LeBrun: Guentzel: Pens want prospects over picks - Carolina favorite

[SEALBound]

It doesn't matter he will post more than you. And out post you on the subject

He was so certain Reilly Smith was going to be great for Malkin and posted it hundreds of times last year.

Now he's certain the core can't compete, which is fine and thats his opinion. Fortunately management doesn't see it that way and will see it through with the core


Dubas prefers prospects that are ready now

To be fair, Smith-Malkin-Rakell was a VERY solid line early in the year. Until it just magically wasn't.

 

[66-30-33]

Pens still could resign Guentzel at the end of the year. They are punting on this year. They can get some assets now, and they still have the same chance at signing Guentzel at years end as they do by not getting assets.

Knowing us we will get assets and next season go "all in" and not make it.

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

How are you getting Eichel's wingers? Way easier said than done.

The only way the Penguins core ends up being good enough to contend with other team's core is if you change the Penguins core. By the time it's good enough to compete with other team's cores, I don't think Malkin is a core player anymore.

Yeah, if this team somehow acquired a prime aged Stone and Eichel, I'd feel way better about the status of their core. How exactly are they doing that?

That's doable, but beside the point. The point is that our core isn't the issue, if surrounded properly.

 

[3ladesof5teel]

To be fair, Smith-Malkin-Rakell was a VERY solid line early in the year. Until it just magically wasn't.

I had no problem bringing him in but to lean on him and not get a legit 2 winger was a mistake. Great middle 6 guy but not the answer for us

 

[Bishop7979]

That's not the issue here, the issue is that their core is nowhere near good enough to compete with other cores.

Yes, it's great that they're paid well for what they bring, but they need a better core to contend with other teams. To get players of that level, it's going to take assets the Penguins simply do not have. There is no feasible way out of the downswing they've been on for the past few years that doesn't involve doing something insanely stupid and risky.

They just added Karlsson last off-season and they saw no improvement, and now the 1st they gave up in that deal is at risk of being high. If that's not a glaring red flag that their window is closed, I don't know what is.

They aren't going to ever see any improvement if they don't change coaches.

 

[Ryder71]

They aren't going to ever see any improvement if they don't change coaches.

They're not gonna see any meaningful improvement until the dinosaurs are gone either. Amazing how anyone cannot see it.

 

[Empoleon8771]

NY would be insane to trade Perreault and a 1st for Guentzel but I'm all here for their insanity

 

[3ladesof5teel]

They're not gonna see any meaningful improvement until the dinosaurs are gone either. Amazing how anyone cannot see it.

Yes because dinosaurs scoring at a PPG pace are washed.

Make it make sense

If you want to talk Jeff Carter sure, the others aren't the issue. What you surround them with and coaching philosophies are.

I am actually amazed at what Malkin has been able to do with the linemates he has had this season.

 

[molon labe]

I had no problem bringing him in but to lean on him and not get a legit 2 winger was a mistake. Great middle 6 guy but not the answer for us

Classic money mismanagement really.

Instead of saving for a need or rearranging finances for a need - spend for the sake of spending.

What's extra maddening with Smith was that he's a F'n carbon copy of Zucker, whom we already had and didn't work! Utter insanity that's been par for the course in Pittsburgh. Trying the same damn roster over and over and over and over and over and over and then acting like you don't understand why the results continually get worse. Maybe we are run by idiots after all.

Grinder depth out, grinder depth in. Fail.
PMD anchored by weak defenders out, PMD anchored by weak defenders in. Fail.
No-hands top-6 support sidecar players out, no-hands top-6 support players in. Fail.

I mean they haven't even TRIED to go about things differently or out of the box. It's literally Sullivanized rosters to varying (worsening) degrees each and every year since the cup runs.

NY would be insane to trade Perreault and a 1st for Guentzel but I'm all here for their insanity

They don't have the same contract issues the Canes have, so it is a bit curious.

Maybe they just look at this year for what it is - up for grabs, truly. No powerhouse teams - just a ton of paper tigers (one more reason to be upset the Pens didn't actually try this year and make adjustments - not getting any easier in the following years).

Shesterkin/Miller are the only guys I see that are coming due for contracts but by then the cap will likely have raised enough to offset. So yeah, the whole all-in has got to be a combination of favorable playoff matchups this year AND the fact that it's Guentzel.

 

[LaffyTaffy13]

If there rangers part with a 1st and one of perrault/othmann for a rental ill riot.

What id be okay with

2024 1st, Adam Sykora, Matthew Robertson, 2026 conditional 3rd that turns to a 2025 1st if the rangers win the cup

 

[66-30-33]

NY would be insane to trade Perreault and a 1st for Guentzel but I'm all here for their insanity

I want chaos...Perreault and Othman for Jake at 50%. I WANNA SEE BUTTHURT PEOPLE!!! even if it's me getting butthurt.

