Grub's Canucks & NHL News, Rumours, and & Fantasy GM | Hockey Starts Now

[arttk]

Unless Suter wants a bigger payday, we shouldn't let him walk either. I'd much prefer over Sprong types.

Cap man.. you can’t keep everyone..

hog - Miller - Boeser
DeBrusk - Petey - Garland
Joshua - Raty - Lekk
Heinen - Bluegar - Sherwood
Bains

Does the math even work?

 

[sting101]

as of right now we will need 4-4.5 million (OEL BB6 HOG - Poolman Suter) just to keep things status quo with the same 1.5 for LD3.

Any deal for a Dman is either a rental or a salary in = salary out situation pending the Cap increase.

To get a top4 stud were moving Garland or a Hoglander Heinen Desharnais combination

 

[Bourne Endeavor]

Cap man.. you can’t keep everyone..

hog - Miller - Boeser
DeBrusk - Petey - Garland
Joshua - Raty - Lekk
Heinen - Bluegar - Sherwood
Bains

Does the math even work?

Assuming the cap goes up by four million again, which is the projected estimation, then the math does work.

Raty, Bains and Lekk are all under 1M. Boeser, ideally, is given Miller's contract. Maybe slightly higher but not by much.

That would leave us with approximately 3.7M to sign a LD. So keeping Suter is possible, depending where we allocate our cap space. Slotting Raty in the third center is nice and all but he hasn't shown anything to suggest he'll take it yet. Granted, Blueger can move up just fine.

 

[arttk]

Assuming the cap goes up by four million again, which is the projected estimation, then the math does work.

Raty, Bains and Lekk are all under 1M. Boeser, ideally, is given Miller's contract. Maybe slightly higher but not by much.

That would leave us with approximately 3.7M to sign a LD. So keeping Suter is possible, depending where we allocate our cap space. Slotting Raty in the third center is nice and all but he hasn't shown anything to suggest he'll take it yet. Granted, Blueger can move up just fine.

Yeah but we have Mik retention and OEL dead cap. You don’t want to go against the cap if you want rentals and the D is probably where you want to spend the money. Suter at 1.5M or whatever is fine but like 2-3 is just not worth it.

 

[Bourne Endeavor]

Yeah but we have Mik retention and OEL dead cap. You don’t want to go against the cap if you want rentals and the D is probably where you want to spend the money. Suter at 1.5M or whatever is fine but like 2-3 is just not worth it.

That's why I said under 2M. Basically, I'd offer term but not dollar amount. Most I'd probably go is 1.8M, though I'd try to keep him at his current cap hit.

As for the rest, I already accounted for that. Here's your roster:

Even with Mik and OEL, we still have 3.7M to play with. Not exactly much but enough to either keep the status quo or, preferably, upgrade our defense. The slight question mark is if Boeser signs for only 8M. Bains, Raty and Brannstrom are all RFAs. So they're not getting much.

 

[VanillaCoke]

No chance boeser makes more than Miller

 

[Flik]

That's why I said under 2M. Basically, I'd offer term but not dollar amount. Most I'd probably go is 1.8M, though I'd try to keep him at his current cap hit.

As for the rest, I already accounted for that. Here's your roster:

View attachment 922057

Even with Mik and OEL, we still have 3.7M to play with. Not exactly much but enough to either keep the status quo or, preferably, upgrade our defense. The slight question mark is if Boeser signs for only 8M. Bains, Raty and Brannstrom are all RFAs. So they're not getting much.

There is where I start to get a little annoyed at players that won't take slight discounts to stay here. Someone's gonna have to start leaving a bit of money on the table if they want to win as a Canuck, Boeser might be one to do it.

 

[Ernie]

No chance boeser makes more than Miller

He's 4 years younger than Miller. If he gets 30+ goals this season, he probably will, whether with the Canucks or another team.

 

[kanucks25]

Yeah the heat Myers gets on here is hilarious. He's just fine as a second pairing RH D. The guy will play 1200 games. But I guess all GM's and coaches in this league are morons because "OBC".....

