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Seems to be the canned response Devils fans use in every single proposal for the 10th šŸ˜. If you donā€™t want to trade it, just say that and spare everyone the histrionics and forced outrage. Itā€™s a 10th overall pick, not Jack Hughes. Comparable picks have been traded recently for less than I proposed here.

Go ahead and list them then. No team is dropping 16 spots for a 2nd round pick or for a PR nightmare.
 

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Go ahead and list them then. No team is dropping 16 spots for a 2nd round pick or for a PR nightmare.
Oh, so thatā€™s what this is about šŸ˜‚. And the one involving the 2nd round pick wasnā€™t the proposal here.

As for the ā€œlist themā€ part, itā€™s been mentioned in this thread already, so Iā€™m not going to humour you pretending you donā€™t know.
 

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Oh, so thatā€™s what this is about šŸ˜‚. And the one involving the 2nd round pick wasnā€™t the proposal here.

As for the ā€œlist themā€ part, itā€™s been mentioned in this thread already, so Iā€™m not going to humour you pretending you donā€™t know.

lol so you canā€™t because there are no examples here. Got it.
 

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Sorry, but no way Xhekaj has more value than Romanov did at the time. I'm a big fan of Arber, but he is very much a project. Romanov had already proved to be an NHLer and had pedigree.
Romanov took a big step in 21-22, a step which Xhekaj hasn't taken yet.

I could easily see Xhekaj taking that step to being a regular who's very hard to take out of the lineup, and in summer 2025 having value similar to Romanov in summer '22, but it could also work out differently, we can't know. Yet.
 
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There are, but youā€™d like to pretend otherwise for the sake of your narrative/argument. Got it. Itā€™s discussed in this very thread lol.

I've followed this thread and I have no idea what examples you're talking about that were supposedly already discussed.
 
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There are, but youā€™d like to pretend otherwise for the sake of your narrative/argument. Got it. Itā€™s discussed in this very thread lol.

Or you could just state the examples that are allegedly already listed here. Because I legitimately donā€™t see a single one.
 
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Romanov for 13th.
cool, now would you mind pointing me in the direction that got you to this:
"Normally, Iā€™d say something like the 26th + a 2nd would be enough for a pick like 10th overall"
or did you just mean you normally would say this and that it isn't really a normal trade value?

That might ease the confusion
 

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I believe Xhekaj has Romanov value and more.
* Romanov/3rd vs 13th
* Xhekaj/Avs 2nd vs 10th
Huh? What nonsense. Romanov was traded with 133 games played under his belt averaging 19 and a half minutes a night and was a 1st unit PKer by the end of his last season in Montreal. He was very effective defensively and built like a tank. He was also still only 22 at the time and was on a much better d-core. That said, it is widely considered that Montreal fleeced NYI in that deal already.

Xhekaj has 95 games played and averages 15 and a half minutes per game with almost zero special teams time. He doesn't provide much in terms of defense or offense. Only physicality and is almost guaranteed to put his team on the disadvantage once per game. He is also a year older than Romanov too

With Romanov NYI new they were getting a reliable PKer that could slot right into their top 4 and fit the mold and playstyle of their team. With Xhekaj the only thing you are getting that's reliable is his penalty minutes. These are 2 completely different players. On top of that New Jersey is one of the youngest teams in the league and are pushing for contention (obviously by the Markstrom trade). They already have 2 very young developing defensemen on their roster in Hughes and Nemec. Why would they want another young developing defenseman? They are vastly better off spending that cap space on someone like Brenden Dillon to provide more insulation on their blue line.
 

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27 to 11 required 34, the second highest pick in the 2nd round, and 45, mid round, at the 2022 draft.

That was an extremely rare deal. Iā€™d be stunned if that type of trade was available yearly.
 
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good lord, no.

Anderson and Palat are nullifiers. Both have 3 years left and neither one of them had great seasons last year. Similar term/AAV. Devils have been rumored to offer a 1st for Anderson so they obviously like him and see it as a team need.

Xhekaj and Avs 2nd = 10th OA. Xhekaj has Romanov value IMO (and more) and Romanov was traded for the 13th OA pick.

I'm not that desperate to trade Xhekaj. You may think so but this guy is not easy to have on the trade table. He could make us look like a fool for trading but it is the 10th pick the Devils are trading in this trade proposal. Got to give to get.

