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Hey in another news....Gauthier scores. I'm officially jealous.

Prediction...our pick at 5, IF HIS NAME IS NOT MICHKOV, won't be better than the 5th pick Gauthier.
 
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Whitesnake said:
Hey in another news....Gauthier scores. I'm officially jealous.

Prediction...our pick at 5, IF HIS NAME IS NOT MICHKOV, won't be better than the 5th pick Gauthier.
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Gauthier is NOT that good.

Hutson and Bonino are not dressed. Are they being rested?
 
Boss Man Hughes said:
Gauthier is NOT that good.

Hutson and Bonino are not dressed. Are they being rested?
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Seems Bonino is sick. No news on Hutson.

As far as Gauthier is concerned...I guess we'll see. I predict he will.

SuzukiSZN said:
Leonard

He’s gonna be the Gauthier of this year.
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I love Leonard. A lot. Leonard doesn't have the size of Gauthier though just yet. If ever.
 
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Whitesnake said:
Seems Bonino is sick. No news on Hutson.

As far as Gauthier is concerned...I guess we'll see. I predict he will.



I love Leonard. A lot. Leonard doesn't have the size of Gauthier though just yet. If ever.
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Gauthier will be a good player. How good is the question. Gauthier would look good with Frost and Farabee but he and Farabee are lw's apparently.
 
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SuzukiSZN said:
Gauthier has been playing center in college
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Didn't watch BC this year. Nobody worth watching since Gauther is owned in my keeper league. He did quite well though considering their wasn't much else on the team.

ChesterNimitz said:
We should have such an embarrassment of riches.
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Suzuki, Dach, 2023 1st (if a c is taken), possibly Dubois, and Beck will have the potential to be as good.
 
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SuzukiSZN said:
Leonard

He’s gonna be the Gauthier of this year.
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He’s not the same type of player though.

Even if both have similar tools. Will be interesting to follow them going forward.

Rumours are the Leonard is gathering a lot of attention at the top of draft.
 
Whitesnake said:
Don't look for Lane today...he's not dressed. Don't know why. Luke Tuch is.


We talk a lot about Reinbacher for Habs...but Dvorsky being our pick would not be surprising at all.

As far as analysing prospects...yeah, I guess there will always be exceptions. I too would not have picked Cozens and Tkachuk as high as they were. But I thought Snuggle and Gauthier were great picks at their respective places. It's always about having a great mix of players so that you could play all sorts of games. Problem with Habs right now is that I don't see the winning a talent game. Reason why I'd pick Michkov, Smith or even Benson ahead of Dvorsky. Still...Dvorsky in himself is definately not a bad player.

In Dvorsky you have to hope that he keeps his scoring touch that made the Habs miss on Kulich, though by bringing a 2-way game that would complement Suzuki's game.
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I won’t lie, I have some reservations on Dvorsky.

He was great at the U18, and more importantly he was great when the moment called for it, which is worth something.

But he didn’t impress me in most of the viewings I had of him (except U18). I question his ceiling and his ability to create for others. Not the most explosive skater, feels like he lacks a bit of vision/creativity to set up teammates and I wonder about his ability to enter the zone in possession on a regular basis. You can’t just defer to his shot all the time.

I get why some like him, there’s definitely tools there. People often forget how important puck protection is and how much space it can open on the ice, and he’s good at protecting the puck. Great inside game and good shooting arsenal. He’s also dedicated to play his position and pits effort defensively. He did carry a team on his back during the U18 and that does carry weight.


Ultimately, you’re right when you say a team needs different elements. Just looking at the playoffs, all those teams can play any style you throw at them. They have skill, they can play physical, open up the play or close things up.

I’d be disappointed if he was the pick, I have others ahead and there’s questions about his ceiling, but I won’t throw him rocks.
 
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So Veleno got a 5 game suspension for that Nino stomp. That means he's out of the tournament.

Maximum amount of games left for Canada is 5.
2 group games, QF, SF & medal game.

If Canada plays less, I guess he has to serve the rest at a later time. It seems doubtful he ever plays for Canada again, but you never know.
 
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So Veleno got a 5 game suspension for that Nino stomp. That means he's out of the tournament.

Maximum amount of games left for Canada is 5.
2 group games, QF, SF & medal game.

