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[F A N]

Those are certainly top 4 mins. Your math ain't mathing.

Is 17 minutes a night top 4 minutes? I think there’s a difference between averaging 19 minutes a night vs 17 minutes. Same as 15 vs 17. I can agree that depending on actual deployment 19 minutes a night can be considered top 4 minutes.

Kind of ironic that I was arguing that Gudbranson was playing top 4 minutes with the Panthers before we acquired him but here we are arguing over comparatively less average ice time. Different era I guess…

 

[LemonSauceD]

Pens fan on main boards suggested Desharnais, D-Petey, 2025 2nd for Marcus Pettersson 50% retained.

I’d have a hard time saying no to that right now. If you can switch D-Petey with Kudryavtsev, I’d have done it yesterday.

 

[Canucks LB]

Pens fan on main boards suggested Desharnais, D-Petey, 2025 2nd for Marcus Pettersson 50% retained.

I’d have a hard time saying no to that right now. If you can switch D-Petey with Kudryavtsev, I’d have done it yesterday.

I would do that in a second

 

[Vector]

Pens fan on main boards suggested Desharnais, D-Petey, 2025 2nd for Marcus Pettersson 50% retained.

I’d have a hard time saying no to that right now. If you can switch D-Petey with Kudryavtsev, I’d have done it yesterday.

Yeah, switch D-Perry for Kudeyavtsev and I’d do it. I’m exetremly high on D-Petey and believe he’ll be in the NHL next season.

 

[604]

Yeah, switch D-Perry for Kudeyavtsev and I’d do it. I’m exetremly high on D-Petey and believe he’ll be in the NHL next season.

I think M. Petey + Hughes + Soucy would be in his spot.

 

[David71]

Pens fan on main boards suggested Desharnais, D-Petey, 2025 2nd for Marcus Pettersson 50% retained.

I’d have a hard time saying no to that right now. If you can switch D-Petey with Kudryavtsev, I’d have done it yesterday.

switch to a lesser name prospect. like mynio and call it a deal. but why petterson at 50? i'd replace desharnais with soucy tbh. still need VD pk and physicality for playoffs when needed. despiste his defensive deficiencies.

 

[VanJack]

Pens fan on main boards suggested Desharnais, D-Petey, 2025 2nd for Marcus Pettersson 50% retained.

I’d have a hard time saying no to that right now. If you can switch D-Petey with Kudryavtsev, I’d have done it yesterday.

Sorry, but you can't keep trading valuable picks and prospects for a rental d-man like Marcus Pettersson. I've watched him with Pittsburgh this year, and he really doesn't move the needle for me.

Frankly, I'd like to see D-Petey and Wilander both introduced into the lineup by March. At some point, you have to start building your blueline identity from within.

 

[kanucks25]

Sorry, but you can't keep trading valuable picks and prospects for a rental d-man like Marcus Pettersson. I've watched him with Pittsburgh this year, and he really doesn't move the needle for me.

Frankly, I'd like to see D-Petey and Wilander both introduced into the lineup by March. At some point, you have to start building your blueline identity from within.

I imagine whatever D-man they trade for will be under contract or it'll be a sign and trade type of situation.

Banking on Willander and/or D-Petey being ready to be playoff contributors in 5 months is very risky.

 

[PavelBure10]

Pens fan on main boards suggested Desharnais, D-Petey, 2025 2nd for Marcus Pettersson 50% retained.

I’d have a hard time saying no to that right now. If you can switch D-Petey with Kudryavtsev, I’d have done it yesterday.

It's a pretty fair trade imo. D pettersson has size and snarl that "when ready" would be extremely useful to this crappy defensive core. He is developing nicely and it would be a shame to give up on him now. Switch with Kudravyatsev or Mynio and I'm all for it.

This defense is in shambles. Heck if we get a big name defenseman heck I'd throw almost anyone not named Hughes the other way.

 

[BenningHurtsMySoul]

It’s easy for Kesler to say now. Totally f***ed his own legacy with the one team that he played for where he really mattered. Yeah, I’d regret that too.

Kesler owned this city while playing here. He had no idea how good he had things.

 

[LemonSauceD]

It's a pretty fair trade imo. D pettersson has size and snarl that "when ready" would be extremely useful to this crappy defensive core. He is developing nicely and it would be a shame to give up on him now. Switch with Kudravyatsev or Mynio and I'm all for it.

This defense is in shambles. Heck if we get a big name defenseman heck I'd throw almost anyone not named Hughes the other way.

I’d rather keep Mynio out of all 3 tbh.

That said, our window is now, pretty much everyone not named Willander and Lekkerimaki are on the table.

 

[Vector]

I think M. Petey + Hughes + Soucy would be in his spot.

I don’t see the Canucks able to re-sign Pettersson. If they did, would need to shed money elsewhere and play ELC and near league-min players in those spots.

 

[LemonSauceD]

I wonder if Canucks circle back on Ian Cole.

 

[BenningHurtsMySoul]

I wonder if Canucks circle back on Ian Cole.

Yeah, that would be sweet. Giving up assets to acquire a player you had last season.

 

[LemonSauceD]

Yeah, that would be sweet. Giving up assets to acquire a player you had last season.

They wanted to re sign Cole for $1.5M but Utah offered Cole $3M. Cole retained a bit for Desharnais and a later pick or something could work.

 

[Vector]

They wanted to re sign Cole for $1.5M but Utah offered Cole $3M. Cole retained a bit for Desharnais and a later pick or something could work.

