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[StreetHawk]

Too much term on their vets. Save for Jossi, any deal for the rest is going to be hard to conclude.

 

[Vector]

Last year the Predators canceled a U2 concert.
This year they are threatening to behind the rebuild. Seems like Trotz is just trying to shock his team into living up to expectations. Pretty much everyone of consequence on that team has term.

Maybe the Canucks can buy low on Colton Sissons to be the 4th line centre.

 

[PavelBure10]

Good time to inquire on defensemen Carrier or Fabbro if the Predators are down and out.

I think Carrier would be a welcomed addition since he is a great puck mover and can be used in any situation.

 

[wonton15]

Sissons and Carrier would be a good get for some of our needs, but I imagine teams would pay more for Carrier and it doesn’t exactly turn us into a contender. Need to knock the d trade out of the park.

 

[sting101]

That Stamkos deal when they already had Forsberg for that role was strange. If it was 1 or 2 yrs sure give it a try but now it's just a bleed down contract and you have to try and facilitate a bad fit. Anchor deal

Luke Evangelista was playing like a top6 RW. They really needed another C as Novak was a flash in the pan as a top6 and Sissons should be fazed to a 4C or even RW with his skating.

It's not like the market was ripe for top6 Cs but that certainly should have been the goal to at least find someone to try in that role. Krebs Sillinger Zegras Frost or even go get a veteran in Granlund or Brock Nelson. Got an excess of young winger prospects not sure why after Forsberg they needed 2 fossils needing prime offensive situations to have success to overpay in AAV and term

L'Heureux Wood Svechkov Molendyk and Kemell trending in the right direction and 5 picks in the first 2 round this year (3 1sts 2 2nds ) Tomasino i always thought is a good player but he's struggled to break through same as Parssinen. Jack Matier is a good 3RD prospect down the road possibly.

I know they probably felt some pressure with Josi aging but you still have to look at 2-3yrs down the road especially when your in the 2nd 3rd tier of teams

 

[VanillaCoke]

Nashville should trade for Kuzmenko

 

[Lindgren]

The problem is who is dealing us a top four RD that could consistently play with Hughes? That kind of talent is very rarely available, and in the event one is they'll come at a premium cost we really can't afford.

Say, for example, Andersson shakes loose. There's no scenario we acquire him without Willander going the other way. And then we won't be able to afford in two years when he inevitably wants 7-8M because we're stuck with 5M in dead cap.

It just isn't going to happen unless we get lucky acquiring someone like Byram who suddenly explodes.

That's why I advocate for a Dallas Smith clone: not an obvious top four type, but a guy who can quietly complement one of the game's best players. Bobby Orr didn't need a partner who was a top four. He had the puck all the time, and he just needed a defensive guy with a decent IQ who was a high-average skater and had a good understanding of his role. That was Smith.

In the first half of the seventies, Orr was notching about 120 points a season (in a league watered down by an expansion that doubled its size). Playing alongside him, Smith averaged about 30 points and allowed Orr to do his thing.

 

[MS]

That's why I advocate for a Dallas Smith clone: not an obvious top four type, but a guy who can quietly complement one of the game's best players. Bobby Orr didn't need a partner who was a top four. He had the puck all the time, and he just needed a defensive guy with a decent IQ who was a high-average skater and had a good understanding of his role. That was Smith.

In the first half of the seventies, Orr was notching about 120 points a season (in a league watered down by an expansion that doubled its size). Playing alongside him, Smith averaged about 30 points and allowed Orr to do his thing.

I’m more of a Rod Seiling guy myself.

 

[bobbyb2009]

Just my two cents, but I don’t think anyone much cared that he blasted the trolls online. But in the same breath, he took a bunch of shots at the Canucks organization and players - people that CBC counts on having good relationships with and access to. I suspect behind the scenes he was likely coached not to bite the proverbial hand that feeds, no matter how empathetic his employer and colleagues were to what he was dealing with with the trolls.

For that matter, I believe Bieksa likely got a similar chat for his remarks about the media in Edmonton (even though he was bang on).