 

[Empoleon8771]

If there rangers part with a 1st and one of perrault/othmann for a rental ill riot.

What id be okay with

2024 1st, Adam Sykora, Matthew Robertson, 2026 conditional 3rd that turns to a 2025 1st if the rangers win the cup

Prepare to riot then lol

Perreault would be asinine but Othmann and a 1st is entirely believable.

 

[Ryder71]

Yes because dinosaurs scoring at a PPG pace are washed.

Make it make sense

If you want to talk Jeff Carter sure, the others aren't the issue. What you surround them with and coaching philosophies are.

Genos a point a game player, you sure? Maybe look that up?

In addition they're only gonna get worse with each passing year. Something clearly you're not factoring in. ITS OVER! And it's gonna be a very painful time for PPL like you who simply wanna hold onto the big names and think they are anywhere close to the players they once were. It's an illness for you and you will learn just how very off your assessment is. Me, I know we're toast. Just wanna accumulate quality picks and prospects in the process.

 

[Gardner McKay]

If there rangers part with a 1st and one of perrault/othmann for a rental ill riot.

What id be okay with

2024 1st, Adam Sykora, Matthew Robertson, 2026 conditional 3rd that turns to a 2025 1st if the rangers win the cup

I'd be livid if we trade Othmann.

I'd consider no longer watching this team if we trade Perrault for a rental.

 

[Bishop7979]

I want chaos...Perreault and Othman for Jake at 50%. I WANNA SEE BUTTHURT PEOPLE!!! even if it's me getting butthurt.

Some people just want to see the world burn

 

[newsportsfan123]

That would be an underwhelming return (Othmann).

 

[66-30-33]

Some people just want to see the world burn

f***in rights!

 

[3ladesof5teel]

I want chaos...Perreault and Othman for Jake at 50%. I WANNA SEE BUTTHURT PEOPLE!!! even if it's me getting butthurt.

And then signing Jake in the off-season on a sweet contract allowing room with freed up cap space to clean out the mess, including the coaching. And getting what we need.

One more year to go all in

 

[LaffyTaffy13]

I'd be livid if we trade Othmann.

I'd consider no longer watching this team if we trade Perrault for a rental.

Hell i dont even wanna move berard and a 1st. Berard is a lock for a solid 10+ year bottom 6 winger

 

[Toby Flenderson]

NY would be insane to trade Perreault and a 1st for Guentzel but I'm all here for their insanity

I think NY is under a lot of pressure to win. Iconic team that seems to always fall short. They have an amazing team this year and adding JG probably puts them over the top in the East. I could see an overpayment.

Perreault doesn’t seem to be in the same category as Lekkerimaki or Nikishin. Adding a 1st is probably too much but him as the centerpiece seems reasonable.

 

[Empoleon8771]

I don't know who this guy is but apparently a bunch of NYR twitter follows him and takes his word

 

[Ryder71]

1205pm rangers are in for Jake
1223pm Van is the front runner for Jake
1242pm Car has the best package for Jake
1246pm VEG all in on Jake
1257pm FLA back in the fray
103pm LA Kings poking around on Jake
108pm COL kicking the tires

 

[3ladesof5teel]

Genos a point a game player, you sure? Maybe look that up?

In addition they're only gonna get worse with each passing year. Something clearly you're not factoring in. ITS OVER! And it's gonna be a very painful time for PPL like you who simply wanna hold onto the big names and think they are anywhere close to the players they once were. It's an illness for you and you will learn just how very off your assessment is. Me, I know we're toast. Just wanna accumulate quality picks and prospects in the process.

48 points in 60 games is absolutely fine with me. Have you seen his linemates. Colin White, Valteri Puustinen, Drew O'Connor, Reilly Smith.

Shocking he's even able to keep that pace.

 

[Bishop7979]

Genos a point a game player, you sure? Maybe look that up?

In addition they're only gonna get worse with each passing year. Something clearly you're not factoring in. ITS OVER! And it's gonna be a very painful time for PPL like you who simply wanna hold onto the big names and think they are anywhere close to the players they once were. It's an illness for you and you will learn just how very off your assessment is. Me, I know we're toast. Just wanna accumulate quality picks and prospects in the process.

I feel that if they had a new coaching staff and made a few smart moves that involved getting younger/faster they could at least be entertaining and squeak into the playoffs with sid one more time.

And really I have seen 5 cups in my lifetime, I'm ok just watching fun hockey again even if they are not contenders again anytime soon.

Getting a second line center and moving Geno to wing would be a great start.

 

[Empoleon8771]

That would be an underwhelming return (Othmann).

I don't think Othmann is a worse prospect than Morrow, so I don't really agree here.

Othmann is absolutely a B+ headliner piece I'd be happy with.