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the clique thing with the wheeler comparison is probably the most compelling case here for trading miller and dealing with the consequences.
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Schmaltz would not be the centrepiece to any deal, but he’s a very good hockey player and I believe he’s good friends with Quinn Hughes
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I don't see why Utah would want to swap Schmaltz for Miller if they want to improve. Miller is of course the better player in a vacuum but if you swap them the improvement is likely marginal for Utah, especially for this season.
Crouse looks like he's having a horrendous year and the other two likely aren't of interest to Vancouver given LD is our strongest position when it comes to prospects both in terms of depth and being near NHL-ready.
Kesselring as the main piece makes the most sense from a Canucks perspective.
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NJ has the pieces but I also think it makes sense because they don’t have anyone like Miller. They also will likely need to get past Florida. Miller would be a great piece to have against a team like Florida.
Mercer seems logical. But only makes 4 million.
Palat also makes sense because of his high salary. Don’t think he’s a cap dump but at 6 million I think he wouldn’t carry much value.
They aren’t going to want to deal Nemec, too risky. Seamus Casey I like but he’s small and the Canucks hate small players.
What about Anton Silayev? Doesn’t have a path to the NHL because of their depth at all.
Mercer
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Silayev
Canucks get a long term solution on D. Because their 2nd best prospect behind Willander (future partner). They get a good 3C and a decent winger to replace Boeser. The salaries work. Maybe the Canucks ship out Heinen as well?
If Silayev and Mercer were in a Miller deal I would be happy.
Mercer seems logical. But only makes 4 million.
Palat also makes sense because of his high salary. Don’t think he’s a cap dump but at 6 million I think he wouldn’t carry much value.
They aren’t going to want to deal Nemec, too risky. Seamus Casey I like but he’s small and the Canucks hate small players.
What about Anton Silayev? Doesn’t have a path to the NHL because of their depth at all.
Mercer
Palat
Silayev
Canucks get a long term solution on D. Because their 2nd best prospect behind Willander (future partner). They get a good 3C and a decent winger to replace Boeser. The salaries work. Maybe the Canucks ship out Heinen as well?
If Silayev and Mercer were in a Miller deal I would be happy.
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A Miller trade feels like it's all but inevitable now, likely immediately after the 4 Nations Cup.
And honestly, there's a pretty compelling case for it even aside from what's happened this season.
He's in his 30's, and his play will likely degrade from here. We especially see if for players who play the style he does. Their bodies cannot keep up.
The Canucks #1 priority needs to be keeping Quinn Hughes. To do that, they need to position themselves as a team with a long term competitive window, which means that they cannot have players aging out. They also need to make Quinn's job as captain easier.
The Canucks can get real, tangible assets for Miller that will help the team. They will open up a massive hole in their center depth, but can fill another hole. It's true that you cannot win a trade for a top 20 player who is in their 20's. But you can definitely win trades for players who are in their 30's. From an asset management view of things, the fact that they can get value from Miller should be seen as a win for management.
I also think Miller has been overrated a bit. He's a good but not great player. His best season came from being deployed with Quinn Hughes. It's now well established that anyone who plays with Quinn Hughes gets a massive boost. If they get a center in the trade and deploy him the same way that Miller has been deployed, it's very likely that player will suddenly look like a star.
Don't get me wrong: this trade will weaken the Canucks this season. But they are still well positioned to make the playoffs, and should be able to use the cap space to their advantage to fill holes on the team. In the medium to long term, a trade will make the team better.
And honestly, there's a pretty compelling case for it even aside from what's happened this season.
He's in his 30's, and his play will likely degrade from here. We especially see if for players who play the style he does. Their bodies cannot keep up.
The Canucks #1 priority needs to be keeping Quinn Hughes. To do that, they need to position themselves as a team with a long term competitive window, which means that they cannot have players aging out. They also need to make Quinn's job as captain easier.
The Canucks can get real, tangible assets for Miller that will help the team. They will open up a massive hole in their center depth, but can fill another hole. It's true that you cannot win a trade for a top 20 player who is in their 20's. But you can definitely win trades for players who are in their 30's. From an asset management view of things, the fact that they can get value from Miller should be seen as a win for management.
