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[me2]

canucks should look to trade garland, his value is probably the highest it can be

Yes. They should have tested Boeser last off season, one of his rare up years and they bit hard on the fantasy instead of selling high.

 

[bossram]

Yes, I expect he'll still be moved, probably in the summer. But I do think if they trade Pettersson, they will have some optionality on the Miller trade, and may in the interim change messaging a bit to see if they can move away from vulture offers from the Rangers.

There are some reasons to not move Miller (at least in the short-term).

I'm just saying that thinking Miller is ever gonna change his behaviour is naive. This is who he is and who he has been his whole career.

 

[ephmrl]

With the Rangers extending Borgen, Drury may have more of an appetite to include Schneider in a Miller trade.

 

[VanillaCoke]

With the Rangers extending Borgen, Drury may have more of an appetite to include Schneider in a Miller trade.

Nah it just just means he doubles down on forcing lindgren on us, and we still dont want him, chytil or zib.

 

[Reverend Mayhem]

Hockey Robinson is right the whole core would come crashing down if they traded Pettersson, even Quinn.

Miller's gone, there's no saving that relationship.

In the long term, assuming they don't do something stupid, we're going to be happy they kept Pettersson.

Bingo. Couldn’t have worded it better myself.

 

[ephmrl]

Nah it just just means he doubles down on forcing lindgren on us, and we still dont want him, chytil or zib.

Chytil + Schneider + 1st and call it a day.

 

[Reverend Mayhem]

Oh, yeah. They totally should have gone harder in both 2011 and 2012 and traded more future draft picks and more prospects, paid to get rid of Ballard to open up cap space for better additions, etc.

I think you meant Carter instead of Perry in 2012 which is what confused me.

Interesting you bring up Carter. Seems like we’re gonna go for the Philly 2011 special. I didn’t mind the return they got for either guy, but it did make them a worse team also.

 

[M2Beezy]

With the Rangers extending Borgen, Drury may have more of an appetite to include Schneider in a Miller trade.

Doesnt Schnieder suck tho?

 

[VanillaCoke]

Chytil + Schneider + 1st and call it a day.

If that deal was available it's probably done already..
You dont get Schneider, u get Lindgren, which is why it isn't, thankfully.

 

[Nuckles]

 

[ephmrl]

Doesnt Schnieder suck tho?

I'm not as high on him as others, but he might end up being a solid #3-4 d man if he can find some consistency in his defensive game. Lots of times he ends up running around in his own zone while defending.

 

[Reverend Mayhem]

Doesnt Schnieder suck tho?

That’s quite the scouting report lol

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

Wonder when mgmt will come out and face the music?

And no. I don’t count Allvin coming out the other day and “talking to the media” as them facing the music.

And Rutherford used to come out and talk all the time. Crickets for awhile.

It just looks bad all around.

I guess they figured they could keep there mouth shut till a trade happened.

Well nothing has been done so it makes it worse and worse.

I expected more TBH.

 

[Three On Zero]

Doesnt Schnieder suck tho?

He’s not amazing, but he’s easily a #3 for us. Could play on 1st or 2nd pairing

 

[ephmrl]

Wonder when mgmt will come out and face the music?

And no. I don’t count Allvin coming out the other day and “talking to the media” as them facing the music.

And Rutherford used to come out and talk all the time. Crickets for awhile.

It just looks bad all around.

I guess they figured they could keep there mouth shut till a trade happened.

Well nothing has been done so it makes it worse and worse.

I expected more TBH.

Why is it taking Gillis so long to trade Luongo and Kesler? Maybe we should fire him and bring another GM in.

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

Why is it taking Gillis so long to trade Luongo and Kesler? Maybe we should fire him and bring another GM in.

Well ownership meddled with those dealings.

So there’s that.

 

[GranvilleIsland]

Well ownership meddled with those dealings.

So there’s that.

The best one was when Benning admitted he signed Sam Gagner because Francesco liked him. No wonder we suck this guy thought Sam Gagner was good at hockey when we signed him. "Hey he had that 8 point game he must be the second coming of?"

 

[SnapIt]

Is Gillis not highly regarded around here? I thought he was one of the best GMs and was limited by a meddling owner.

I had very high regards for Alvin and JR, except for the Boudreau Fiasco™, handling of the personal leave and inconsistencies in messaging, and the crappy defence this offseason.

Lately, it’s very concerning how it seems we’re taking a massive loss on either of our top six Cs. If we can’t get an impact player in exchange for Pettersson and the season is a wash, I wouldn’t take the bait from any of these terrible trade offers.

I keep wondering if their shopping of Pettersson is just more “feet to the fire”, or legitimate trade plans.

 

[Canuckle1970]

Mgmt already looks terrible for the following:

1. Going into the season with this defense
2. Publicly humiliating JT/EP as a "motivational tactic" to the point where now JT is good as gone for peanuts
3. Speaking of motivational tactics, they asked JT to get on EP to motivate him, literally the dumbest fking idea to anyone whose been following this team for awhile
4. Going into the season with this defense
5. Deliberately putting all of the media attention on the forwards and the core when the defense is completely rotten and helpless

I'm not saying fire them quite yet but I'm getting close. The above list is an irrefutable trainwreck of decisions and they'd be my frontrunners for the James Elmer Benning "worst GM of the year" award this year.

This.

So disheartened with the current situation. Injuries aside, so much of this shit has been self-inflicted. But I'm still hoping this management group can get this rectified, and it has to start with Miller's departure, for the sake of "the room".

 

[Peen]

Is Gillis not highly regarded around here? I thought he was one of the best GMs and was limited by a meddling owner.

I had very high regards for Alvin and JR, except for the Boudreau Fiasco™, handling of the personal leave and inconsistencies in messaging, and the crappy defence this offseason.

Lately, it’s very concerning how it seems we’re taking a massive loss on either of our top six Cs. If we can’t get an impact player in exchange for Pettersson and the season is a wash, I wouldn’t take the bait from any of these terrible trade offers.

I keep wondering if their shopping of Pettersson is just more “feet to the fire”, or legitimate trade plans.

For the most part, he is.

To the point where I started wondering about his return this morning lol

 

[me2]

That’s quite the scouting report lol

It's part of the highly nuanced Benning descriptive system.

Options: sucks, real gud

 

[Lupuls Grit]

canucks should look to trade garland, his value is probably the highest it can be

No. The Canucks need more players like him, not fewer.

 

[me2]

Petterson fan boys shocked that even the management has soured on him.

People have been villainizing JT for months just to find out the management is just as sick of EP 40’s antics.

Amazing to see. Lmao

Management soured on Miller a month after they got here and have been trying to trade him every year since. They just aren't very good at it.

 

[SeawaterOnIce]

Is Gillis not highly regarded around here? I thought he was one of the best GMs and was limited by a meddling owner.

His early moneyball moves were fantastic but he did get very fortunate that Sundin turned down a 2 year contract.

Somewhere around 2012...he got too over confident. He felt he could hit on the many low risk signings and trades rather than making a larger impact move. Gillis has even admitted he could have done more to fortify that 2011-2012 team and prolong the window.

 

[Nucker42]

Can’t believe anyone would say trade Garland when his value is high. That’s insane, this team only trades players when they have absolutely crushed their value and are untradable.

Get it together.