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[Leif Rohlin]

I obviously don’t agree with what he said. But I can recognize what he said was out of anger and not truly reflective of what he actually thinks.

I don’t think he owes an apology. He was literally harassed and still continues to be. He just needs to be better at controlling his emotions next time.

It’s a two way street. We bash commentators, analysts, hockey journalists, players whether it’s warranted or not. Overly sensitive fans sending personal attacks and calling him sensitive for having visceral reaction is just pure hypocrisy.

And to note, it was on a podcast where he’s allowed to freely speak his mind, not on national television.

Bullshit. You can't say shit like that on a podcast and then go on the HNIC panel and expect to be taken seriously. You're an amateur and will be treated as such.

What he said was obviously an emotional reaction at the time but he didn't just lash out at the idiots on twitter, he literally shit-talked the whole team and fanbase.

It didn't just come out of nowhere either - it was already clear from watching him on the panel that he was an Oilers fanboy, it was annoying to listen to and that's why he was getting blasted on twitter. Did he "deserve" all that hate and trolling? Of course not, and those people are idiots, but those idiots will always be there and he's chosen a career in national broadcasting so he has to be able to deal with it.

 

[Wisp]

Bullshit. You can't say shit like that on a podcast and then go on the HNIC panel and expect to be taken seriously. You're an amateur and will be treated as such.

What he said was obviously an emotional reaction at the time but he didn't just lash out at the idiots on twitter, he literally shit-talked the whole team and fanbase.

It didn't just come out of nowhere either - it was already clear from watching him on the panel that he was an Oilers fanboy, it was annoying to listen to and that's why he was getting blasted on twitter. Did he "deserve" all that hate and trolling? Of course not, and those people are idiots, but those idiots will always be there and he's chosen a career in national broadcasting so he has to be able to deal with it.

yup.

personally i like it when people show class and take things in stride with maturity and grace. normalize people NOT being big babies in the public eye. I think we've all had enough of that.

 

[VanJack]

Canucks have a problem, more along the lines of differences that knock down fights.
The new management came in with a core they liked, EP,QH, JTM, TD.
They drafted and traded to improve and help that group.

But when they hired Tocchet they changed to give Tocchet the players he wanted or type of players.

This changes what the drafted and traded players role's were/will be but those players were not drafted/traded for because they were Tarzans.

The best prospect forward, Lekkerimaki, is not close to being a Tocchet guy, he is more of a skilled perimeter player much like Pettersson was.
Willander is another that isn't a defensive juggernaut.

Because these players are NOT Tocchet guys will management go all in and sell these types of players for more Heinen's, Joshua's or Blueger's.

If they trade EP, JK and TW then they are going all in on Tocchet's vision of a team. Right now the bottom 9 are more important to Tocchet's style than a top six.

That Tocchet is playing QH close to half a game shows his lack of confidence in the rest of the D or a lack of offensive from the forwards.

Tocchet's next contract has to be considered as well in who he will play. Is 8 million too much?

You're ascribing way too much power and influence to Tocchet when it comes to the Canucks roster construction. He's like any other NHL coach. Sure he wants his players to play a certain way. But he works with the roster that the GM gives him, and has to make the best of it.

So the notion that skilled guys like EP, Lekerimakki or Wilander won't be able to find a home on a Tocchet-coached team, is really pretty far out there in the Twilight Zone.

If this were the case, Tocchet would have turned 'thumbs down' on the acquisition of Erik Brannstrom.......and if he'd been overruled by the front office, he wouldn't be playing him 15 minutes a night.

Roster construction is the job of Allvin and Rutherford, period, end of story. I'm sure they consult the coach......but at the end of the day, the buck stops upstairs.

 

[LemonSauceD]

Bullshit. You can't say shit like that on a podcast and then go on the HNIC panel and expect to be taken seriously. You're an amateur and will be treated as such.

What he said was obviously an emotional reaction at the time but he didn't just lash out at the idiots on twitter, he literally shit-talked the whole team and fanbase.

It didn't just come out of nowhere either - it was already clear from watching him on the panel that he was an Oilers fanboy, it was annoying to listen to and that's why he was getting blasted on twitter. Did he "deserve" all that hate and trolling? Of course not, and those people are idiots, but those idiots will always be there and he's chosen a career in national broadcasting so he has to be able to deal with it.

Much too sick to think clearly to type out a proper response to this so I’ll just call it an agree to disagree anrgument and call it a day.

 

[Chairman Maouth]

This is pretty good. They make a great pair.

 

[Flik]

This is pretty good. They make a great pair.

The shit talking between those two is pure gold. I can't wait until Joshua is back in the line-up what a f***ing vibe king

 

[VanillaCoke]

Surely now everyone agrees Garland is staying a canuck long term.
Expect him to sign a joshua like extension when the time comes.