I mean we've seen several moron coaches and management types go through here (let alone other places) over the last decade so it's not like it's that uncommon.

Myers was excellent last season but there haven't been many stretches of his career prior to that where you could say he's a legit top-4 on a contender, including all of his time here.

He's struggled to start this season, looking more like his old self. Can't blame anyone for preferring to push him down the lineup if they are afraid he will return to his norm.

That said, it's up for debate whether we should be looking for help on the left or right.

 

[VanillaCoke]

He's 4 years younger than Miller. If he gets 30+ goals this season, he probably will, whether with the Canucks or another team.

No chance boeser makes more than Miller here. ...

 

[kanucks25]

I find it interesting that the guy who got Pettersson out of his last funk was the fun-loving, uber-supportive Boudreau, not this macho mind-f***ing bullshit that's apparently going on now. PPG since he came into the league, defensively elite. 25 years old, one of the only homegrown stars we've ever had. Sure, run him out of town.

Nobody should have to coddle an $11.6 million player. If this is the case then he is indeed a baby lol.

Besides, there's very little evidence that the team is being "mean" to him; the battle drill was a nothing-burger and the only negative thing Tocchet has said about him is that he needs to move his feet more which nobody can deny.

 

[Canucker]

I mean we've seen several moron coaches and management types go through here (let alone other places) over the last decade so it's not like it's that uncommon.

Myers was excellent last season but there haven't been many stretches of his career prior to that where you could say he's a legit top-4 on a contender, including all of his time here.

He's struggled to start this season, looking more like his old self. Can't blame anyone for preferring to push him down the lineup if they are afraid he will return to his norm.

That said, it's up for debate whether we should be looking for help on the left or right.

I wouldn't even say he was "excellent" last year...he had a very good offensive season and played better than he had in previous years for sure...especially in the playoffs, it's probably the only reason why management agreed to bring him back, even at half the price...he was still quite the adventure in his own zone, as I believe he will continue to be...because he's never shown any real tangible growth as a defender...despite all the claims of him being a "student of the game".

Personally, anything we can do to take minutes away from Myers (especially on the PK) would be a benefit...so a top 4 RHD would be near the top of my list.

 

[tyhee]

Canucks had a spare first rounder. He played a full season before they extended him. Hronek was a good player in Detroit. He didn't have a partner to play top pair with and Detroit was a weaker team. I got no idea why Detroit got rid of him. ...

Moritz Seider had taken over as Detroit's 1st pair right defenceman and was likely to be in that position for many years. Rather than pay his #2 RD the salary of a #1, Yzerman traded Hronek so he'd have additional cap space to use starting the following season and for the 1st and 2nd round picks he got in exchange.

 

[Bourne Endeavor]

No chance boeser makes more than Miller here. ...

If he has another 35-40 goal season, we'd be crazy trying to haggle over a few 100k over 8M. It's not like the UFA market next season is brimming with 40 goal scorers.

Miller also signed well before the cap jump. So it's not a one to one comparison.

 

[arttk]

That's why I said under 2M. Basically, I'd offer term but not dollar amount. Most I'd probably go is 1.8M, though I'd try to keep him at his current cap hit.

As for the rest, I already accounted for that. Here's your roster:

View attachment 922057

Even with Mik and OEL, we still have 3.7M to play with. Not exactly much but enough to either keep the status quo or, preferably, upgrade our defense. The slight question mark is if Boeser signs for only 8M. Bains, Raty and Brannstrom are all RFAs. So they're not getting much.

That's why I said under 2M. Basically, I'd offer term but not dollar amount. Most I'd probably go is 1.8M, though I'd try to keep him at his current cap hit.

As for the rest, I already accounted for that. Here's your roster:

View attachment 922057

Even with Mik and OEL, we still have 3.7M to play with. Not exactly much but enough to either keep the status quo or, preferably, upgrade our defense. The slight question mark is if Boeser signs for only 8M. Bains, Raty and Brannstrom are all RFAs. So they're not getting much.

