last reply cause your post makes no sense, firing Allvin is not knee jerk.
He's been here since Jan 2022, that 3 years.
I don't think we need to reach Benning lows for change.
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He's been here since Jan 2022, that 3 years.
I don't think we need to reach Benning lows for change.
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Can you provide some more examples of their track record of signing high selling low?
mriswith
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Mgmt already looks terrible for the following:
1. Going into the season with this defense
2. Publicly humiliating JT/EP as a "motivational tactic" to the point where now JT is good as gone for peanuts
3. Speaking of motivational tactics, they asked JT to get on EP to motivate him, literally the dumbest fking idea to anyone whose been following this team for awhile
4. Going into the season with this defense
5. Deliberately putting all of the media attention on the forwards and the core when the defense is completely rotten and helpless
I'm not saying fire them quite yet but I'm getting close. The above list is an irrefutable trainwreck of decisions and they'd be my frontrunners for the James Elmer Benning "worst GM of the year" award this year.
1. Going into the season with this defense
2. Publicly humiliating JT/EP as a "motivational tactic" to the point where now JT is good as gone for peanuts
3. Speaking of motivational tactics, they asked JT to get on EP to motivate him, literally the dumbest fking idea to anyone whose been following this team for awhile
4. Going into the season with this defense
5. Deliberately putting all of the media attention on the forwards and the core when the defense is completely rotten and helpless
I'm not saying fire them quite yet but I'm getting close. The above list is an irrefutable trainwreck of decisions and they'd be my frontrunners for the James Elmer Benning "worst GM of the year" award this year.
Glennis the Menace
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It's 100% knee jerk. Once again, name a single franchise that has done this and seen success—any league. Happy to eat crow if you can actually point to firing Ruthervin and letting Aquaman meddle being anything other than a late night 650-level take.
Pettersson signing at 11.6 is not signing him at peak value?
now we are trading him when he's struggling is not a low?
Signing Kuzmenko after a 39 goal season is not signing high?
then ride him in the dog house and treat him like a cap dump months after is not selling low?
The fact the canucks are looking to trade MIller/Petey now, we have very little leverage, teams are looking at our team like we must do something. Thats naturally negotiating from a disadvantage.
Signing Boeser to 6.65 for 3 years, then 1 year into the deal, they were begging teams to take him.
It was widely reported that the management even asked Boeser agent to get involved, and widely reported that teams only were willing if the canucks ate a significant portion of his cap. We couldn't even give Boeser away for free.
They are still 'evaluating" Boeser as a player.
How did Myers get 3x 3m all the way till he's 37 with a full NMC is beyond me. because he had an ok playoffs?
If you trade Miller, I wouldn’t mind using the assets and some of our own to go and acquire Barzal.
Pettersson-Barzal line would be great and Barzal would be a legitimate puck mover up front that can help out Hughes in terms of driving play. Barzal I believe is 2nd to McDavid in terms of having the puck on his stick or whatever that stats called.
Pettersson-Barzal line would be great and Barzal would be a legitimate puck mover up front that can help out Hughes in terms of driving play. Barzal I believe is 2nd to McDavid in terms of having the puck on his stick or whatever that stats called.
management telling Miller to get on Pettersson was beyond dumb and opened up all this conflict. Bieksa talked about that its not the players responsibility to motivate other players.
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If you want my opinion..
This year cold start with 5 points in 10 games, got injured and came back and since then (with a few games cold start coming out of injury) he has 14 points in 16 games.
Last year he was great. He needs a sniper with him and Horvat is that, he gets open and his shot off quick. So you do have to placate to him to get a star with him but most guys have a running mate with them. Is it bad to have Reinhart with Barkov? Of course not.
As far as other years idk, Nelson was better some but that's a compliment to him. Underrated as hell league wide. Barzal almost always leads the team in points and under Trotz his numbers were going to go down but he was still our best, most talented forward. Never really an issue.