I also think Miller has been overrated a bit. He's a good but not great player. His best season came from being deployed with Quinn Hughes. It's now well established that anyone who plays with Quinn Hughes gets a massive boost. If they get a center in the trade and deploy him the same way that Miller has been deployed, it's very likely that player will suddenly look like a star.
Don't get me wrong: this trade will weaken the Canucks this season. But they are still well positioned to make the playoffs, and should be able to use the cap space to their advantage to fill holes on the team. In the medium to long term, a trade will make the team better.
Id include Ben Dover and Baul Zack if possible.
I can settle for Hugh G. Rection though.
Your article illustrates how difficult it will be to acquire suitable replacements down the middle for either player, in the same deal or separately. It also shows why it's imperative a center is included in any deal for either.
Beyond the two, this is what the organization has as of today. Suter (pending UFA), Blueger, Raty, Sasson, Aman, Ty Mueller Riley Patterson, Daimon Gardner. That's about it.
They have an immediate need for both LH and RHD as well, but aside from Willander, their RHD pipeline is pretty bleak with only McWard, Woo, Parker Alcos, and Aiden Celebrini.
They'll want to get players who can contribute now, whether folks here like it or not, and they might have to take a chance on a player like Mercer or Cozens actually turning into a full-time NHL center. Wingers and futures are not going to be what they look for as central pieces. They also need to draft a couple high-end centers and RHD or two ASAP.
Too bad they couldn't deal both, same day, pull the trigger simultaneously as to not negatively impact the return on either. Two centers out with two centers and two defencemen back would be all good with me, but having two of their core, and highest paid, players wearing letters being malcontents negatively impacting the rest of the team, just can't be acceptable. I know this is definitely not how it's going to play out, I'm just saying I'd be all for it.
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I'd only give up future considerations for bofa
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He was his center at North Dakota, and that was one of the best lines in NCAA history
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I don't understand how anyone here thinks trading Boeser and Miller is a good idea. The return will be super unwelming for either not to mention we probably won't make the playoffs again anytime in the next few years. Our best winger would be DeBrusk. And 2nd centre Suter? LMAO. Honestly I hope no trades happens and this core can reset in the off season and get a good piece on D and start fresh next year.
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A bit surprised at that, there are clearly major dressing room issues.
Sometimes you have to cut bait even if you lose the deal. Think about the impact this has had on the team. Hughes, Demko, Boeser all pissed off. You either make a move and hope its not too late or stand pat and things keep getting worse...
Its already a disaster, figure it out and make a move.
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I'd prefer not to have to trade either of them, but at this point they're not doing much to give management confidence that they're long term fixtures here. I don't believe Miller has "checked out" like many have suggested, but he's built himself a rut of epic proportions that he can't seem to get himself out of and has probably dragged Boeser down with him. The team is in utter disarray, Tocchet has no answers, Hughes has to be exasperated trying to hold things up on his own...they have to do something to right the ship, even if its not for this year, but to give better vibes going forward and into next year...you can't have a cloud like this hanging over you. What they lose in player value they can make up for in cap space and maybe some new positivity and cohesiveness. At least thats how I'm looking at it.
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I don't understand why some here thinks The returns will be super underwhelming..
I think you are being too much of an idealist here thinking that the solution is to just run it back with this group. Something is just extremely rotten right now and structural changes need to be made for the long term viability of the club.
They aren't even talking to Boeser about an extension right now, probably because it's an extension that does not make sense for where this team is today. If you aren't going to extend him, and you are not looking like a sure thing playoff team, then the prudent thing is to just recoup a couple assets and not commit long term cap space to Boeser.
Yeah, obviously moving one or both of these players makes us look much worse on paper, at least through to the end of the season when more moves and signings can take place and a clearer vision for the future emerges. But also, if we are worse on paper for a couple months when we've been playing like absolute garbage for months, who cares? It's not like the team has been appointment viewing *with* Miller and Boeser in the lineup
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I don't think they'll be super underwhelming, but i don't think we are necessarily dealing from a strong position...especially not knowing what Miller's NMC impact will end up being.
Whoever they can find on the UFA or trade market that fits that cap space? Maybe Lekkerimaki takes a jump?
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