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[Wisp]

i don't feel bad for Bear. The Canucks offered him a path back and he went mercenary.

 

[im gangster]

i don't feel bad for Bear. The Canucks offered him a path back and he went mercenary.

I don't wanna see him here. It's shit optics for him to come here and underwhelm, then suffer an obviously unfair fate at the hands of the cruel, heartless Canucks management.

 

[lawrence]

https://puckpedia.com/player/filip-zadina

crazy he doesn't have a NHL contract. the guy famously drafted right before Quinn Hughes.

 

[Hooz]

Anybody know how the BC boy John Ludvig played for the Pens last year? I remember he had some supporters around here a year ago

 

[ziploc]

https://puckpedia.com/player/filip-zadina

crazy he doesn't have a NHL contract. the guy famously drafted right before Quinn Hughes.

Wingers take a long time to develop. We won't know what kind of player he really is for a few more years.

 

[Phrasing]

Wingers take a long time to develop. We won't know what kind of player he really is for a few more years.

Been saying about Tyler Myers. Any day now.

 

[F A N]

Maybe my wording is off, low impact perhaps is better. Which is often a good result for a 4th liner. He did hit a tonne, and played fast but his hits didn't do a heck of a lot either. He wasn't an overly hard hitter like a Raffi Torres, Kostin, Sherwood, Clutterbuck, etc. He did chip in some timely goals for sure. He's also going into year 11 compared to Aman's 2nd.

Don't get me wrong I loved me some Motte. Point is he wasn't and isn't some incredible top notch 4th liner. Aman is also a very good PKer. Not saying Motte was bad but at the end of the day he was overall somewhat effective, much like Aman. Nils doesn't hit much but his choice of coverage angles and speed accomplishes much of the same. The puck staying out of our net.

Motte wasn't a feared player but his hits aren't the rub a player off the puck either. I think your impression or memory differs from many here. Motte was paid like a 4th line player, at his best played like a 3rd line player, but mostly played on the team's 4th line. He's kind of like Hansen. Hansen was nothing special when playing a top 6 role but he was very good in a 3rd line role.

We can disagree on effectiveness but I think we can agree that the play style is different. Motte plays a style that helps him stay in the league. Aman doesn't. Motte also has had some notable playoff performances. Aman hasn't. What Aman is "better" at is that he can play C and he is bigger. But the value of that is lessened by the fact that Aman hasn't managed to be decent at faceoffs and he doesn't use his size.

Also the Motte at the start of his canucks tenure was more at the level of Matthew Highmore but by then end of it was a 3rd line level player (who couldn't stay healthy).

Motte had also just turned 22 at the start of his Canucks tenure and in his 2nd pro season.

 

[Ernie]

i don't feel bad for Bear. The Canucks offered him a path back and he went mercenary.

Yeah he did a whole bait and switch, doubt the Canucks are interested.

 

[arttk]

Yeah he did a whole bait and switch, doubt the Canucks are interested.

Hard to blame him. Caps gave him 4M and we offered him like 1.2?

 

[Wisp]

Hard to blame him. Caps gave him 4M and we offered him like 1.2?

I think long term he'd be even better positioned with Van.

 

[arttk]

I think long term he'd be even better positioned with Van.

Hard to tell. He could bet on himself and then lose and then end up taking like a min wage role the season after.

 

[Billy Kvcmu]

I have a serious question

Where did Nils Aman come from?

Like tbh, I know he joined the team around 2023 but I basically checked out during the 22-23 season.

Came back at the beginning of 23-24 and all of a sudden there’s this Swedish 4th liner who came out of nowhere

He wasn’t bad but was so unnoticeable most of the nights that I often forgot he’s on the team

 

[im gangster]

I have a serious question

Where did Nils Aman come from?

Like tbh, I know he joined the team around 2023 but I basically checked out during the 22-23 season.

Came back at the beginning of 23-24 and all of a sudden there’s this Swedish 4th liner who came out of nowhere

He wasn’t bad but was so unnoticeable most of the nights that I often forgot he’s on the team

Unsigned Avalanche draft pick we picked up for nothing.

 

[David71]

what if van aquired swayman. trade demko give his uncertainty with his future/injuries.

 

[RobertKron]

I have a serious question

Where did Nils Aman come from?

Like tbh, I know he joined the team around 2023 but I basically checked out during the 22-23 season.

Came back at the beginning of 23-24 and all of a sudden there’s this Swedish 4th liner who came out of nowhere

He wasn’t bad but was so unnoticeable most of the nights that I often forgot he’s on the team

He's from Sweden.

 

[Killer Orcas]

i will bet that the bruins would happily pay swayman his ask if not for the universal risks of goalies. since the price and bobrovsky deals i think the league has built in a huge discount for goalies on long term deals relative to their value to the team.

goaltending is one position where an exception for performance bonuses could be made so they can earn more. they are a huge risk on consistency and longevity so teams will pay them less than their value to the team to hedge that risk.

Goalies are almost like relief pitchers in baseball. Besides the odd few you get both ends of the spectrum from season to season.

 

[tyhee]

what if van aquired swayman. trade demko give his uncertainty with his future/injuries.

Then Vancouver would be faced with paying Swayman, whose reported ask is considerably higher than Vancouver is now paying for Demko, Lankinen, Silovs and Tolopilo combined.

 

[Baby Pettersson]

what if van aquired swayman. trade demko give his uncertainty with his future/injuries.

Can't afford his 8.5M x 8 Year ask.

 

[Vancouver_2010]

Wingers take a long time to develop. We won't know what kind of player he really is for a few more years.

I know its too late now, but i dont see why not a PTO for him to play for us? He did score 13 goals last season playing for the sharks, the worst team in the nhl.