I am sorry to ask, but I missed the comments. Any chance of a summary of those?

 

[Wisp]

I am sorry to ask, but I missed the comments. Any chance of a summary of those?

"Canucks Twitter, you’re an absolute joke, your team’s a joke, you’re a bunch of losers. So, the Oilers are going to the Stanley Cup Finals, and I hope you guys are having fun watching it on TV and watching me on the panel, because you guys are not there. Have fun with your little whining tweets,” Gazdic told the Oilers-focused podcast.
"It’s the most garbage gibberish trash I’ve ever seen. Canucks Twitter, you are an absolute joke. Your team’s a joke. You’re a bunch of losers,” he added."

Canucks: Sportsnet responds to analyst Luke Gazdic's anti-Canucks rant

Former Oiler turned Hockey Night in Canada analyst Luke Gazdic called Canucks fans 'losers' earlier this week

theprovince.com

It was a shockingly unprofessional, biased rant from a guy whose job demands impartiality. Even Elliot Friedman couldn't defend it and called it a 'mistake.'

 

[Vector]

Oh come on! I just suggested he’d be a decent target!

 

[Lindgren]

I’m more of a Rod Seiling guy myself.

Dale Rolfe is probably a better comparable, if you're looking for the guy who partnered Brad Park on the Rangers. But the point stands: Park, also, didn't need to play with a typical top pairing guy (Rolfe scored 25 goals over nine years.)

The cost to acquire the equivalent of Dallas Smith/Dale Rolfe/Jeff Beukeboom/Charlie Huddy, the partners (for the young ones who can't be expected to remember) of Orr, Park, Leetch, and Coffey respectively, should be lower than the cost of acquiring a genuine second pair d-man, whether on the left or the right.

My guess at the time was that this was the Canucks thinking when they acquired Desharnais. But then they didn't even try him in the spot during preseason, after having perplexingly given McWard a long look there the year before.

On a completely different topic ... LHD Elias Pettersson has only three assists but leads all Abbotsford defensemen in +/- with a +4. But, +/- ...

 

[bobbyb2009]

Edit

 

[Lindgren]

I am sorry, is he not a left D?

You're correct. I shall edit. Stupid mistake.

(Maybe I was thinking of RHD Christian Felton.)

 

[bobbyb2009]

"Canucks Twitter, you’re an absolute joke, your team’s a joke, you’re a bunch of losers. So, the Oilers are going to the Stanley Cup Finals, and I hope you guys are having fun watching it on TV and watching me on the panel, because you guys are not there. Have fun with your little whining tweets,” Gazdic told the Oilers-focused podcast.
"It’s the most garbage gibberish trash I’ve ever seen. Canucks Twitter, you are an absolute joke. Your team’s a joke. You’re a bunch of losers,” he added."

Canucks: Sportsnet responds to analyst Luke Gazdic's anti-Canucks rant

Former Oiler turned Hockey Night in Canada analyst Luke Gazdic called Canucks fans 'losers' earlier this week

theprovince.com

It was a shockingly unprofessional, biased rant from a guy whose job demands impartiality. Even Elliot Friedman couldn't defend it and called it a 'mistake.'

Thanks so much for this summary. Yikes. Has he done any Canucks games this year? The worst part for me is that he maybe should have said something to qualify it by saying, you guys have a great team, but... your twitter is an absolute joke and nobody should be trolled like my family and I are being trolled right now etc.. But he went after the team too- strange in itself

 

[LemonSauceD]

I’m not going to judge a man who had an emotional response to receiving very disgusting personal attacks about himself and his family and vented his obvious frustration and anger on a podcast.

If someone said those things to me face to face in public, they would have their face caved in. People are just too comfortable on the internet.

 

[tradervik]

Twitter has devolved from a trashy but fun dive bar to a nightmarish milieu populated by inbred cave dwelling cannibals.

 

[CanucksMJL]

Twitter has devolved from a trashy but fun dive bar to a nightmarish milieu populated by inbred cave dwelling cannibals.

