strattonius
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or D petey.
Willander and D-Petey aren't even comparable at this point.
One of them looks like a sure fire top 4 d-man. A 'blue chip'.
The other we are all hoping will become an NHL'er one day...in any capacity.
or D petey.
then might as well stay status quo if they arent gonna trade of their top prospects. could hoglander be that piece? i know he resigned but teams might be interested.Willander and D-Petey aren't even comparable at this point.
One of them looks like a sure fire top 4 d-man. A 'blue chip'.
The other we are all hoping will become an NHL'er one day...in any capacity.
I am not debating that, i know Benning sucked, f*** him.this is what happens when the previous regime traded picks like candy. no interesting ready prospects to step in at all.
I mean, you can get a pretty good player with a 1st and b level prospect. If we are trading Willander, it will be for an all star level guy, that’s what blue chip prospect goes for.then might as well stay status quo if they arent gonna trade of their top prospects. could hoglander be that piece? i know he resigned but teams might be interested.
then might as well stay status quo if they arent gonna trade of their top prospects. could hoglander be that piece? i know he resigned but teams might be interested.
Yeah the heat Myers gets on here is hilarious. He's just fine as a second pairing RH D. The guy will play 1200 games. But I guess all GM's and coaches in this league are morons because "OBC".....They had Myers as their RD2 last playoffs and took the Western Conference champs to 7 games. If you can upgrade the left side for less cost, it’s not a bad option.
Cap, we need to keep Willander with his ELC to get past the OEL cap hit
Move a first?You have such a black and white concept of how teams plan and build and try to win.
Willander won't be traded and the team won't be staying status quo. Say it ain't so. Team will move a 1st this year to improve the blueline and the rest is wait and see.
They had Myers as their RD2 last playoffs and took the Western Conference champs to 7 games. If you can upgrade the left side for less cost, it’s not a bad option.
I think the plan is have him contributing like a 5.I think Willander should be close to being an untouchable but not for cap reasons.
I think relying on Willander to help the Canucks win a Cup in a top 4 role while on his ELC is a poor plan.
Move a first?
The cap!
The team will need to move salaries.
Right now it doesn't appear that management is sure what direction to take the team.
If they had kept the majority of the players from last year moving maybe one player, this year they would at least have a group history but 8 players are gone so this group might as well be new.
Tocchet wants clones so any player can play his system but that is only good for the mushy middle.
Wait? For what? Miller ain't getting any younger or faster. Brock is probably gone, they can't afford his next deal and you have to wonder why keep him, the team has had only one winning season.
Since 2014 the Nux have had two winning seasons, 2016 and last year, is that some reason to keep those players?
Jesus christ stop blabbering.
You wonder why you don't get any discourse around here it's because you take on 50 different arguments in one shot. How is someone supposed to respond to you? You can't stay focused on the topic at hand. It's like talking to a flat Earther. There are just so many god damn counter points no one knows where to start so they don't bother.
You'll probably 'like' this post and confuse the hell out of me.
Trading Willander would be re+arded IMO. Prospects who blow the doors off their D+1 season despite having major hurdles to success at the pro level make great trade bait. Prospects who have ++ skating, ++ compete and play a disciplined, defensively responsible pro ready game are assets to hold and develop. No deconstruction before reconstruction required at the next level. Then there's the cap situation....and the fact that we have a bunch of interesting LHD prospects with varying chances of pro success. Trading our only RHD prospect makes absolutely no sense.I think Willander should be close to being an untouchable but not for cap reasons.
I think relying on Willander to help the Canucks win a Cup in a top 4 role while on his ELC is a poor plan.
Some numbers from Patrick Johnston:
A look at the NHL’s Edge Stats engine reveals some interesting year-over-year data for Pettersson: In his first six games this year, he hasn’t hit the top speed he hit last season, and he hasn’t had nearly as many speed bursts as he did last year, either.
Indeed, his skating so far this season is in the bottom 50 per cent of the league — his top speed burst has been 34.2 km/h, below the league average of 34.7.
Last season, he was slightly above average, hitting 36.7 km/h, the league average at 35.6.
And the number of times he had speed bursts over 32 km/h is so far below average — he’s done so just six times, whereas the average NHL skater has done so nine times. Last year, he hit the hammer over 32 km/h 111 times while the league average was 73 times.
And in 2022-23, his top speed had him in the 93rd percentile in the league, hitting 37.51 km/h (the league average that year was 35.5 km/h).
Canucks mail bag: What's with Elias Pettersson's skating?
NHL Edge data is very revealing about player performance, year over year. Elias Pettersson isn't skating as fast as he used to.theprovince.com
Supports that the knee is probably impacting him.
