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[Horvat1C]

I think the most likely scenario is that Miller could feel himself starting to go down the same path he did at the start of the 2022-23 season where his bad habits and attitude were visibly sinking the team. He probably got to this point after some terrible losses, being extra irritable while dealing with an injury and some other factors behind the scenes, whether personal or team related. Tocchet benching him was the final straw and either Miller or the organization suggested a break to reset.

If this is the case, the team has had success with him and they'll be back to working together to win.

 

[JanBulisPiggyBack]

Saying no to the 2nd one just because I never want to watch Mikheyev play in a Canucks sweater again. Plus my 2nd Cousin's butcher's brother's gardener's girlfriend's optometrist's dogwalker says that Bedard is going to sign here a free agent.

Bedard is cooked, just look at the this small sample size, it clearly shows he doesn’t have what it takes
I’m tired of reclamation projects, might be a useful player down in Abbotsford but he’s gonna just be taking away power play time from Anthony Romani

 

[Jerry the great]

Thanks for the link. I listened and it's two guys that are upset that the reason for why he's out isn't public.

more confused and curious than upset IMO....they're only human after all . Hard to fault them for wondering allowed, it's kind of an absurd situation. Like when have we heard of anything remotely like this happening?

The timing of it was weird - right after getting benched - and the way it was disclosed generated more questions than answers

If it was in any way, shape or form, injury related....wouldn't they just put him on IR and keep him away from the media?

If there is an issue between him and Pettersson, watching that extension process unfold, then the subsequent disappearing act in the playoffs and again to start the year, it isn't hard to imagine Miller eventually snapping. Watching someone get paid like that and then play like that would be (should be?) impossible to let go.

JT is a hot head (not a complaint) it isn't hard to imagine a scenario where he comes out and says something like either he goes or I go. In that situation you can kind of imagine the team responding the way they did. Acknowledge that there's an issue, while keeping it mostly contained and all bridges still intact. Team was about to go on a long road trip anyway.....hopefully everyone feels differently in a week and a path through this mess becomes visible.

IMO, he'll either be back with the team on Thursday, or there's an earthquake coming

 

[sandwichbird2023]

Reading these JTM rumors makes me sad. We had one of the leagues best 1-2C punch as recent as December 2023, potentially 2 centers capable of scoring 100 points and playing good 2 way hockey. Since then Petey's been hobbled and still not back to 100%, and now JTM wants out!? I hope its not true but there is no way Allvin can replace him in the short term, our C depth will be decimated. What a turn of event if he does wants out, and not in a good way.

 

[Bleach Clean]

Except he wasn't sheltered last year and and across the board had very solid possession numbers. He may take some dumb penalties but he draws more than he takes.

This is a player who playing poorly right now and makes some obvious mistakes even when he's on this game, but is overall very much a net positive player.

Unlike Sprong, he is a hard worker, has a good personality, brings a physical edge, and has proven to be coachable.

Chances are very high that the Canucks will lose the trade if they trade him away for less than the value he brings. It would be dumb to trade him right now when he's struggling but that's probably why teams are calling, because they're hoping the Canucks do something dumb.

Agreed. The trade value of an asset is determined at the time of execution, and not before. If VAN trades Hoglander now, they likely lose that deal imo.

The key fact with Hoglander is that it's the lack of ice (due to inconsistent defense) that holds back his offense, not his actual skill level. He rode a high shooting percentage last year, sure, but his skill was evident throughout. That's what teams are after. (Buzzsaw nature a bonus)

A rising cap brings with it a sentiment that controlled money at the mid-high end is valuable. In fact, there were earlier rumours that the Canucks were after players with term on their deals so as to gain efficiency in the approaching market, which is smart. I think that applies here too. Hoglander's contract will be seen as a positive to those teams who view him as a middle6/top6 solution... but now is not the time to deal him. This isn't Kuzmenko-level... yet.

 

[Phrasing]

Reading these JTM rumors makes me sad. We had one of the leagues best 1-2C punch as recent as December 2023, potentially 2 centers capable of scoring 100 points and playing good 2 way hockey. Since then Petey's been hobbled and still not back to 100%, and now JTM wants out!? I hope it’s not true but there is no way Allvin can replace him in the short term, our C depth will be decimated. What a turn of event if he does wants out, and not in a good way.

There’s no truth to this rumor. Should be shut down and ignored until actually from a verifiable source.

 

[JanBulisPiggyBack]

There’s no truth to this rumor. Should be shut down and ignored until actually from a verifiable source.

Agreed. The trade value of an asset is determined at the time of execution, and not before. If VAN trades Hoglander now, they likely lose that deal imo.

The key fact with Hoglander is that it's the lack of ice (due to inconsistent defense) that holds back his offense, not his actual skill level. He rode a high shooting percentage last year, sure, but his skill was evident throughout. That's what teams are after. (Buzzsaw nature a bonus)

A rising cap brings with it a sentiment that controlled money at the mid-high end is valuable. In fact, there were earlier rumours that the Canucks were after players with term on their deals so as to gain efficiency in the approaching market, which is smart. I think that applies here too. Hoglander's contract will be seen as a positive to those teams who view him as a middle6/top6 solution... but now is not the time to deal him. This isn't Kuzmenko-lite... yet.