It's nice to find a place where a guy can finally just be himself.

 

[moiderer]

Thanks so much for this summary. Yikes. Has he done any Canucks games this year? The worst part for me is that he maybe should have said something to qualify it by saying, you guys have a great team, but... your twitter is an absolute joke and nobody should be trolled like my family and I are being trolled right now etc.. But he went after the team too- strange in itself

He's been on the panel a couple of times including HNIC. He's not the best broadcaster but the quality of SN has gone down the toilet in general so it's not entirely on him.

I’m not going to judge a man who had an emotional response to receiving very disgusting personal attacks about himself and his family and vented his obvious frustration and anger on a podcast.

If someone said those things to me face to face in public, they would have their face caved in. People are just too comfortable on the internet.

I do sympathize with him but retain some annoyance that he hasn't explicitly apologized.

Twitter shitheads can hide inside their dungeons but he's in a role where he can't publicly trash the entire team and its fanbase (particularly the team) while covering them.

Elliotte and SN didn't have to go out of their way to defend him on multiple instances and platforms when he could have made a statement himself.

 

[I Hart Conor Garland]

Twitter has devolved from a trashy but fun dive bar to a nightmarish milieu populated by inbred cave dwelling cannibals.

Is Twitter like a euphemism for the USA?

 

[DFAC]

In wonder if there's any chance a guy like Wilander could play with Hughes sooner rather than later? Hughes has the puck so much when he's out there, that anyone who plays with him is almost automatically playing 'sheltered minutes'.

If would enable them to move Hronek down the depth chart and anchor a legit second-pairing.

The last thing we need to do is rush another top prospect.

 

[Wisp]

I’m not going to judge a man who had an emotional response to receiving very disgusting personal attacks about himself and his family and vented his obvious frustration and anger on a podcast.

If someone said those things to me face to face in public, they would have their face caved in. People are just too comfortable on the internet.

still got to be a professional. He's a grown man. Why do the Canucks and you and me have to take flack because Gazdic can't differentiate who to be mad at?

 

[LemonSauceD]

still got to be a professional. He's a grown man. Why do the Canucks and you and me have to take flack because Gazdic can't differentiate who to be mad at?

I obviously don’t agree with what he said. But I can recognize what he said was out of anger and not truly reflective of what he actually thinks.

I don’t think he owes an apology. He was literally harassed and still continues to be. He just needs to be better at controlling his emotions next time.

It’s a two way street. We bash commentators, analysts, hockey journalists, players whether it’s warranted or not. Overly sensitive fans sending personal attacks and calling him sensitive for having visceral reaction is just pure hypocrisy.

And to note, it was on a podcast where he’s allowed to freely speak his mind, not on national television.

 

[racerjoe]

Twitter has devolved from a trashy but fun dive bar to a nightmarish milieu populated by inbred cave dwelling cannibals.

I honestly don’t understand why people like him still use twitter…. Like if they moved to a new platform their audience would move… it’s purpose was served… now move to a new place.

 

[theguardianII]

Canucks have a problem, more along the lines of differences that knock down fights.
The new management came in with a core they liked, EP,QH, JTM, TD.
They drafted and traded to improve and help that group.

But when they hired Tocchet they changed to give Tocchet the players he wanted or type of players.

This changes what the drafted and traded players role's were/will be but those players were not drafted/traded for because they were Tarzans.

The best prospect forward, Lekkerimaki, is not close to being a Tocchet guy, he is more of a skilled perimeter player much like Pettersson was.
Willander is another that isn't a defensive juggernaut.

Because these players are NOT Tocchet guys will management go all in and sell these types of players for more Heinen's, Joshua's or Blueger's.

If they trade EP, JK and TW then they are going all in on Tocchet's vision of a team. Right now the bottom 9 are more important to Tocchet's style than a top six.

That Tocchet is playing QH close to half a game shows his lack of confidence in the rest of the D or a lack of offensive from the forwards.

Tocchet's next contract has to be considered as well in who he will play. Is 8 million too much?