The criticism from me is the PP runs through him and he has no shot threat and outside of entry he holds it back because he holds on to it too long. The other criticism is obvious which is he will hit the perimeter instead of driving the net. Also arguably overpaid by a few for someone who's a 75-85 point guy.
The positives are that he's undeniably dynamic with the puck and when he was out you sorely missed the puck transportation, he honestly might be best in the league or top 3. Also he performed every playoffs. That's a big kudos out of me. Probably worth the extra 500-750K for that in response to above.
Few months ago I was into a Petey for Barzy swap but now with Nelson and Palms likely going elsewhere I think it's redundant long term. I'd rather add. Of course your GM could not be interested if he wasn't the centerpiece but then I'm fine not making the trade.
Barzal is fast and is a good setup man. He's obviously a good target.
But he should be the last player NYI trades. Dobson should be traded before Barzal.
Dobson is not a fit on Vancouver. He's better offensively than defensively and no one is displacing Hughes as our main offensive dman.
But he should be the last player NYI trades. Dobson should be traded before Barzal.
Dobson is not a fit on Vancouver. He's better offensively than defensively and no one is displacing Hughes as our main offensive dman.
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Take time to listen to McKinnon and the dynamics of star players and the "room" He speaks about "culture" and of course winning the cup and being a cup contender.
When was the last time this kind of talk was around here? 1994 and 2010. 15 years of blah.
Odd that when Colorado management made the decision that their group wasn't good enough and they did a mini rebuild their star went on the rise and reached the top of the mountain.
A year after making the playoffs for the first time in 4 years they chose to rebuild. 3 years later they were back and haven't missed since.
They hired a coach the grew with the team, not a Tocchet tyrant more a Boudreau type
When was the last time this kind of talk was around here? 1994 and 2010. 15 years of blah.
Odd that when Colorado management made the decision that their group wasn't good enough and they did a mini rebuild their star went on the rise and reached the top of the mountain.
A year after making the playoffs for the first time in 4 years they chose to rebuild. 3 years later they were back and haven't missed since.
They hired a coach the grew with the team, not a Tocchet tyrant more a Boudreau type
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The developments of this season to be one of those moments in Canucks history where "Burk almost traded Naslund for a third," or "Nonis almost traded Kesler, Schneider, and Edler for the Ghost of Brad Richards."
Hedging their opinion based on a medical team that has failed us since f***ing Cody Hodgson is also not great.
I think it’s not unreasonable to want to trade him if they think his body can’t hold up or ever recover. But to make that opinion, they better send him over to Switzerland and have some actual medical experts give that opinion and not from the quack medical team we have now.
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The amount of leaks around the team resemble the Benning years, it's borderline ridiculous at this point. They need to get a handle on it, as its one of the reasons the situation has spiraled (the other being their stupidity in leaving the defense without puck movers, compounding the frustration the forwards are feeling).
theguardianII
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If cap space is acquired then think of the 5.5 mil in dead cap space next year due to the buyouts as added
Barzal might be a great fit for Boeser
Dobson is not a bad thought. It is almost a common comment around here that Hughes wants to play with his brothers, so really 2 years maybe. IMO Hughes greatest value ever will be on the cusp of his recent Norris trophy play AND his small cap hit for one year if he is traded at or for the #1 pick in 2026 as part of a deal.
This group was never going to last another 5 years together and the team hasn't really changed anything in the core. One core player traded isn't going to cure the room or suddenly make 40 goal scorers out of bottom six players. Just another year of the same only with all eyes left on whomever is left over.
Other teams are improving faster with younger players than the Canucks have been for years. The Canucks haven't been stuck in the mushy middle, they haven't achieved those lofty heights yet or will. One fluke year with no injuries and hitting many teams on the skids at the right time with goalies that couldn't stop a beach ball.
The nice thing is Dobson will be less expensive than Hughes to resign, not a prolific a scorer but solid
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They haven't sold low on any of those players though. You're jumping to a worst case scenario conclusion.