Kuzzy a healthy scratch
I low key one day hopes he would signed back with us and be the perfect Petey linemates but it sure looks like he isn’t cut out to be a consistent NHL Player

 

[MS]

Miller isn't being traded, jfc everybody.

This.

If he had actually requested a trade/was going to be traded, it wouldn't have been weeks before we heard 'the Rangers inquired'. There would have been stuff leaking right away.

But the idiots on the internet have somehow morphed 'teams have inquired about the state of the situation and if Miller is potentially available' - which, like, duh, of course they did - into 'Miller is on the trade block'. It's idiotic.

 

[thecupismine]

This.

If he had actually requested a trade/was going to be traded, it wouldn't have been weeks before we heard 'the Rangers inquired'. There would have been stuff leaking right away.

But the idiots on the internet have somehow morphed 'teams have inquired about the state of the situation and if Miller is potentially available' - which, like, duh, of course they did - into 'Miller is on the trade block'. It's idiotic.

You have to be a moronic GM if your team is in the playoff hunt to not inquire about the situation. He's a 100 point, two-way power forward who can contain an opponents top-line as well and can play center or wing - it's exactly what a contender would be looking for.

If there's even a 1% chance that's available, you make the call or you're not doing your job.

Alvin probably just as quickly told teams thanks, but no thanks. The fact that any of this is news is the media needing to fill air-time, nothing more.

 

[Jerry the great]

You have to be a moronic GM if your team is in the playoff hunt to not inquire about the situation. He's a 100 point, two-way power forward who can contain an opponents top-line as well and can play center or wing - it's exactly what a contender would be looking for.

If there's even a 1% chance that's available, you make the call or you're not doing your job.

Alvin probably just as quickly told teams thanks, but no thanks. The fact that any of this is news is the media needing to fill air-time, nothing more.

the media does what it does, because we love to speculate about this stuff; this shit is like crack for hockey fans.

 

[valkynax]

You have to be a moronic GM if your team is in the playoff hunt to not inquire about the situation. He's a 100 point, two-way power forward who can contain an opponents top-line as well and can play center or wing - it's exactly what a contender would be looking for.

If there's even a 1% chance that's available, you make the call or you're not doing your job.

Alvin probably just as quickly told teams thanks, but no thanks. The fact that any of this is news is the media needing to fill air-time, nothing more.

Also without going into the specifics, there's been some wild speculations.

It's getting disgusting.

 

[Hansen]

 

[wonton15]

Why did they choose that font and size? I thought it was fake at first, lol

This is mainly good news but also not getting surgery might mean that shoulder is going to be fragile when he comes back. I think we’ll see a D trade soon with this timeline confirmed, though.

 

[Jerry the great]

ahhh another Canucks PR, where you have more questions than answers by the time you get to the end of it.

 

[kanucks25]

The cynic in me feels they chose not to have surgery on the shoulder because it would have ended his season.

Hopefully I'm wrong and his shoulder isn't actually shot.

 

[Phrasing]

8 weeks not bad and lower body? TF?

 

[Diversification]

ahhh another Canucks PR, where you have more questions than answers by the time you get to the end of it.

Yeah, tell me about it. Underwent a successful lower body procedure, presumably unrelated to his shoulder. Out 8 weeks. WTF?

 

[Nick Lang]

id try real hard to extract a 2nd rounder from Hoglander if possible and flip it later or something.

I really want us to go after Sanheim but they’re in a wild card spot right now lmfao.

I don't think anyone gives us a second. He's got 5 points in 23 games, on pace for 7 goals and 11 assists. Sprong is on pace for more points.

Put me in the camp that believes Hoglander doesn't have much value and his contract extension arguably hurts it even more.

I would absolutely love to be wrong, but I just can't imagine any return where we say "wow, I can't believe we actually got that."

Yeah I have to agree. I'd be over the moon with a second but I feel his value is between a third, and quite possibly only a fourth from a lot of GM's. He's been terrible this year after riding off of a good one off half year at the beginning of last year. No one is paying big for that without major signs of improvement.

 

[sandwichbird2023]

Where did the lower body issue came from? I thought the whole time it was just his shoulder (upper body)?

I'm glad he is getting surgery on whatever he needs fixed, 8 weeks is a long time but its better he comes back 100% than to sit out shorter only to come back less than full strength.

 

[StreetHawk]

Yeah he’s not with the team on the road…

When they return they will be asked about him. Like any chance on this homestand?
Likely answer is that they don’t have a timeline.

 

[Rowlet]

Presumably the lower body injury was something he could have played through, but knowing he was going to be out a while for his shoulder anyways they opted to have the procedure done.

 

[arttk]

lol upper body???lower body? He had a lower body injury????

 

[Jerry the great]

Presumably the lower body injury was something he could have played through, but knowing he was going to be out a while for his shoulder anyways they opted to have the procedure done.

either that, or a seriously weird time to get a vasectomy

 

[arttk]

When they return they will be asked about him. Like any chance on this homestand?
Likely answer is that they don’t have a timeline.

Well they just need whisper the word depression and then nobody will follow up with any questions.

 

[xtr3m]

8 weeks not bad and lower body? TF?

Lower body is probably something nagging that could've waited until the offseason, something like knee arthroscopy, which they decided to take care of now now that they have eight weeks.