If Canada plays less, I guess he has to serve the rest at a later time. It seems doubtful he ever plays for Canada again, but you never know.
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He won't play for Canada ever again count on it.
 
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MadMslm said:
I won’t lie, I have some reservations on Dvorsky.

He was great at the U18, and more importantly he was great when the moment called for it, which is worth something.

But he didn’t impress me in most of the viewings I had of him (except U18). I question his ceiling and his ability to create for others. Not the most explosive skater, feels like he lacks a bit of vision/creativity to set up teammates and I wonder about his ability to enter the zone in possession on a regular basis. You can’t just defer to his shot all the time.

I get why some like him, there’s definitely tools there. People often forget how important puck protection is and how much space it can open on the ice, and he’s good at protecting the puck. Great inside game and good shooting arsenal. He’s also dedicated to play his position and pits effort defensively. He did carry a team on his back during the U18 and that does carry weight.


Ultimately, you’re right when you say a team needs different elements. Just looking at the playoffs, all those teams can play any style you throw at them. They have skill, they can play physical, open up the play or close things up.

I’d be disappointed if he was the pick, I have others ahead and there’s questions about his ceiling, but I won’t throw him rocks.
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Dvorsky is a potential stud imo and showed it at the U18's just like his supporters said he would. If he played in the CHL I don't think he would have any detractors. His ceiling is higher than Pastrnak's was at the same age and he has a similar skill set so I find the low ceiling narrative odd. He quite literally does not appear to have a weakness. His skating is underrated on this site just like Pastrnak/Kucherov/Marner etc are underrated because of the way they choose to approach the game. Watching him skate, his mechanics are really good and the truth is that he only goes as fast as he needs to go. He is a responsible two way center (which in some absurd correlation equates to low ceiling in some people's minds).

I think he is an absolutely perfect fit in Montreal but I do wonder If, even on a subconscious level that taking a 3rd consecutive Slovakian in the 1st round will cause some hesitation and trigger some galaxy brain mistake.

I am not saying that they should take him at 5 as I don't have nearly enough information to say that but he should absolutely be in the conversation. I still have Carlsson and Michkov at the top of my wishlist but I have Dvorsky and Smith in a tight battle for the next spot. I feel really good about this draft and think it is even possible that we get a better player at 5 OA than we got last year at 1 OA

MarkovsKnee said:
So Veleno got a 5 game suspension for that Nino stomp. That means he's out of the tournament.

Maximum amount of games left for Canada is 5.
2 group games, QF, SF & medal game.

If Canada plays less, I guess he has to serve the rest at a later time. It seems doubtful he ever plays for Canada again, but you never know.
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Unless he gets a lot better I would never give him consideration if I was TC leadership.
 
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MadMslm said:
I won’t lie, I have some reservations on Dvorsky.

He was great at the U18, and more importantly he was great when the moment called for it, which is worth something.

But he didn’t impress me in most of the viewings I had of him (except U18). I question his ceiling and his ability to create for others. Not the most explosive skater, feels like he lacks a bit of vision/creativity to set up teammates and I wonder about his ability to enter the zone in possession on a regular basis. You can’t just defer to his shot all the time.

I get why some like him, there’s definitely tools there. People often forget how important puck protection is and how much space it can open on the ice, and he’s good at protecting the puck. Great inside game and good shooting arsenal. He’s also dedicated to play his position and pits effort defensively. He did carry a team on his back during the U18 and that does carry weight.


Ultimately, you’re right when you say a team needs different elements. Just looking at the playoffs, all those teams can play any style you throw at them. They have skill, they can play physical, open up the play or close things up.

I’d be disappointed if he was the pick, I have others ahead and there’s questions about his ceiling, but I won’t throw him rocks.
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The 2nd and 3rd line centers this year are:

Bennett (was a bust), Lundell
Kotkaniemi (apparently is a bust), Staal
Domi (habs 4th liner in the play ins), Johnson
Stephenson, Karlsson (once was useless depth)

We made it to the finals with Suzuki, Danault, Staal

Reinforces the point that both skills and players that fit a playoff brand of hockey are both important to win playoff games. Can’t be too top heavy.

I think our roster is building out nicely to have some stars break out (Cole? Top 5 pick this year? Slaf? One of our many top prospects?), while being on affordable enough contracts to build out and maintain our playoff brand depth.
 