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things have gone very bad over the last month. mind blowing what’s happened.
and yeah, i mean. the first year or so of this management group wasn’t good.
then they were impeccably good.
and if they can’t right this ship by the end of this season, that’ll be 2 bad years out of 3.
i don’t want to touch the hughes thing. just clean house and move on from the non hughes guys because it’s clearly all done. especially now that this pettersson to carolina thing leaked and that relationship is gone. whatever was left is gone. if they, for some reason, don’t deal him before that nmc kicks in, he’s instantly demanding a trade to a cherry picked group of teams. as he should. we’ve gotta get in front of that now.
i don’t think most people are emotional about it either at this point. it’s like there’s nothing to even be emotional about. just rip that band aid off and lets go
and yeah, i mean. the first year or so of this management group wasn’t good.
then they were impeccably good.
and if they can’t right this ship by the end of this season, that’ll be 2 bad years out of 3.
i don’t want to touch the hughes thing. just clean house and move on from the non hughes guys because it’s clearly all done. especially now that this pettersson to carolina thing leaked and that relationship is gone. whatever was left is gone. if they, for some reason, don’t deal him before that nmc kicks in, he’s instantly demanding a trade to a cherry picked group of teams. as he should. we’ve gotta get in front of that now.
i don’t think most people are emotional about it either at this point. it’s like there’s nothing to even be emotional about. just rip that band aid off and lets go
Looking back trading Miller over Horvat was a mistake. Guy is a lockerroom cancer, and Horvat while not as good was a great teammate.
Kind of miss him to be honest.
Kind of miss him to be honest.
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Seems strange to simultaneously look to deal both EP and Miller while being interested in signing Boeser long term.
Who is he going to play with?
Are they hoping to get a mix of players back to keep them competitive and just roll the dice?
This all seems very chaotic.
Who is he going to play with?
Are they hoping to get a mix of players back to keep them competitive and just roll the dice?
This all seems very chaotic.
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Is this to say they made the wrong bet the first time or that they haven't known what to do with him throughout?
With them having yo-yo'd on Boeser, to offering him a deal now (one he won't take), has me considering that the line between trading or keeping a player is so very thin here. That they are so confident in mitigating any loss, that they think they can mitigate even franchise level losses (Pettersson) adequately.
Is this delusion? Are they too high on themselves? Has me wondering.
I have a longer post coming about this for the Miller thread.
They should have never traded Horvat.
My thoughts as well. Horvat obviously isn't as dynamic a player. But he was younger, the team captain, and desperately wanted to stay a Canuck. More importantly he was rock solid in the room.
But keeping Miller may not have been their biggest mistake. If rumors were true, before Pettersson signed his mega-deal, they had something serious on the table from the Hurricanes. Names like Necas, Kotkaniemi and prospects were being tossed around. With the benefit of 'hindsight' that failed deal was a mistake.
And it's becoming increasingly obvious that Miller and his agent are seriously binding the Canucks hands when it comes to a potential deal. It's looking much the same as when Kesler told the Canucks he only wanted to be traded to a team in SoCal......and they ended up with pretty underwhelming return from the Ducks.
It's looking more and more like it's Miller to the Rangers, or bust.
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Trade Miller, completely revamp the trash defence in the offseason to prioritize a transition game and trade off all the oversized pylons , and fire the neanderthals in Tocchet and Foote and hire a coaching staff that realizes it's not 2003 anymore and puck possesion is important. Do all that and I think things will be just fine next year. Also offer sheet Luke hughes at 9.15 Million AAV
Mr. Canucklehead
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While I agree Horvat was a classy guy, I’m not sure I buy the narrative that Miller is a bad teammate. I suspect there’s more to the situation / story than we know - he obviously has a lot of people that admire and love him, but something has gone seriously sideways this year. We may never know the extent of it, or it may take a while to come out - but I just don’t think it’s as simple as he’s a toxic guy or bad teammate.
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If they trade the whole core am I allowed to be surprised? I'm not on Twitter
mriswith
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Best we can do it threaten to trade the whole core while publicly shaming them, but actually end up keeping them all.
Beatings will continue until morale improves.