People are arguing back and forth about his injury but worst case scenario is that this actually is a long term injury that's affecting his game and isn't going to get better.
numbers across the board are lower this year. something funky with the data. Pull up pretty much any elite skaters numbers and this years numbers are materially lower than last.Some numbers from Patrick Johnston:
A look at the NHL’s Edge Stats engine reveals some interesting year-over-year data for Pettersson: In his first six games this year, he hasn’t hit the top speed he hit last season, and he hasn’t had nearly as many speed bursts as he did last year, either.
Indeed, his skating so far this season is in the bottom 50 per cent of the league — his top speed burst has been 34.2 km/h, below the league average of 34.7.
Last season, he was slightly above average, hitting 36.7 km/h, the league average at 35.6.
And the number of times he had speed bursts over 32 km/h is so far below average — he’s done so just six times, whereas the average NHL skater has done so nine times. Last year, he hit the hammer over 32 km/h 111 times while the league average was 73 times.
And in 2022-23, his top speed had him in the 93rd percentile in the league, hitting 37.51 km/h (the league average that year was 35.5 km/h).
Canucks mail bag: What's with Elias Pettersson's skating?
NHL Edge data is very revealing about player performance, year over year. Elias Pettersson isn't skating as fast as he used to.theprovince.com
Supports that the knee is probably impacting him.
That may be but 93rd percentile to slightly above average to slightly below average is a concerning trend.numbers across the board are lower this year. something funky with the data. Pull up pretty much any elite skaters numbers and this years numbers are materially lower than last.
I listened to the first part of this where Riccio and Shah run through some different defencemen, both left and right handed, that may become available.
Defensive Trade Targets:
-aren't that many obvious trade targets available
-not even sure there's a Hronek-type available
-the handedness of the defenceman the Canucks pursue will probably depend on the market
-even if you want to upgrade the right side, there's not a lot potentially on the market
-Ivan Provorov first mentioned as being an obvious trade candidate; Cam Fowler is the other obvious
-mentions Chychrun (says he has another year on his deal but false, he's a UFA after this year) but points out that the Capitals are 5-1-0 right now
-Marcus Pettersson is a nice piece and not sure if he's available right now
-Rasmus Andersson has another year left and the Flames are not looking to make trade if they near a playoff spot; calls him the ideal trade candidate
-should be projecting a player that could be available since the trade market is so sparse
-Damon Severson and Mackenzie Weegar are two players with lots of term that are mentioned
-wonder where the Senators are going and mentions Artem Zub; if the Senators don't improve he may become available given his age and young prospects in their system
Longer-Term Players:
-not an enticing list of prospective players
-Colton Parayko, for example, has 6 years left at 6.5m
-do the Canucks want to lock themselves into a long-term commitment when they have Tom Willander coming?
-if they do go after someone on a long-term deal then Willander becomes part of that trade
-Blue Jackets are in transition
Right-Handed Rentals:
-would rather target a rental but the three right-handed rental defencemen are Ethan Bear, David Savard, and Will Borgen
-Will Borgen is on the Kraken and they are playing well
Timothy Liljegren:
-talk about Liljegren and how he needs to round out his game but is a smarter bet than the rentals or longer term contracts
-if the Canucks would acquire Liljegren, it comes with them being confidence that they can develop him
-not sure if Liljegren has a harder edge to him
-would have a lower cost to acquire
-Maple Leafs want to get an asset back for him right now
-when Hakanpaa returns, it may push the Maple Leafs to get Liljegren off the books
Other Right-Handed Defencemen with Term:
-Connor Murphy of the Blackhawks; might end up being the defencemen that teams go after if Rasmus Andersson isn't available
-Nick Jensen of the Capitals but he's in his mid-30s and his game is only okay
Vladislav Gavrikov:
-a really good defencemen
-pending UFA
-has a full NTC
-availability determined by where the Kings are in the standings
Sharks Defencemen:
-Mario Ferraro wouldn't be a cheap acquisition
-Jake Walman has really good early results according to the underlying numbers
-Ferraro has a really high reputation around the league but his underlying numbers aren't as good
That may be but 93rd percentile to slightly above average to slightly below average is a concerning trend.
That's fair, if all the numbers are correct this year. I just don't believe they are. Did Connor Bedard's skating fall off a cliff? Brock Faber? Funky data is useless especially if only some of the collection equipment isn't functioning properly.That may be but 93rd percentile to slightly above average to slightly below average is a concerning trend.
No they are not.Why? The D is already solid. Soucy-Myers is an excellent 2nd pairing and great at shutting down top lines in the playoffs, Brannstrom can play either side and is a nice addition to the bottom pairing with capable checking defenders Forbort & Desharnais rotating.
I wouldn’t be so sure—it depends how he develops between now and March.They aren’t trading Willander.
Yeah the heat Myers gets on here is hilarious. He's just fine as a second pairing RH D.