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[LemonSauceD]

Hoglander, Forbort, Juulsen, Desharnais, Soucy OUT.

D needs a total revamp. Hoglander needs to be moved as well.

We won’t be going far with our Disastrous 4 (really 5 with Myers but his NMC guarantees he’s stuck with us).

 

[mriswith]

Myers buyout this summer is not as bad as I expected:

Buyout Results	Initial Cap Hit	Savings	Buyout Cap Hit
2025-26	$3,000,000	$2,033,333	$966,667
2026-27	$3,000,000	$1,433,333	$1,566,667
2027-28		-$866,667	$866,667
2028-29		-$866,667	$866,667

 

[arttk]

Myers buyout this summer is not as bad as I expected:

Buyout Results	Initial Cap Hit	Savings	Buyout Cap Hit
2025-26	$3,000,000	$2,033,333	$966,667
2026-27	$3,000,000	$1,433,333	$1,566,667
2027-28		-$866,667	$866,667
2028-29		-$866,667	$866,667

Do it

 

[brock hughes007]

Do it

Or sorry you did not make the team.Bye..

 

[VanJack]

Do it

Myers buyout this summer is not as bad as I expected:

Buyout Results	Initial Cap Hit	Savings	Buyout Cap Hit
2025-26	$3,000,000	$2,033,333	$966,667
2026-27	$3,000,000	$1,433,333	$1,566,667
2027-28		-$866,667	$866,667
2028-29		-$866,667	$866,667

And rumor has it the cap is going up to at least $92m and maybe even as high as $95m.

Said it before.....time to get D-Petey and Wilander into the mix. Will they make some mistakes? Sure they will. But you can live with the glitches as long as they're improving.

 

[Ninjadude]

Another Pettersson addition to the blueline would be a welcome upgrade, but what does that extension look like ...

We need a (couple) Kovacevic/Jiricek/Schneider type dman addition(s) to grow & contribute with this team this year, but more importantly the next two with cuck oel cap penalty.

The cap going up extra next year will help, and maybe willander or ep2 earning a spot will help, but the Canucks cap sheet is pretty efficient already, going to be tough to fit any medium plus sized contracts in the next few years.

I'd like the Nucks to explore trading for Jiricek. Big RD and still very young and potentially develope into a top 4 for years to come. I'm sure the price would be high but this current D core needs serious help.

 

[VanJack]

Every year, the Canucks have been forced to go out and sign at least two or three UFA d-men.

This off-season, it was Desharnais, Forbort and Myers, if you include him as a UFA. And of course they basically rescued Brannstrom from the Av's.

Sometimes the new guys work, and sometimes they don't. That's just the risk. At this writing, the blueline simply isn't good enough. It could be decent enough to make the playoffs, but not to go very far.

So either the Canucks enter the crowded trade market and give up assets they can ill afford to give up. Or they start introducing some younger guys into the lineup and let them grow under the tutelage of Foote and Gonchar.

Really, it's coming down to the latter option as the only way out--but might mean sacrificing another year on player development at the NHL level.

 

[Kryten]

Every year, the Canucks have been forced to go out and sign at least two or three UFA d-men.

This off-season, it was Desharnais, Forbort and Myers, if you include him as a UFA. And of course they basically rescued Brannstrom from the Av's.

Sometimes the new guys work, and sometimes they don't. That's just the risk. At this writing, the blueline simply isn't good enough. It could be decent enough to make the playoffs, but not to go very far.

So either the Canucks enter the crowded trade market and give up assets they can ill afford to give up. Or they start introducing some younger guys into the lineup and let them grow under the tutelage of Foote and Gonchar.

Really, it's coming down to the latter option as the only way out--but might mean sacrificing another year on player development at the NHL level.

This team has spent the last 20 years drafting Dmen with only Hughes to show for it. Hughes is the GOAT for us of course but lets take a look at our drafting and lack of development. 20th year ago was Bourdons draft so thats not really fair, 21st was Edlers. The last 19 drafts we’ve selected 44 D, now lets rank the few who made the NHL

Hughes (2018) 381+GP.
Forsling (2014) 415+GP, 0 with us. Turned into a top pair elsewhere
Hutton (2012) 513+GP, 276 with us. Bottom pair/scratch since leaving
Connauton (2009) 360GP, 0 with us. Journeyman
Corrado (2011) 76GP, 28 with us. Bust
Tryamkin (2014) 73GP. Bottom pair, went home
Juolevi (2016) 41GP, 24 with us. Bust
Rathbone (2017) 28GP. Busting elsewhere
Brisebois (2015) 27GP. Busting
Sauve (2008) 8GP. Bust

A 19 year span and we have Hughes and a few seasons of Hutton to show for it. Forsling wouldve been nice if he was kept and had the same career. We have to hope that Pettersson and Willander pan out

 

[theguardianII]

Speculation and fantasy stuff.