If we only gave so little cap we should use it to get like a more impactful player. Like trade away Heinen and use that money + more on a bette forward or trade away Desharnais and use that money on a top4 LD.

 

[Tinhorn1]

Nobody should have to coddle an $11.6 million player. If this is the case then he is indeed a baby lol.

Besides, there's very little evidence that the team is being "mean" to him; the battle drill was a nothing-burger and the only negative thing Tocchet has said about him is that he needs to move his feet more which nobody can deny.

I'm referring to this purported plan to get his teammates to try to toughen him up or whatever. I just hope that's not true. If there's something to say, the coaches should be the ones to say it. Don't screw around with a guy's teammates and play stupid games. And it doesn't matter what someone's getting paid - it's about doing what works and understanding what that thing is. Anyway, of course the only person who can make that happen, ultimately, is Pettersson.

 

[F A N]

Trading Willander would be re+arded IMO. Prospects who blow the doors off their D+1 season despite having major hurdles to success at the pro level make great trade bait. Prospects who have ++ skating, ++ compete and play a disciplined, defensively responsible pro ready game are assets to hold and develop. No deconstruction before reconstruction required at the next level. Then there's the cap situation....and the fact that we have a bunch of interesting LHD prospects with varying chances of pro success. Trading our only RHD prospect makes absolutely no sense.

Agreed. One exception is that there is a young top 4 D suddenly made available.

 

[F A N]

I think the plan is have him contributing like a 5.

Hughes - Hronek
Soucy - Myers
Top4 - Willander

And the last 2 paring are interchangeable.

I have a hard time seeing how we can win a Cup with that D. That top 4 LHD needs to be a #3. Myers will be 35 next year and Soucy would be in his last year. Willander will be a rookie.

 

[Bourne Endeavor]

If we only gave so little cap we should use it to get like a more impactful player. Like trade away Heinen and use that money + more on a bette forward or trade away Desharnais and use that money on a top4 LD.

Oh, I don't disagree. The player I'd really like us to target is Matheson. Not the sexy pick like Weeger would be but a very solid top four defenseman who we could likely get the Habs to retain on for a better pick. Getting someone like that at a low cap hit would be fantastic to offset our dead cap space.

Not sure they'll make that move though because christ is their defense already a tire fire with Matheson desperately trying to keep it afloat, but here's hoping.

 

[arttk]

I have a hard time seeing how we can win a Cup with that D. That top 4 LHD needs to be a #3. Myers will be 35 next year and Soucy would be in his last year. Willander will be a rookie.

What we have to start the season is not what we’ll have in the playoffs.

 

[theguardianII]

What we have to start the season is not what we’ll have in the playoffs.

How will they change it and with who?

They might not even be in a playoff spot by then. They may have to make a trade sooner rather than later.

What assets will they use?

Any high priced defenseman will have to be a rental because they just don't have the cap space at this time for next year, even to give Boeser a raise if he decided to stay.

 

[krutovsdonut]

You are correct, I start on one thing and then try to answer several other posts at the same time in one post.
I do that too often, I will try to get on and stay on one poster at a time.
thanks for the insight

read up on how to write a formal expository essay. stick to that format for a while.

everyone who wants to write a lot should read the little brown handbook (or equivalent) once. it is not just about grammar, but organizing thoughts.

i should probably read it again.

 

[krutovsdonut]

i think we wait and see who gets hurt or underperforms then make a trade strategy accordingly.

we also might need to spend treasure on a goalie. it's almost november and the demko timetable is starting to look like it will be two more weeks all season.

 

[arttk]

How will they change it and with who?

They might not even be in a playoff spot by then. They may have to make a trade sooner rather than later.

What assets will they use?

Any high priced defenseman will have to be a rental because they just don't have the cap space at this time for next year, even to give Boeser a raise if he decided to stay.

That’s why we have to start the season under the cap. We have picks to use as assets to trade and who cares if they are rentals if we are close.