skating/skill and brings a physical edge IMO. The only thing I don't like about him is his faceoffs.

Nemec was injured in Olympic qualifiers to start the year and struggled early on, assumption is he was still banged up. Originally, the though process was Kovacevic would be 7th D with Nemec at 3RD.

Kovacevic came out of nowhere to post borderline elite defensive numbers alongside Siegenthaler and continues to play really well.

When Pesce returned from injury, the RD was Hamilton-Kovacevic-Pesce and there was no reason to take Kovacevic out of this lineup how he was playing.

Therefore, it only made sense for Nemec to go the AHL and play all situations rather than mess with the defense group.

It’s as simple as that and far from an indictment on Nemec. Timing-wise he ended up being the odd man out.

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

If Dach is valuable enough to get Nemec, I want Demidov for Kasper.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Using the same logic, Dach is a 30-40 points winger that struggle a lot defensively.

Do you really believe Dach is a 30-40 pts winger in his prime? It's impossible for him to improve right? A 24 year old playing in the NHL is not allowed to improve while a 20 year old is allowed to improve. I actually think both players improve and like I said, the value between these two will be stable in 2 or 3 years. Dach reaches it sooner because he is more mature in age and experience

If the Habs drafted Nemec #2OA and he was playing in the AHL at age 20, you know what other fans tell us right? You are overvaluing your own. 2nd time I said that and it's very accurate. What's happening here is Dach is being deflated and Nemec is being pumped. It's not the other way around.

I can take a no reply but no way I am I backing down on Dach's value.

 

[dgibb10]

Do you really believe Dach is a 30-40 pts winger in his prime? It's impossible for him to improve right?

If the Habs drafted Nemec #2OA and he was playing in the AHL at age 20, you know what other fans tell us right? You are overvaluing your own. 2nd time I said that and it's very accurate. What's happening here is Dach is being deflated and Nemec is being pumped. It's not the other way around.

I can take a no reply but no way I am I backing down on Dach's value.

He's 24 year old, 6 years into his NHL career. The development curve has levelled off.

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

This is a clear case that he needs development time and usually, the good ones shine right away.

This coming from the guy who is shouting from the rooftops that 24 year old Kirby Dach has a lot more to give...

 

[Nocashstyle]

Nemec was injured in Olympic qualifiers to start the year and struggled early on, assumption is he was still banged up. Originally, the though process was Kovacevic would be 7th D with Nemec at 3RD.

Kovacevic came out of nowhere to post borderline elite defensive numbers alongside Siegenthaler and continues to play really well.

When Pesce returned from injury, the RD was Hamilton-Kovacevic-Pesce and there was no reason to take Kovacevic out of this lineup how he was playing.

Therefore, it only made sense for Nemec to go the AHL and play all situations rather than mess with the defense group.

It’s as simple as that and far from an indictment on Nemec. Timing-wise he ended up being the odd man out.

The OP has been told this about 100 times going back to the Nemec thread from last week…they just refuse to acknowledge any of this context in order to claim Nemec’s value isn’t high because he’s in the AHL.

 

[Djp]

Devils acquire:
* Dach

Habs acquire:
* Nemec
* ROR

Preds acquire:
* Flames 1st from Habs (12-18 range)
* 2nd round Pick (Habs or Pens... early to mid round ish)
* Prospect (one of Beck or Roy)

It's basically Dach for Nemec straight up with the Devils, but the Habs need to be able to bring in ROR to replace Dach so it becomes a 3 way trade.

Nemec is worth much more than Dach

 

[Habs Halifax]

Nemec was injured in Olympic qualifiers to start the year and struggled early on, assumption is he was still banged up. Originally, the though process was Kovacevic would be 7th D with Nemec at 3RD.

Kovacevic came out of nowhere to post borderline elite defensive numbers alongside Siegenthaler and continues to play really well.

When Pesce returned from injury, the RD was Hamilton-Kovacevic-Pesce and there was no reason to take Kovacevic out of this lineup how he was playing.

Therefore, it only made sense for Nemec to go the AHL and play all situations rather than mess with the defense group.

It’s as simple as that and far from an indictment on Nemec. Timing-wise he ended up being the odd man out.

I get it, you prefer Nemec to play AHL and big minutes. Most Devils fans will say no and I respect that but there are a lot of guilty fans trashing Dach which is just wrong.

I feel Dach will reach 2C in his prime and he is close. I just prefer to flip him for a RD and add a stop gap ROR to buy us time for Hage. I could be wrong but I really like Hage as our future 2C. Another big body that skates well. This is not me trying to trick others in taking Dach. Very far from it.

I also feel Nemec will reach top 4D but it will take time. Dach is closer to 2C than Nemec is to top 4D. That's how I see this. Bookmark it, Lets see how the Dach vs Nemec debate will age.

The OP has been told this about 100 times going back to the Nemec thread from last week…they just refuse to acknowledge any of this context in order to claim Nemec’s value isn’t high because he’s in the AHL.

Nemec's value is stable (not high or low) but what you fail to notice is I have Dach's value stable as well. And yes, I am interested in traded for Nemec. I feel him and Reinbacher fit well with Hutson and Guhle and the Habs are deep at C. Call me gullible but I really like Hage.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Nemec is worth much more than Dach

Nemec has to show that potential for him to have that value. Devils have him developing with big min's in the AHL but most of you are looking at a #2OA pick but fail to remember what Bob M said about that draft. Most of them project to be 2nd tier assets. And yes, I consider Slaf a 2nd tier asset.

Most of you will remember this and that's what I prefer. Lets re visit how bad or good this is in 2 or 3 years time. See how it ages. Are you a Sabres fan? This one will get you tied in a knot as well... Dach will have similar value and production vs Cozens in the next 5-8 years. Bookmark that one too

 

[Bringer of Jollity]

Preds have 3 1sts already in this draft, and Trotz will just have to try to find a new 2C next year. No interest in Beck or Roy. Value may be fine but it's not what Trotz is going to be looking for.

 

[SnS]

It was the song that never ends….

Except this time.

It’s over.