 

[credulous]

Surely now everyone agrees Garland is staying a canuck long term.
Expect him to sign a joshua like extension when the time comes.

you mean a boeser like extension? he's getting 7m with term

 

[wonton15]

Trotz about to start the rebuild soon?

Josi for Forbort

 

[HairyKneel]

Dale Rolfe is probably a better comparable, if you're looking for the guy who partnered Brad Park on the Rangers. But the point stands: Park, also, didn't need to play with a typical top pairing guy (Rolfe scored 25 goals over nine years.)

The cost to acquire the equivalent of Dallas Smith/Dale Rolfe/Jeff Beukeboom/Charlie Huddy, the partners (for the young ones who can't be expected to remember) of Orr, Park, Leetch, and Coffey respectively, should be lower than the cost of acquiring a genuine second pair d-man, whether on the left or the right.

My guess at the time was that this was the Canucks thinking when they acquired Desharnais. But then they didn't even try him in the spot during preseason, after having perplexingly given McWard a long look there the year before.

On a completely different topic ... LHD Elias Pettersson has only three assists but leads all Abbotsford defensemen in +/- with a +4. But, +/- ...

Gerald Diduck, Babs, Harold Snepsts. Get these guys into a Mandelorian and revamp that D

 

[Vector]

Gerald Diduck, Babs, Harold Snepsts. Get these guys into a Mandelorian and revamp that D

 

[HairyKneel]

Sorry Vector, I meant delorean. Early onset Alzheimer's I think

 

[Regress2TheMeme]

When I heard Friedman defend Gazdik I couldn't help but think how different this situation would be if he had said that about Toronto.

When Leaf fans boo the Leafs Friedman will trip over himself to clarify that "they have every right to boo them!" If that happens in Vancouver he's shaking his head and talking about how "it's a tough market."

My conclusion is that it's safe to shit on the Vancouver market but if you don't pander to Leaf fans enough you'll lose your job, ie. Jim Hughson.

 

[HairyKneel]

Why are the comments of a guy that was one of the worst players the NHL in the last 50 years relevant to a trade rumors thread? Not to mention he made these comments more than five months ago. I mean not only could Luke Gazdic not play hockey, he wasn't that tough. He would have gotten torn apart in the 80's 90's, let alone the 70's and the first part of this century.

CBC needs to gut that panel. He should never be allowed on. Hrudey and the Crotch Watcher have to go. Spend some money and get another decent analyst on there and get James Duthie to replace Crotch Watcher. f*** I'd take Diamond Don back at this point over Kelly or Jen for that matter.

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

Ottawa lost and are now below .500.

Rub a dub dub. Allvin go get Zub.

 

[Peen]

Ottawa lost and are now below .500.

Rub a dub dub. Allvin go get Zub.

There were only 4 teams in the east that weren’t under pressure to make the playoffs. One of those, Washington, being good to start makes things even more interesting.

Another team on the outs means more potential drama.

Also think that the proximity to those covid seasons is long enough now that the covid world impact on finances and roster building as an excuse can no longer be stretched so the pressure, in theory, should be higher

 

[SelltheTeamFrancesco]

There were only 4 teams in the east that weren’t under pressure to make the playoffs. One of those, Washington, being good to start makes things even more interesting.

Another team on the outs means more potential drama.

Also think that the proximity to those covid seasons is long enough now that the covid world impact on finances and roster building as an excuse can no longer be stretched so the pressure, in theory, should be higher

I disagree with this. Washington invested a lot in there team in the offseason. Taking on the PLD contract, signing Matt Roy, and spending assets on Mangiapane and Chychrun. I think they are under pressure to make the playoffs.

 

[ManVanFan]

Spitballing

Gustav Nyquist, Coming off a 75 point season at 34. 3.185M final year. Half PPG so far on struggling Nashville. Doubt Trotz wants long futures so maybe Kudryatsev, Raty.

Debrusk Miller Boeser
Joshua Petey Garland
Hoggy Suter Nyquist
Heinen Blueger Sherwood

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

Spitballing

Gustav Nyquist, Coming off a 75 point season at 34. 3.185M final year. Half PPG so far on struggling Nashville. Doubt Trotz wants long futures so maybe Kudryatsev, Raty.

Debrusk Miller Boeser
Joshua Petey Garland
Hoggy Suter Nyquist
Heinen Blueger Sherwood

No thanks.

 

[Bobby9]

We dont need to add a wingers. We need to add a capable top C and a second pairing D.