22 years ago there was a blockbuster trade, 5 players going each way.

Could another close to that be percolating? Only with 3 teams? Or two separate deals?

Vancouver, Boston and Columbus?

Columbus - Vancouver, Boeser and Garland for Jirieck, Johnson, Provorov and a 1st rnd pick.
Vancouver - Boston, JT Miller, Juulsen for Zadoroz/Carlo/Peeke, Kastelic and Geekie
Both could be pretty much cap neutral with the Nux gaining some space.
The Canucks cash in on elevated values after last year's playoff appearance.
Get younger, faster and opens the "window" longer.
Zadorov might agree to come back, his family really liked it here

Teams can expect to be paying 4,5,6 dmen 4+ mil in just another 2/3 years.

On the surface this looks like a loss for Vancouver but the defence becomes extremely deep and allows for other trades.

Picks could be dealt, Willander could then be available after all they already have Hughes and Hronek, Pittsburgh may even deal their 1rst for Willander.

This is pure fantasy and Tocchet would not be able to coach a group like this although there are many players of his type, boards guys. Since he puts hits over scoring he might be able to at that.

Trade for Rust, a Pitt guy that Allvin and Tocchet know

Calgary jettisoned many core players and are tied with the Canucks in points so not real doom and gloom, maybe just a bigger re-tooling but after 8 new players added that is pretty close to a re-whatever too.

This core has been mostly together for going on 6 years with little success.

Stale?
In need of a shake up?
Certainly shaking up the bottom of the lineup hasn't helped apparently.

 

[bossram]

Rutherford/Allvin gonna be pulling the trigger on Marcus Pettersson pretty quick after the weekend's showing.

Myers is disastrous. I can't believe (actually yes, I can) how bad he is. Just poor decision making at every opportunity.

I still believe in Soucy considering the level he played at last season, but it is becoming very concerning. He looks like he's skating in concrete too.

 

[SeawaterOnIce]

Rutherford/Allvin gonna be pulling the trigger on Marcus Pettersson pretty quick after the weekend's showing.

Myers is disastrous. I can't believe (actually yes, I can) how bad he is. Just poor decision making at every opportunity.

I still believe in Soucy considering the level he played at last season, but it is becoming very concerning. He looks like he's skating in concrete too.

Myers is turning 35. He was erratic and often subpar during his previous 6 years here (aside from 2-3 stretches where he looked decent). Was largely used as a 5th D in Winnipeg back in 2018. It was just a horrendous mistake by Allvin.

 

[LemonSauceD]

Vancouver, Boston and Columbus?

Columbus - Vancouver, Boeser and Garland for Jirieck, Johnson, Provorov and a 1st rnd pick.
Vancouver - Boston, JT Miller, Juulsen for Zadoroz/Carlo/Peeke, Kastelic and Geekie
Both could be pretty much cap neutral with the Nux gaining some space.
The Canucks cash in on elevated values after last year's playoff appearance.
Get younger, faster and opens the "window" longer.
Zadorov might agree to come back, his family really liked it here

Columbus doesn’t do that deal and that Boston deal is bad for us. Let alone the fact that that makes us 100x worse. 100 point centerman for a couple of bottom pairing dmen and 4th liners?

 

[Quinning]

Nobody gonna say it eh .. roll the dice on Taylor Hall @50%...?

(&Murphy)

Absolutely not. Look around for stories about how he conducted himself all through junior and during his entire time in Edmonton. We don't want that guy around younger players.

 

[Reverend Mayhem]

Absolutely not. Look around for stories about how he conducted himself all through junior and during his entire time in Edmonton. We don't want that guy around younger players.

Wingers are the very least of my concerns right now. We have no one to get them the puck. We have lots of ping-pong players, yeah they break plays up, but then thing is, when you break it up, you gotta break it out. So wingers can then look like they are blowing the zone but the D just can't put pucks into areas the way a QB does a football like say Quinn does. Effectively you're just running suicides with a puck and 5 other guys against you.

 

[Quinning]

Wingers are the very least of my concerns right now. We have no one to get them the puck. We have lots of ping-pong players, yeah they break plays up, but then thing is, when you break it up, you gotta break it out. So wingers can then look like they are blowing the zone but the D just can't put pucks into areas the way a QB does a football like say Quinn does. Effectively you're just running suicides with a puck and 5 other guys against you.

We have too much money tied up in wingers as it stands. DeBrusk's money should have gone to a defenceman - he's a luxury similar to Lindholm that we simply can't make work right now.

