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[strattonius]

or D petey.

Willander and D-Petey aren't even comparable at this point.

One of them looks like a sure fire top 4 d-man. A 'blue chip'.
The other we are all hoping will become an NHL'er one day...in any capacity.

 

[David71]

Willander and D-Petey aren't even comparable at this point.

One of them looks like a sure fire top 4 d-man. A 'blue chip'.
The other we are all hoping will become an NHL'er one day...in any capacity.

then might as well stay status quo if they arent gonna trade of their top prospects. could hoglander be that piece? i know he resigned but teams might be interested.

 

[arttk]

this is what happens when the previous regime traded picks like candy. no interesting ready prospects to step in at all.

I am not debating that, i know Benning sucked, f*** him.
I am just saying that even if we go all in, we need to do it in a way where we retain the people we pay assets for and you only go full rental when you are really really close. I don’t think we are there yet. If we get a LD this year and maybe some forward help, we should be able to keep that guy if Willander can come in and be a NHL guy with a ELC.

then might as well stay status quo if they arent gonna trade of their top prospects. could hoglander be that piece? i know he resigned but teams might be interested.

I mean, you can get a pretty good player with a 1st and b level prospect. If we are trading Willander, it will be for an all star level guy, that’s what blue chip prospect goes for.

 

[strattonius]

then might as well stay status quo if they arent gonna trade of their top prospects. could hoglander be that piece? i know he resigned but teams might be interested.

You have such a black and white concept of how teams plan and build and try to win.

Willander won't be traded and the team won't be staying status quo. Say it ain't so. Team will move a 1st this year to improve the blueline and the rest is wait and see.

 

[HairyKneel]

They had Myers as their RD2 last playoffs and took the Western Conference champs to 7 games. If you can upgrade the left side for less cost, it’s not a bad option.

Yeah the heat Myers gets on here is hilarious. He's just fine as a second pairing RH D. The guy will play 1200 games. But I guess all GM's and coaches in this league are morons because "OBC".....

 

[F A N]

Cap, we need to keep Willander with his ELC to get past the OEL cap hit

I think Willander should be close to being an untouchable but not for cap reasons.

I think relying on Willander to help the Canucks win a Cup in a top 4 role while on his ELC is a poor plan.

 

[theguardianII]

You have such a black and white concept of how teams plan and build and try to win.

Willander won't be traded and the team won't be staying status quo. Say it ain't so. Team will move a 1st this year to improve the blueline and the rest is wait and see.

Move a first?
The cap!
The team will need to move salaries.

Right now it doesn't appear that management is sure what direction to take the team.

If they had kept the majority of the players from last year moving maybe one player, this year they would at least have a group history but 8 players are gone so this group might as well be new.

Tocchet wants clones so any player can play his system but that is only good for the mushy middle.

Wait? For what? Miller ain't getting any younger or faster. Brock is probably gone, they can't afford his next deal and you have to wonder why keep him, the team has had only one winning season.
Since 2014 the Nux have had two winning seasons, 2016 and last year, is that some reason to keep those players?

 

[thecupismine]

They had Myers as their RD2 last playoffs and took the Western Conference champs to 7 games. If you can upgrade the left side for less cost, it’s not a bad option.

It's also just way more sensible long-term to upgrade the left side. Willander should be ready next year in a bottom pairing role, which means he'll alternate in and out of the lineup with Myers/Deharnais. Acquire a long-term piece on the right side and all of a sudden there's no space for the team's best prospect.

Trading for a RHD is generally more expensive too, and the system is barren of long-term fits on the left side. Given the history between the organizations, I'd be shocked if Alvin doesn't try to go hard after Marcus Petterson as we get closer to the deadline.

 

[arttk]

I think Willander should be close to being an untouchable but not for cap reasons.

I think relying on Willander to help the Canucks win a Cup in a top 4 role while on his ELC is a poor plan.

I think the plan is have him contributing like a 5.

Hughes - Hronek
Soucy - Myers
Top4 - Willander

And the last 2 paring are interchangeable.

 

[strattonius]

Move a first?
The cap!
The team will need to move salaries.

Right now it doesn't appear that management is sure what direction to take the team.

If they had kept the majority of the players from last year moving maybe one player, this year they would at least have a group history but 8 players are gone so this group might as well be new.

Tocchet wants clones so any player can play his system but that is only good for the mushy middle.

Wait? For what? Miller ain't getting any younger or faster. Brock is probably gone, they can't afford his next deal and you have to wonder why keep him, the team has had only one winning season.
Since 2014 the Nux have had two winning seasons, 2016 and last year, is that some reason to keep those players?

Jesus christ stop blabbering.

You wonder why you don't get any discourse around here it's because you take on 50 different arguments in one shot. How is someone supposed to respond to you? You can't stay focused on the topic at hand. It's like talking to a flat Earther. There are just so many god damn counter points no one knows where to start so they don't bother.

You'll probably 'like' this post and confuse the hell out of me.

 

[pitseleh]

Some numbers from Patrick Johnston:

A look at the NHL’s Edge Stats engine reveals some interesting year-over-year data for Pettersson: In his first six games this year, he hasn’t hit the top speed he hit last season, and he hasn’t had nearly as many speed bursts as he did last year, either.

Indeed, his skating so far this season is in the bottom 50 per cent of the league — his top speed burst has been 34.2 km/h, below the league average of 34.7.

Last season, he was slightly above average, hitting 36.7 km/h, the league average at 35.6.

And the number of times he had speed bursts over 32 km/h is so far below average — he’s done so just six times, whereas the average NHL skater has done so nine times. Last year, he hit the hammer over 32 km/h 111 times while the league average was 73 times.

And in 2022-23, his top speed had him in the 93rd percentile in the league, hitting 37.51 km/h (the league average that year was 35.5 km/h).

Canucks mail bag: What's with Elias Pettersson's skating?

NHL Edge data is very revealing about player performance, year over year. Elias Pettersson isn't skating as fast as he used to.

theprovince.com

Supports that the knee is probably impacting him.