LeBrun: Guentzel: Pens want prospects over picks - Carolina favorite

[Zbynek]

I wouldn't trade Kakko straight up for Guentzel nonetheless with a 1st attached. Unless Sid is coming with him, Guentzel does nothing for me. You'll get the same production from someone like Duclair for a fraction of the price.

This post is absolutely insane

 

[FerrisRox]

Does this make you feel better about Treliving trading 3rd rounders for shit depth defensemen?

Why would I care what Treliving does?

I think you have me confused with someone else.

 

[Tact]

Mikheyev, Podkolzin, Raty, Silovs, 1st in 25’ (top 15 protected) for Guentzel retained.

Willing to add a minor pick conditional if we win a round in playoffs etc.

Not sure why Pens wouldn’t accept that

 

[K Fleur]

Kakko is the drizzling shits.

It’s gonna be 2035 one day and people here will still be talking about how he’s going to break out any day now.

 

[End of Line]

View attachment 831324

Ordering in to PF Changs again I see

 

[Turin]

Mikheyev, Podkolzin, Raty, Silovs, 1st in 25’ (top 15 protected) for Guentzel retained.

Willing to add a minor pick conditional if we win a round in playoffs etc.

Not sure why Pens wouldn’t accept that

Because that’s a bunch of shit that has a better than 50% chance of having no value in the future. That’s an Armstrong, Christensen, Esposito and late first package except maybe worse.

 

[Three On Zero]

Kakko is the drizzling shits.

It’s gonna be 2035 one day and people here will still be talking about how he’s going to break out any day now.

It would be like getting a 1st and 3rd/4th round pick equivalent

 

[Turin]

Guentzel can play RW

IMO he’s arguably better on RW which makes it annoying that he’s never played there since Sheary left

 

[Ogelthorpe]

Mikheyev, Podkolzin, Raty, Silovs, 1st in 25’ (top 15 protected) for Guentzel retained.

Willing to add a minor pick conditional if we win a round in playoffs etc.

Not sure why Pens wouldn’t accept that

Because Dubas said he wants quality not quantity.

 

[lakeshirts37]

I wouldn't trade Kakko straight up for Guentzel nonetheless with a 1st attached. Unless Sid is coming with him, Guentzel does nothing for me. You'll get the same production from someone like Duclair for a fraction of the price.

You absolutely would not get the same production from Duclair

 

[Empoleon8771]

So if we're going to ignore the Hurricanes GM literally saying 2 weeks ago that they don't pay premium assets for rentals and this, then sure. Carolina is in! They might even be offering Nikishin!

I trust Friedman literally saying "Carolina has an offer for Guentzel that Pittsburgh sees value in".

Sounds like you're just bitter your team is going to have to settle on Zucker because the Penguins wouldn't take scraps for Guentzel.

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

So if we're going to ignore the Hurricanes GM literally saying 2 weeks ago that they don't pay premium assets for rentals and this, then sure. Carolina is in! They might even be offering Nikishin!

No wanting to do something doesn’t preclude them from doing it anyway.

Case in point, Ken Holland traded a 1st for a rental for the very first time in an over 25 year GM career just yesterday.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Mikheyev, Podkolzin, Raty, Silovs, 1st in 25’ (top 15 protected) for Guentzel retained.

Willing to add a minor pick conditional if we win a round in playoffs etc.

Not sure why Pens wouldn’t accept that

Your team doesn't have the assets to get Guentzel without trading Hoglander or Lekkerimaki. Your own team has admitted that.

 

[JimmyG89]

This post is absolutely insane

When he is away from Crosby, he becomes just another guy. Even his stats with Malkin are trash.

Crosby makes average wingers good, good wingers great, and great wingers excellent. He's done it forever. Guentzel is not the exception to the rule. I am not moving a 23 YO 3rd line winger with team control for two more seasons for a rental that has no shot to re-sign here. Sorry, not good business at all.

 

[BoHorvat 53]

I trust Friedman literally saying "Carolina has an offer for Guentzel that Pittsburgh sees value in".

Sounds like you're just bitter your team is going to have to settle on Zucker because the Penguins wouldn't take scraps for Guentzel.