Some team would offer more than that closer to the deadline.

 

[thecupismine]

I don’t see the Canucks able to re-sign Pettersson. If they did, would need to shed money elsewhere and play ELC and near league-min players in those spots.

Depends on how much the cap goes up, and how much Boeser's next contract is for. I think Hoglander & Deshernais should be gone next year, but that's an assumption on my side.

If it's 92 million as projected, they can make it work if they deal those two, sign Boeser for 8 and Marcus (or equivalent) for 5.25. This also assumes Willander and Lekk are ready to make the jump next year. Roster would look something like this:

Debrusk-Miller-Boeser
Lekk-Petterson-Garland
Joshua-Blueger-Sherwood
Heinen-Raty-Bains
Aman

Hughes-Hronek
M. Petterson-Myers
Soucy-Willander
<1 million 7th defensemen

Demko
Silovs

There's multiple issues here, such as how does the Demko situation play out, do we bring back Kevin, is Silovs a capable backup, etc., but these are things that can't really be answered until the end of the year. This comes in at roughly 90.2, so there's some wiggle room there.

Regardless, in whatever deal they do end up making, I can't see a realistic scenario where the defense is upgraded next year and Hoglander & Vinny are still around, unless another depth forward is dealt.

 

[Vector]

Depends on how much the cap goes up, and how much Boeser's next contract is for. I think Hoglander & Deshernais should be gone next year, but that's an assumption on my side.

If it's 92 million as projected, they can make it work if they deal those two, sign Boeser for 8 and Marcus (or equivalent) for 5.25. This also assumes Willander and Lekk are ready to make the jump next year. Roster would look something like this:

Debrusk-Miller-Boeser
Lekk-Petterson-Garland
Joshua-Blueger-Sherwood
Heinen-Raty-Bains
Aman

Hughes-Hronek
M. Petterson-Myers
Soucy-Willander
<1 million 7th defensemen

Demko
Silovs

There's multiple issues here, such as how does the Demko situation play out, do we bring back Kevin, is Silovs a capable backup, etc., but these are things that can't really be answered until the end of the year. This comes in at roughly 90.2, so there's some wiggle room there.

Regardless, in whatever deal they do end up making, I can't see a realistic scenario where the defense is upgraded next year and Hoglander & Vinny are still around, unless another depth forward is dealt.

The bolded I 100% agree with and have same the same thing for quite a while. If not Desharnais then Forbort could get moved out for salary matching purposes as well.

 

[SeawaterOnIce]

The bolded I 100% agree with and have same the same thing for quite a while. If not Desharnais then Forbort could get moved out for salary matching purposes as well.

Boston also probably wants Heinen back.

 

[bossram]

Sorry, but you can't keep trading valuable picks and prospects for a rental d-man like Marcus Pettersson. I've watched him with Pittsburgh this year, and he really doesn't move the needle for me.

Frankly, I'd like to see D-Petey and Wilander both introduced into the lineup by March. At some point, you have to start building your blueline identity from within.

I get what you're saying, but everything is on the table. This is the Canucks' contention window. They're built to win now. They have Quinn's contract window.

 

[Vector]

Boston also probably wants Heinen back.

I don't think the Canucks have any interest in trading him and he has a 12-NTC.

 

[BenningHurtsMySoul]

I don't think the Canucks have any interest in trading him and he has a 12-NTC.

Dude somehow has a half PPG. I haven't noticed him at all out there.

 

[bossram]

Dude somehow has a half PPG. I haven't noticed him at all out there.

The puck knowers knows.

 

[Peen]

One caution on any M Pettersson trade: I think the aim should be to pay a Zadorov price if they're upgrading the bottom pair. And, they should be moving Forbort's salary in that deal.

If the cost is much more than a 3rd + Forbort + maybe a conditional pick or C/D prospect, they should hold out.

Preserve your 1st, Hoglander, B prospects like D EP, for a bigger fish around the TDL. That's what the package will have to be given recent trades.

My other note here is that, in an ideal world, your rental is on the right side & your term acquisition is on the left. You have Hronek signed and Willander arriving soon. Soucy becomes an expiring contract in ~7 months, and his form in 2024 is very different than his 2023 form where he looked like a legitimate #4.

The other worry with making a big deal right now is that the team does not look good. Their place in the standings is not representative of how they've played this season. You kind of want to see Myers/Soucy stabilize, know the status of Boeser, have a good sample of both Miller and EP playing at a high level, Demko's health status before you feel comfortable making big moves to push the team over the top. Without all of that stuff, there isn't a point making the blueline upgrades they need to make.

 

[thecupismine]

I get what you're saying, but everything is on the table. This is the Canucks' contention window. They're built to win now. They have Quinn's contract window.

100% agreed. In 2-3 years when Willander and D Petey might be core pieces, 2/3rd of our top line will likely be exiting their prime (Miller and Boeser), with no real replacement for Miller's contributions in sight.

People treat this team like the typical young team who's contention window just opened, but they're forgetting the core's age. Realistically, we should've been making the playoffs from 2019-2020 onwards given the core pieces we had in place & where they were in their development, but management was absolutely dogwater at identifying complementary pieces on the bluelines, in the bottom 6, or a good coaching staff.

Right now we're smack in the middle of what's likely their prime years, and the core is unlikely to get any better (more likely worse). For context, the Hawks core was at this age during their third stanley cup, and they never broke past the first round again.

Unless you're of the belief that this core just isn't good enough, or that you'd rather just make the playoffs every year instead of contend, this is the time to go for it.