Habs are the worst defensive team in the league

StreetHawk

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Yeah, we are three years in the warm and fuzzy stage.

Team has no clue how to play without the puck or how to defend in their own zone but the love fest continues. It was and is still is a PR hiring.
Habs have 2 vets in Savard and Matheson. Guhle had 114 games. X and Barron basically 1 full nhl season of games. Stubble under half a season. Hutson a raw rookie basically.

Habs wanted answers on the kids as to who will be around long term as they have others coming up behind them.

But did they really set themselves up to find out those answers playing that many youngsters at one time? Does it get better after they move off Savard either via trade or ufa? And inserting another raw rookie in his place if most of the other kids don’t take a step this season?
 

Jeune Poulet

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Habs definitely should be seeing progression at this point though, even if it's small increments. There's enough talent on that team and a goalie who keeps you in most games.
Progression in performance isn't always linear. Especially not when a team is hit by waves of significant injuries several years in a row.

But regardless, I think management needs to work harder at building the best roster possible. This team is lacking in several departments.
 

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Correct me if I’m wrong but there are protections on Calgary’s pick that make it a lot more likely that Montreal ends up with Floridas pick no?
Only if Calgary's pick is top 10.

So i'd say they're more likely to get Calgary's pick than Florida's. But that could quickly change.
 

StreetHawk

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But regardless, I think management needs to work harder at building the best roster possible. This team is lacking in several departments.
There has to be an acceptance from the team and fans that a better roster also means adding veterans and not just dropping all of your prospects into the NHL. That may very well mean replacing Savard with another veteran if they don't see the progression they hoped with most of their young blueline vs just add Mailloux/Reinbacher in Savard's spot. Might mean moving off any or all of X/Struble/Barron if they don't show enough this season and letting those 2 kids take their spots.
 

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Now Guhle, Matheson, Slaf all hurt

Things are going to get very ugly in Montreal
 

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Takes a while for the vast majority of young d-man to get good defensively in the NHL. Hutson is an exciting player who is only going to get better in the D zone as he figures things out.

Unfortunately for him the Habs D on the whole isn't too great at the moment. Take a guy like Lohrei, another exciting offensive minded d-man. Still a long way to go for him in his own end (he's improving), but he is much more sheltered due to being on a team with a strong defensive group. Once Hutson and the other young guys play more games the Habs defense will improve quite a bit. Simply going to take some time. The Habs are headed in a good direction.
 
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StreetHawk

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Takes a while for the vast majority of young d-man to get good defensively in the NHL. Hutson is an exciting player who is only going to get better in the D zone as he figures things out.

Unfortunately for him the Habs D on the whole isn't too great at the moment. Take a guy like Lohrei, another exciting offensive minded d-man. Still a long way to go for him in his own end (he's improving), but he is much more sheltered due to being on a team with a strong defensive group. Once Hutson and the other young guys play more games the Habs defense will improve quite a bit. Simply going to take some time. The Habs are headed in a good direction.
Boston has a bunch of Veteran Dman like Lindholm, McAvoy, Carlo, Zadorov who all have hundreds of games of NHL experience under them playing the tough minutes. Peeke had 230 games coming into this season. Wotherspoon had over 50 while Lohrei had 40.

The Bruins have a roster that allows them to shelter Wotherspoon and Lohrei.

Habs have Matheson/Savard and then a massive drop off in experience to Guhle and his 114 games then to Barron in the 90's and X in the 80's for games played. So, did Montreal do a good job in the off-season to set up their roster to develop their young blueline? Or should they have made a call to move off one of X/Struble/Barron in favor of another veteran to help shelter 2/3 of these kids, along with Hutson?
 
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PaulD

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Guessing time

•When do ya pull the trigger ?

•Candidates for next head coach?

Boston has a bunch of Veteran Dman like Lindholm, McAvoy, Carlo, Zadorov who all have hundreds of games of NHL experience under them playing the tough minutes. Peeke had 230 games coming into this season. Wotherspoon had over 50 while Lohrei had 40.