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Estimated_Prophet said:
Dvorsky is a potential stud imo and showed it at the U18's just like his supporters said he would. If he played in the CHL I don't think he would have any detractors. His ceiling is higher than Pastrnak's was at the same age and he has a similar skillset so I am find the low ceiling narrative odd. He quite literally does not appear to have a weakness. His skating is underrated on this site just like Pastrnak/Kucherov/Marner etc are underrated because of the way they choose to approach the game. Watching him skate, his mechanics are really good and the truth is that he only goes as fast as he needs to go. He is a responsible two way center (which in some absurd correlation equates to low ceiling in some people's minds).

I think he is an absolutely perfect fit in Montreal but I do wonder If, even on a subconscious level that taking a 3rd consecutive Slovakian in the 3rd round will cause some hesitation and trigger some galaxy brain mistake.

I am not saying that they should take him at 5 as I don't have nearly enough information to say that but he should absolutely be in the conversation. I still have Carlsson and Michkov at the top of my wishlist but I have Dvorsky and Smith in a tight battle for the next spot. I feel really good about this draft and think it is even possible that we get a better player at 5 OA than we got last year at 1 OA
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It’s not the player himself that I find disappointing. It’s more the fact that if they pick him at 5, I feel there’s better players there which will be the root of that disappointment.

Maybe after a few years, I’ll be completely wrong, and that’s alright. I see why some would have reservations about him because I share some of them.

He isn’t a bad skater, but he lacks that explosiveness. And you’re right, it’s a league thats filled with average skaters, only a few are elite, so in the end it might not be something that will affect his game.

There’s been hype on Dvorsky for a while now, and I have to say he didn’t always leave me impressed. We see every year how someone drafted out of the top 5 ends up better than some of those drafted there and Dvorsky is definitely in a position to fit in that narrative but I could point out to multiple other players from that range that could earn that tag.

I agree that if Carlsson or Michkov are available, there should be no debate to who the pick is. If it’s Smith, I could understand if they look at all the options (even though i would pick Smith before Dvorsky).

I’m just not sure he will exceed that 60pts mark, and his production/impact might end up the same ballpark as a Pavel Zacha.

I do get it though, there’s tools there, I just think there’s better tools on other players.
 
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Ghetto Sangria said:
The 2nd and 3rd line centers this year are:

Bennett (was a bust), Lundell
Kotkaniemi (apparently is a bust), Staal
Domi (habs 4th liner in the play ins), Johnson
Stephenson, Karlsson (once was useless depth)

We made it to the finals with Suzuki, Danault, Staal

Reinforces the point that both skills and players that fit a playoff brand of hockey are both important to win playoff games. Can’t be too top heavy.

I think our roster is building out nicely to have some stars break out (Cole? Top 5 pick this year? Slaf? One of our many top prospects?), while being on affordable enough contracts to build out and maintain our playoff brand depth.
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I agree with that. I think depth is what wins you games in the playoffs. You don’t need to have the most stars or generational talents to win a cup. And I know many clown on Bergevin, but I agree with the “anything can happen in the playoffs”. It’s harder if you team is not good enough, but anybody who makes the show can end up on the winning side. It’s just sad our run ended against a team that was just too good at that time and had elite players at every position.

All the teams in the top 4 this year can play any style that’s required of them.

We don’t need Malkin or McDavid on the first line to win, if you get someone of Suzuki’s talent or a bit better and you have strong depth through your top three lines you can make it, even though it’s easier with someone of their level.
 
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We are agreeing on most points.

I just don't think that the "lack of explosiveness" narrative is entirely justified. I suspect it is more of a choice, especially when that choice is being made by a responsible center who shouldn't be trying to burn himself out by tearing up and down the ice. It could also be true but it wouldn't concern me as he is among the youngest of the top prospects and it would likely only be a strength issue as his skating mechanics are quite good. I am not a fan of making claims without much evidence and that is exactly what I am doing so I will have to wait for him to display it before hanging my hat on anecdotal evidence. Explosiveness is almost always the latest aspect of skating to develop as it is so dependant on strength that is never fully developed at such a young age. The kids might have the fast twitch advantage but they often don't have the necessary hardware to really exploit it.
 
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