Byfield
Clarke
Gavrikov

for

EP 40
Hog
Pick

 

[JanBulisPiggyBack]

It’s crazy we are proposing trading Petey, and I get it, I remember a couple years ago when he was playing even worse before he figured it out we were hoping to just lose his 7 million cap hit
For now Petey will be under a lens until he’s back back, but his play is rounding form, I think when he gets out of his funk he will be that 100 point player and watch out this team will be deadly
I think we target Bowen Byram, Buffalo has lots of defensemen

 

[Peter Griffin]

Spitballing

Gustav Nyquist, Coming off a 75 point season at 34. 3.185M final year. Half PPG so far on struggling Nashville. Doubt Trotz wants long futures so maybe Kudryatsev, Raty.

Debrusk Miller Boeser
Joshua Petey Garland
Hoggy Suter Nyquist
Heinen Blueger Sherwood

No.

 

[theguardianII]

You're ascribing way too much power and influence to Tocchet when it comes to the Canucks roster construction. He's like any other NHL coach. Sure he wants his players to play a certain way. But he works with the roster that the GM gives him, and has to make the best of it.

It is the roster changes that point to pleasing the coach and some very expensive trades/moves.

So the notion that skilled guys like EP, Lekerimakki or Wilander won't be able to find a home on a Tocchet-coached team, is really pretty far out there in the Twilight Zone.

Not really if you look at the type of players already jettisoned and that another of that style now languishes, Pettersson.

If this were the case, Tocchet would have turned 'thumbs down' on the acquisition of Erik Brannstrom.......and if he'd been overruled by the front office, he wouldn't be playing him 15 minutes a night.

The defence depth is so shallow and slow that Brannstrom is an upgrade on Juulsen, Forbort, Freidman. He plays but not big (11) minutes. Any of those named here could be a top 3/4 dman with one injury.

Roster construction is the job of Allvin and Rutherford, period, end of story. I'm sure they consult the coach......but at the end of the day, the buck stops upstairs.

Well it is a big change from signing players like Mikheyev or Kuzmenko to Heinen and Sherwwod.
The story on losing coaches usually is, "he can only play what he has"

 

[theguardianII]

It’s crazy we are proposing trading Petey, and I get it, I remember a couple years ago when he was playing even worse before he figured it out we were hoping to just lose his 7 million cap hit
For now Petey will be under a lens until he’s back back, but his play is rounding form, I think when he gets out of his funk he will be that 100 point player and watch out this team will be deadly
I think we target Bowen Byram, Buffalo has lots of defensemen

It is good to hope but the eye test is the real measure.
When it is a "win" that the player "looks good on the ice" but isn't contributing in a role designated for him that is not good.

Think of it as Joshua comes back and never hits or Heinen backs off forechecking. Those are their strengths, if they stopped doing that they would be watching the game. The only thing keeping EP in the lineup is 11+ million dollars.

 

[Vector]

Jeannot’s Hit on Boeser

• #1 thing Friedman looks at, when there’s head contact, is to see if the receiving player moved their head at the last moment or made a sudden movement that prevents the offending player from altering their path
• In this case responsibility is entirely on Jeannot
• Sometimes when a player comes back in the game, the player won’t get a suspension; that didn’t happen here

Senators, Sabres, & Red Wings

• All in the same situation
• These teams tease you with their potential
• Sabres out there looking to see what’s available and now there are rumours out there about Byram
• A few teams asked about Dylan Cozens
• Kevyn Adams is not interested in trading either right now

Nashville Predators

• Trotz “radioed” himself; didn’t mean the way it was interpreted
• Hopes Trotz doesn’t stop doing weekly radio/podcast interviews; doesn’t know if there’s another GM that does this weekly
• Lots of guys have term and trade protection
• Nashville is a “no tax” state
• Teams don’t “blow it up” two months after making big acquisitions
• Can trade Fabbro, Novak, and Nyquist but a lot of the big pieces you can’t trade or they won’t accept a move
• Trotz meant that they have some young players in the AHL and maybethey give those players a chance sooner than he thought
• Can’t get the 2nd line centre situation sorted out
• Skjei and Josi are having trouble playing together
• Too perimeter
• Even if there are trades, won’t be a true rebuild
• Trotz is frustrated and trying to “light a fire under them”
• Almost nothing Trotz say is meant to be understood in one sentence
• When a team is struggling other GMs don’t “throw you a life preserver” but they “throw you an anvil”
• Suspects that next game, someone notable could be a healthy scratch
• Scratches are closer to the bottom of the roster and if you really want to send a message, need to have someone who expects to play sit

Pittsburgh Penguins

• Sullivan was asked if all his players played hard after the last game and said there were a few guys “I thought a lot of the group play extremely hard”
• Media and fans are going to be guessing who he’s talking about
• The players he’s referring to, know exactly who they are
• Suspects Sullivan is talking about Erik Karlsson