Meh, not bitter - I've been saying the west is too deep and that there's no point in wasting assets on Guentzel when he isn't going to be enough of a difference maker to propel us over some of these other teams. Someone like Toffoli makes more sense for us - anything that doesn't cost Hoglander/Willander/Lekkerimaki.

 

[vanarchy]

Your team doesn't have the assets to get Guentzel without trading Hoglander or Lekkerimaki. Your own team has admitted that.

We got that the first 65 times you posted it, man.

 

[Empoleon8771]

When he is away from Crosby, he becomes just another guy. Even his stats with Malkin are trash.

View attachment 831427

Crosby makes average wingers good, good wingers great, and great wingers excellent. He's done it forever. Guentzel is not the exception to the rule. I am not moving a 23 YO 3rd line winger with team control for two more seasons for a rental that has no shot to re-sign here. Sorry, not good business at all.

Dude that's a 120 minute sample size.

We got that the first 65 times you posted it, man.

Maybe stop offering shit packages that aren't even in the same stratosphere as what's being offered for Guentzel

 

[vanarchy]

Maybe stop offering shit packages that aren't even in the same stratosphere as what's being offered for Guentzel

I didn't offer anything. Stop generalizing whole fanbases, it's childish.

 

[BoHorvat 53]

When he is away from Crosby, he becomes just another guy. Even his stats with Malkin are trash.

View attachment 831427

Crosby makes average wingers good, good wingers great, and great wingers excellent. He's done it forever. Guentzel is not the exception to the rule. I am not moving a 23 YO 3rd line winger with team control for two more seasons for a rental that has no shot to re-sign here. Sorry, not good business at all.

Ehh, he isn't really a play driver so not surprised his results without Crosby aren't good. If you're looking for that Buchnevich is a much better target ironically

 

[Nakawick]

I wouldn't trade Kakko straight up for Guentzel nonetheless with a 1st attached. Unless Sid is coming with him, Guentzel does nothing for me. You'll get the same production from someone like Duclair for a fraction of the price.

Are you a Petr Prucha fan by any chance.

 

[JimmyG89]

Dude that's a 120 minute sample size.

Yeah and even Mike Sullivan can figure out to not play him with anyone else.

 

[Empoleon8771]

I didn't offer anything. Stop generalizing whole fanbases, it's childish.

I was replying to a guy making an offer.

Yeah and even Mike Sullivan can figure out to not play him with anyone else.

That monstrously stupid logic.

 

[w e l o s t b o y s]

I trust Friedman literally saying "Carolina has an offer for Guentzel that Pittsburgh sees value in".

Sounds like you're just bitter your team is going to have to settle on Zucker because the Penguins wouldn't take scraps for Guentzel.

When Friedman says "Carolina has an offer for Guentzel that Pittsburgh sees value in" is he saying that Carolina has made an offer or that they have the assets to make an offer? A lot of the heat from Carolina seems to me like Friedman just having the opinion that they should go for it and have a lot of prospects.

 

[Empoleon8771]

When Freidman says "Carolina has an offer for Guentzel that Pittsburgh sees value in" is he saying that Carolina has made an offer or that they have the assets to make an offer? A lot of the heat from Carolina seems to me like Friedman just having the opinion that they should go for it and have a lot of prospects.

Carolina has made an offer. That's what Friedman said.

From the talk before:

-Canes have made an offer, and Friedman believes that they're willing to do something they haven't done before with a rental.
-Rangers had to acquire a center before going all-in on Guentzel
-Vegas wanted to acquire Hanifin and see what they had left to offer for Guentzel
-Colorado jumped in after clearing out Johansen's deal

Teams were telling Pittsburgh "they had to get some business done, but then we're in", but it seems like that has since happened with the Rangers acquiring Wennberg and Vegas getting Hanifin. Friedman says a bunch of these teams are in on Guentzel after "finishing their business".

Friedman finished this with saying that he thinks the Penguins saw value in Carolina's offer, but they were holding up because other teams were saying "we want to talk Guentzel after finishing up a few other things".

So more or less, Dubas didn't overplay his hand according to Friedman.

 

[JimmyG89]

Are you a Petr Prucha fan by any chance.

Prucha was fantastic at tapping in passes from Jagr on the PP in that first season after the lockout. Shame he had no idea how to protect himself. He would have had a decent NHL career as a 3rd line type.