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[Jay26]

Yeah to be honest at this point I could definitely see him being traded. This thing is starting to reach critical mass. Unless - and this would be preferable because, despite my criticisms, I really don't want to trade him - he really does start to turn a corner.

I've been frustrated lately but ultimately I'm really pulling for you, Petey!

 

[BenningHurtsMySoul]

Jesus. Pettersson needs to get his house in order. Sounds like he has some toxic friendships.

Miller seems like the worst person to engage with him on this, but if Hughes can't get through, the organization needs to insist he gets some support. Short leash from now on.

Miller seems like a 60 year old man trapped in a 30 year old's body. Very much a "pull yourself up by your bootstraps" kind of guy that doesn't give a shit about feelings and thinks you need to push people at all times to get the best out of them.

Tocchet strikes me as cut from the same cloth, so it's no question why they are seemingly close. Reminds of the "bosses son" dynamic

 

[Diversification]

Based on what we know, the team is doing the opposite of coddling him though

Exactly. The service relationship has kicked in as EF so aptly put it. But I do hate that it’s now out there in public because it’s just going to exacerbate the problem.

 

[BenningHurtsMySoul]

You know what happens when a company stops treating a client well after their initial one year contract expires?

They churn.

Except this time, it's a very long contract and one that neither side can simply terminate. That opens the door for either management to stop treating the player well, or for the player to get comfortable with underperforming.

Guaranteed contracts will do this if both sides aren't explicitly on the same page and feel like they're getting a good deal.

 

[Vector]

 

[theguardianII]

Exactly. The service relationship has kicked in as EF so aptly put it. But I do hate that it’s now out there in public because it’s just going to exacerbate the problem.

Ya and who has made the negative public statements?
The guy running the team.

A trade NOW I think would HELP Pettersson the best, forget any impact of the team, for the player.

You know over the years I have seen "mentoring". Gillis was a genius for signing Sundin even with that grossly high contract.
His mentoring of Kesler primarily and the Sedins as well may have taken a couple of years of seasoning off the learning curve.

Not suggesting but could or can you imagine what mentoring under Crosby could do for Pettersson under a less strict system or Ovechkin or just not having the pressure of Vancouver on his shoulders? No coach public complaints, no everyday all day social media or media in general examining everything said, done or trying to interpret a frown?

He was drafted here in 2017, that's 7 years ago. 6 years going on 7 years of playing under the spot light that just got turned up with the contract on a team with fans that just endured Benning's debacle and is now starting to see the same from Allvin.

Tocchet is great? Really, why isn't Wee Willie great as well then? He did the same thing with less.

And Allvin! After the train wreck that was Benning isn't there starting to be some of the same buffoon moves? They have had only one winning season with him. They could maybe get another this year but the season isn't over yet and I am sure the next three years of draft picks and prospects are on Allvin's table to make sure they have the best chance at getting WC2.

Miller is injured from experience it could be a popped rib, that can be played with but some things are just too painful like drawing a puck back or a backhand shot, just a guess. A popped rib doesn't require being hit.

If Demko, Miller, Hughes were to miss too much time the injury bug becomes an EXCUSE for not having success especially if EP can't play his way. That might make Tocchet change the style for EP's line but assuredly his comments will reflect that. That is how shallow the depth of the team is.

 

[StickShift]

RE: Pettersson. I wonder about those rumors last year with Carolina and Martin Necas.

There was of course the trade-threat with Carolina that sparked the extension. But, there was also that Friedman rumor in the off-season that Carolina was shopping Necas and that Vancouver wanted to get him.

Carolina ended up only extending Necas for two-years ($6.5m) and are walking him to UFA. It feels like they kicked their decision with him down the field rather figuring out a long-term solution.

It feels like two teams with the same problem (with just a different context) that they were close to solving for each other last year.

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

RE: Pettersson. I wonder about those rumors last year with Carolina and Martin Necas.

There was of course the trade-threat with Carolina that sparked the extension. But, there was also that Friedman rumor in the off-season that Carolina was shopping Necas and that Vancouver wanted to get him.

Carolina ended up only extending Necas for two-years ($6.5m) and are walking him to UFA. It feels like they kicked their decision with him down the field rather figuring out a long-term solution.

It feels like two teams with the same problem (with just a different context) that they were close to solving for each other last year.

Any conversation starts and ends with Jarvis.

 

[BenningHurtsMySoul]

Any conversation starts and ends with Jarvis.

Jarvis, Necas, young quality prospect, 1st rounder.

 

[VanillaCoke]

Jarvis, Necas, young quality prospect, 1st rounder.

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[StickShift]

Any conversation starts and ends with Jarvis.

Jarvis, Necas, young quality prospect, 1st rounder.

Do you really think Vancouver is in a position of strength to ask for Seth Jarvis considering the nature of this discussion? He was just signed to an incredibly team-friendly 8y deal. Carolina would be looking to trade their problem—not their perceived solution.

Best trade comparable for Pettersson is probably Eichel. That was a distressed asset. The return there was Alex Tuch, Peyton Krebs, a 1st and and 2nd.

Not saying that's a great return or that they should do something like that. But, that's probably the sort of offer that the Canucks are going to receive. And Vancouver's management is going to have to determine whether making something out of the pieces they get is going to be better for their competitiveness that whatever this version of Elias Pettersson is.

But it's worth considering. Would having Martin Necas (plus) last year instead of Pettersson have changed the outcome of that Oilers series?

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

Do you really think Vancouver is in a position of strength to ask for Seth Jarvis? He was just signed to an incredibly team-friendly 8y deal. Carolina would be looking to trade their problem—not their perceived solution.

Yes. Otherwise Carolina can f*** off.

 

[SeawaterOnIce]

Pettersson for Byfield and Clarke?

Rob Blake has been bent over before.

 

[ephmrl]

Don't understand the frenzy over this when Pettersson's game seems to be coming around. Most of the things that Friedman said seemed like a completely normal reaction to a star player with a big contract struggling with confidence issues.

The main thing that I took from the Friedman segment is that Pettersson needs to reevaluate his friend group if he has people constantly sending him negative stories about himself. It's no wonder his confidence seems to be all over the place if he has friends blowing up his phone with rumors and negativity every single day.

 

[Wisp]

I come from the future, here's what happens: Puck starts going in the net for Pettersson, supported by his stronger and improving engaged play, narrative goes away. There will be a 'the org and teammates challenged him and he stepped up and embraced the challenge!' narrative that results.

We've been through this stuff with Boeser trade chatter. We've been through this stuff with Miller trade chatter. We've been through with this with Garland trade chatter, too. This too will work itself out.

 

[Peter Griffin]

Carolina and Buffalo seem like the best possible trade partners for a potential EP trade if it ends up going that route.

 

[Vector]

Really good article about how the numbers aren't great for Pettersson but they also indicate how offense is still being created with him on the ice. Show's how Pettersson is getting increasingly involved at 5v5 and that the PP involvement will have to follow.