Xhekaj and Anderson does fit the team needs the Devils are after.
Palat brings value in other areas when he's not scoring at least. Anderson mearly exists, and barely. What a awful comparison,

I knew once the CGY deal went down I knew this would happen lol.
 
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Romanov took a big step in 21-22, a step which Xhekaj hasn't taken yet.

I could easily see Xhekaj taking that step to being a regular who's very hard to take out of the lineup, and in summer 2025 having value similar to Romanov in summer '22, but it could also work out differently, we can't know. Yet.
Fair enough but teams don't usually pay as much for an asset that might take that next step.
 

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cool, now would you mind pointing me in the direction that got you to this:
"Normally, Iā€™d say something like the 26th + a 2nd would be enough for a pick like 10th overall"
or did you just mean you normally would say this and that it isn't really a normal trade value?

That might ease the confusion
This draft is deeper at the top, imo, so I donā€™t feel thatā€™s enough to get into the top 15 this year. Hence, the Mailloux + 26th offer.

Mailloux + 26th > 26th + 2nd

Mailloux + 26th > Romanov
 

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Fair enough but teams don't usually pay as much for an asset that might take that next step.
That's kind of my point.

I'd say Xhekaj is worth a top-30 pick now (ie, far cry from a 10th overall), and could be worth a top-15 next summer if he takes that next step.
 

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Not a mediocre bottom pairing D though. He's got more potential than that. Harris is a mediocre bottom pairing D. There is a big difference on where we see Harris in the future and where Xhekaj could be. Once he reaches top 4D (if he does), he's worth more than the 10th OA pick.
Itā€™s really interesting how this works. Since itā€™s a Habs player, he gets the value of his potential. Never mind the fact that he couldnā€™t stick in the NHL and was demoted to the AHL. No, thatā€™s preposterous, he should be valued based on his absolute ceiling! (IE a top ten pick or more). But, when it comes to another teams player, such as Zegras, itā€™s no longer about his potential or even the fact that heā€™s already had 60+ points in both his first two full seasons. Itā€™s all about his injury riddled season and will this now be the player he is going forward. In fact, because of that, heā€™s now barely worthy a first round pick.
 

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This draft is deeper at the top, imo, so I donā€™t feel thatā€™s enough to get into the top 15 this year. Hence, the Mailloux + 26th offer.

Mailloux + 26th > 26th + 2nd

Mailloux + 26th > Romanov
How many NHL games has Mailoux played? about the same as Romanov when he was traded? If you don't want a canned response how bout actually doing research on what the Devils need instead of half-assing it.

Mailoux doesn't help the Devils at all.
 

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That's kind of my point.

I'd say Xhekaj is worth a top-30 pick now (ie, far cry from a 10th overall), and could be worth a top-15 next summer if he takes that next step.
The kid might reach his potential one day and be worth a top 10 pick but until then no one is trading a top 10 pick based on potential. I mean other than using the pick to draft obviously.
 

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How many NHL games has Mailoux played? about the same as Romanov when he was traded? If you don't want a canned response how bout actually doing research on what the Devils need instead of half-assing it.

Mailoux doesn't help the Devils at all.
I said ā€œsomething likeā€. If you donā€™t like it, thatā€™s fine, but the value is more than fair, doesnā€™t matter what you say. Like I said, weā€™re talking about a 10th overall pick here, not Jack Hughes.
 

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Anderson has negative value. The cost to move off three years of him would be a lot. Maybe make it the Habā€™s first and the Devils second that could balance this?
Palat's also negative value, maybe even more than Anderson. It ultimately comes down to Xhekaj+Avs 2nd for 10th OA which is still a terrible trade for the Devils.
 
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Xirik

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I said ā€œsomething likeā€. If you donā€™t like it, thatā€™s fine, but the value is more than fair, doesnā€™t matter what you say. Like I said, weā€™re talking about a 10th overall pick here, not Jack Hughes.
no it isn't and it's laughable that you think so. There's a reason why both Hab's fans and all other fanbases never like your trade threads.

saying "10th overall pick here, not Jack Hughes' might sound so smart that you feel the need to repeat it but it just shows how ignorant and disingenuous you are.

Nobody compared the 10th OV pick to Jack Hughes. You did.
 
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