The Bruins have a roster that allows them to shelter Wotherspoon and Lohrei.

Habs have Matheson/Savard and then a massive drop off in experience to Guhle and his 114 games then to Barron in the 90's and X in the 80's for games played. So, did Montreal do a good job in the off-season to set up their roster to develop their young blueline? Or should they have made a call to move off one of X/Struble/Barron in favor of another veteran to help shelter 2/3 of these kids, along with Hutson?
And a real head coach to shelter current coaching staff.
 

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5-6 more years and they'll be in the mix. They need 2-3 more blue chip guys then add the glue depth.

As long as fans realize that (most won't), this will be fun to watch.
 

Jeune Poulet

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There has to be an acceptance from the team and fans that a better roster also means adding veterans and not just dropping all of your prospects into the NHL. That may very well mean replacing Savard with another veteran if they don't see the progression they hoped with most of their young blueline vs just add Mailloux/Reinbacher in Savard's spot. Might mean moving off any or all of X/Struble/Barron if they don't show enough this season and letting those 2 kids take their spots.
I don't really disagree with what you said. They do seem to target young-ish established players (guys in their mid 20s) and reclamation projects, though. And Hughes seems more obsessed with winning individual hockey trades than improving the team by giving it purpose and direction.

Laine was the move at forward. In a vacuum, the price to acquire him is great and I am behind this move. But it's still adding an injury prone, mentally fragile player to a young team that's had major issues with players missing significant chunks of time.

I completely agree with you as far as the defence is concerned. We wouldn't be in this mess if Hughes hadn't played it cute. Instead of drafting Slafkovsky's BBF and that depressing-looking mosquito Newhook, we could have shopped these assets (one first round pick and two 2nd round picks), for actual help on the right side. Even adding a LHD in the trade.

Instead, Hughes squandered those assets and tried to improve RHD by ignoring Michkov and drafting a guy who is a long term project to fix a short term problem.
 

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Players on the team that has only given up 7 goals in 4 games and and 4 at 5 v 5?
leaders are so sensitive
Players on the team that has only given up 7 goals in 4 games and and 4 at 5 v 5?
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Players on the team that has only given up 7 goals in 4 games and and 4 at 5 v 5?
against who ? Have they played a team that made the plsy offs last year yet? ha!
 

HockeyVirus

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Suzuki is getting manhandled at 5v5

He's a #2C who is good all around but not elite with non elite linemates and not much behind him. Kind of like asking Kadri to be your #1C or whatever. He can do it for stretches but he is not good enough to be the guy, but quite valuable down your lineup
 

bossram

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MSL brought some optimism to the Habs, but they probably should have thought more carefully about hiring a guy who only coached PeeWee.

They're not going anywhere and aren't going to take the next step with MSL.
 

FerrisRox

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He's a #2C who is good all around but not elite with non elite linemates and not much behind him. Kind of like asking Kadri to be your #1C or whatever. He can do it for stretches but he is not good enough to be the guy, but quite valuable down your lineup

Only 13 centres in the entire league had more points than Nick Suzuki last year, but you says he's a #2 centre.

How does that work?

How you determine who is and isn't a first line centre, because it appears production has nothing to do with it, so I'd love to know what criteria you are using.
 

kerrabria

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Mike Matheson is their 1D.
I like their long term outlook at forward enough, but they really need one guy in their pipeline to develop into a guy who can lead a top pair defensively.
 
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Ezpz

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Mike Matheson is their 1D.
I like their long term outlook at forward enough, but they really need one of Reinbacher or Mailloux to develop into a guy who can lead a top pair defensively.
Mailloux is the most offensive only oriented d we have. Guhle is the defensive beast but it's hard to play d with four youngsters when Matheson sucks defensively and Savard looks absolutely brutal this year.
 
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