If Brannstrom hadn't fallen out of the sky, we would be running two top pairing defencemen and a bunch of #5s and #6s. Forbort and Deshairnais have been a disaster. Soucy has gone from a dependable 3/4 guy to bottom pairing. Myers is playing arguably his worst hockey as a Canuck. Juulsen is borderline unplayable, and Friedman is injured.

 

[krutovsdonut]

has someone got access to stats that would illustrate this transition problem posters keep mentioning? to my crude eye test the transition game looks average. it is the failure to convert offensive opportunities and the inability to get clear possession in tight to get shots away that i see as frustrating this team.

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

Bring in a legit Top 4 dman, play them with Brannstrom and push Soucy/Myers down to 3rd pair till they get their act together.

Hughes-Hronk
X/Brannstrom-Brannstrom/X
Soucy-Myers

 

[supercanuck]

Have we or can we try Soucy-Brannstrom? Maybe taking Soucy away from Myers will help a bit.

 

[credulous]

has someone got access to stats that would illustrate this transition problem posters keep mentioning? to my crude eye test the transition game looks average. it is the failure to convert offensive opportunities and the inability to get clear possession in tight to get shots away that i see as frustrating this team.

all 3 zones has zone entry and rush offense data for the canucks:

edit: i didn't realize i cut off the header of this one. it's zone exits vs turnovers for dmen

there's a lot more data i'm not going to post but other than quinn hughes and jt miller no one on the team is better than average at zone entries or zone clears

 

[SelltheTeamFrancesco]

Rutherford/Allvin gonna be pulling the trigger on Marcus Pettersson pretty quick after the weekend's showing.

Myers is disastrous. I can't believe (actually yes, I can) how bad he is. Just poor decision making at every opportunity.

I still believe in Soucy considering the level he played at last season, but it is becoming very concerning. He looks like he's skating in concrete too.

For what 20 games last season plus the Oilers series.

 

[Reverend Mayhem]

A lot of that is consistent with what I've seen. Hronek is a lot stronger and is more pissy than I gave him credit for. I just hate what he decides to do after that at the moment but it's not like I haven't seen it at all.

Also Desharnais really not as bad as some people say, (i.e. a lost cause) which is what I've been saying. Then again, do those failed exits include when our guy is at the dots and tosses it down ice and it hits a bunch of skates at roughly center ice?

 

[credulous]

A lot of that is consistent with what I've seen. Hronek is a lot stronger and is more pissy than I gave him credit for. I just hate what he decides to do after that at the moment but it's not like I haven't seen it at all.

Also Desharnais really not as bad as some people say, (i.e. a lost cause) which is what I've been saying. Then again, do those failed exits include when our guy is at the dots and tosses it down ice and it hits a bunch of skates at roughly center ice?

no failed exits is attempts to clear the zone that don't cross the line. just wiring it up ice for a turnover counts as an exit as long as it clears the zone

 

[Nick Lang]

People have extremely short memories and forget how fantastic Soucy was last season. A total stabilizing force. Whatever mojo he had last season isn't there this year, although there's been some recent games where he's looked close. I really can't seem them trading him away for an upgrade. Moving on from Soucy would necessitate finding another replacement. Ideally you're totally overhauling the third pair so you're running two 2nd pairs like last season.

You are absolutely correct here. He played great last year and years past. This is a perfect example of getting carried away by some people. You don't just give up on guys all of the sudden. Most likely we'd just get a similar player and waste assets. They just need to let him work his way out of his funk as he has definitely proven to be very capable in the past.

One thing people haven't really locked onto, after last year's success, is that our defence is very immobile by design. It worked last year because Cole is a very wise and experienced dman. He even made a legitimate impact with Juulsen and Friedman as partners. Right now you've got 3 to 4 big and immobile players back there. They are "fast" for big guys but always give the advantage to most other NHL skaters due to immobility during turns, stops and starts, and the like (also skill wise they are plodding). Combine that with our forwards not being as strong on the forecheck, or offensively, and working together defensively, and we're being exposed by that lack of motility.

 

[krutovsdonut]

all 3 zones has zone entry and rush offense data for the canucks:

edit: i didn't realize i cut off the header of this one. it's zone exits vs turnovers for dmen

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there's a lot more data i'm not going to post but other than quinn hughes and jt miller no one on the team is better than average at zone entries or zone clears

thanks. if i read that correctly 5 out of 6 of the defence is above average in clearing the zone with possession, and the team looks pretty average overall for clearings.

 

[wonton15]

Hughes Hronek
Soucy Brannstrom
Pettersson Myers

Pull the trigger Allvin