 

[Nick Lang]

Motte wasn't a feared player but his hits aren't the rub a player off the puck either. I think your impression or memory differs from many here. Motte was paid like a 4th line player, at his best played like a 3rd line player, but mostly played on the team's 4th line. He's kind of like Hansen. Hansen was nothing special when playing a top 6 role but he was very good in a 3rd line role.

We can disagree on effectiveness but I think we can agree that the play style is different. Motte plays a style that helps him stay in the league. Aman doesn't. Motte also has had some notable playoff performances. Aman hasn't. What Aman is "better" at is that he can play C and he is bigger. But the value of that is lessened by the fact that Aman hasn't managed to be decent at faceoffs and he doesn't use his size.



Motte had also just turned 22 at the start of his Canucks tenure and in his 2nd pro season.

Yeah I'm willing to admit that as a couple people have replied likewise. However I still think people are a little misguided/romanticize what Motte actually provided. As someone mentioned he actually displayed effort during a time where we sucked big time, which made people appreciate him a little extra. He gave us third line minutes because our team was absolutely horrible. Sorry, he's not a third liner on any good team, except for maybe a brief flash in the pan. Other than that he's good for maybe 14 points a season (only topped 10 points twice). If he's on your third line your team absolutely blows. No where close to Jannick Hansen, not even the same ballpark.

Being that he helped us achieve exactly nothing during his time here I would say 4th liners who do that are pretty much a dime a dozen. While Aman hasn't set the world on fire I think it's a little foolhardy to think he can't achieve a Motte level of success or better. I also wouldn't say his play style won't allow him to stay in the league either as so far it has done just that. In that regard I'm glad the powers that run our team aren't so quick to pass judgement.

Not sure why some people are in such a hurry to write him off. Impatience I would guess. Citing his lack of playoff performance just highlights the shortsighted bias. Last year was only his second in the league, and we had one of the worst teams in history his first year. Motte's face-off stats are also pretty underwhelming. Aman took more face-offs in one year than Motte in 8 and has better stats in comparison his first two years.

I have to chuckle to myself as I'm not some huge Aman fan or anything but I guess I'm just defending basic hockey knowledge. I would say replace him if we can find better but until then bitching about a midline #5 center is somewhat absurd imo.

 

[wonton15]

Claim them

 

[SelltheTeamFrancesco]

Anybody know how the BC boy John Ludvig played for the Pens last year? I remember he had some supporters around here a year ago

Just got claimed by Colorado.

 

[andora]

Just got claimed by Colorado.

Nice pickup..

 

[Mr. Canucklehead]

Good news that Hirose is healthy again. Also gives us a bit more breathing room cap wise (him starting on IR would have complicated things)

 

[F A N]

Yeah I'm willing to admit that as a couple people have replied likewise. However I still think people are a little misguided/romanticize what Motte actually provided. As someone mentioned he actually displayed effort during a time where we sucked big time, which made people appreciate him a little extra. He gave us third line minutes because our team was absolutely horrible. Sorry, he's not a third liner on any good team, except for maybe a brief flash in the pan. Other than that he's good for maybe 14 points a season (only topped 10 points twice). If he's on your third line your team absolutely blows. No where close to Jannick Hansen, not even the same ballpark.

The comparison to Hansen was made in context of how good they performed in a role they were used in and paid to be. I specifically mentioned that Motte at best played like a 3rd liner but spent most of the time on the 4th line. In that context he was and is a superior 4th line player to Aman.

Being that he helped us achieve exactly nothing during his time here I would say 4th liners who do that are pretty much a dime a dozen. While Aman hasn't set the world on fire I think it's a little foolhardy to think he can't achieve a Motte level of success or better. I also wouldn't say his play style won't allow him to stay in the league either as so far it has done just that. In that regard I'm glad the powers that run our team aren't so quick to pass judgement.

So any 4th player who outperforms on a bad team achieves nothing and is pretty much a dime a dozen? That doesn't extend to other players playing higher up in the lineup?

Not sure why some people are in such a hurry to write him off. Impatience I would guess. Citing his lack of playoff performance just highlights the shortsighted bias. Last year was only his second in the league, and we had one of the worst teams in history his first year. Motte's face-off stats are also pretty underwhelming. Aman took more face-offs in one year than Motte in 8 and has better stats in comparison his first two years.

I have to chuckle to myself as I'm not some huge Aman fan or anything but I guess I'm just defending basic hockey knowledge. I would say replace him if we can find better but until then bitching about a midline #5 center is somewhat absurd imo.

The Canucks finished 22nd in points in Aman's first year. How is that one of he worst teams in history? I think Motte played on far worse teams.

I don't know why you are mentioning Motte's faceoff stats here. He isn't a C. He is a winger. Meanwhile, Aman's value is that he can play C but that value decreases if he can't consistently win faceoffs. For me that's signifcant because if Aman is an elite at faceoffs then combined with his PK and defensive abilities that sets him apart.

Motte spent the majority of his time here with Malhotra-like defensive deployment playing on a worse team. What he managed to accomplish is more impressive than what Aman has done. I'm not completely writing him off. I've been saying he needs to do more. I also don't see why it's "absurd" to discuss reasonable areas for improvement. We can't just go out and find a #3 Dman or even find a long term 3C that fits our cap and move Bluegar down to 4C for a price we are willing to pay. But we can find ways to improve our 4th line. We did that last year adding Lafferty and this year we signed Sprong to a bargain contract. We've given Aman opportunities. If he isn't going to develop into a more useful player we can give that opportunity to a player like Raty.

The window for a lot of prospects to secure a spot a spot as legitimate NHL player is short. A guy like Dalpe we got when he was 24. He hasn't played as many NHL games since. Same with Gaunce or Schroeder etc. If Aman doesn't take a big step forward this season his NHL career will be mostly done.