Just a heads up fellow fans, go easy on Petey in these threads, he could be reading what you say.
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Pulock Horvat combo would be great additions to this team
How is Rachel Doerrie catching heat in this thread lol.
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Are you talking to us or EP? I got one am fine with visiting the thread, it's not effecting me whatsoever. Him on the other hand...
This is the interview I was referring to by Dubois (it's a translation from French so it's on reddit) :
To me, if Pettersson gives an honest interview years from now about what happened in 2024, it will sound almost exactly like this. The specific points causing a problem might be different, but I think the overall mindset is very similar where someone is lost in his own head and shuts down.
I pointed out Petey's point production over the last 3+ seasons.
Under Green's last year, Bruce and then Tocchet.
It is clear that EP had a dramatic drop in production the season Green was canned until Bruce got here then there was a resurgence. Kuz - 39 goals, EP 100+ points
The next season's start EP's line was dynamic, Kuz, Mik, EP with 69pts in 50 games. Then Kuz is traded, pressure is increased on EP to sign, Mikheyev is placed on 3rd/4th line roles, EP production drops to 24 pts in 31 gms and only 6pts in 13 playoff games. Those 44 games he had 8 goals in 44 games. And now this season 0 goals and 3 pts in 6 games.
Some posters defend EP by saying he still has a knee injury but ignore he is spending extra time practicing on or with an injury. (IMO still concussion related maybe)
If EP continues as things are or only improves to a 80pt guy he won't be worth the contract.
That isn't saying he couldn't be that 100+point guy but apparently not with outside pressure or under Tocchet.
For the player, a new place would be better, a fresh start where he won't be under the microscope ALL the time.
In a place like Columbus his present turmoil would get maybe, maybe 10 minutes a day on one or two small outlets, here or other Canadian cities and a very few US cities he is 10+ hours a day. I doubt fans in Carolina know much more about him than he has a big salary and has had a 100+ point season.
It might be wise for Tocchet to trade him. I say Tocchet because of the radical changes in direction this team has taken and the costs to do it.
Right now the Canucks are getting the advantage of SJ and Anaheim rebuilding, LA with aging stars, a surprise but a retooling Calgary and another aging Vegas team.
For the good of EP's talent and the good of the return for an EP trade it might be time sooner than later.
Some players and coaches just don't meld together well despite the intentions.
I feel more and more that EP is just not a Tocchet/Allvin/JR type player and he will be traded. This team was built a very deliberate way from the poor treatment of Boudreau to hire Tocchet, to the trade of Horvat to keep Miller (who at that time was seen as the whiny, floaty divisive character in the room), to the trade of 39G man Kuzmenko, it's quite obvious the type and style of player they want. EP might just not be that guy for this management group.
i do think there's a coaching issue with pettersson. naively i'd always keep the player over the coach in that scenario but there's an argument in this case that the canucks are on the clock with regards to competing and they aren't gonna fire tocchet in the near term so maybe a trade is the right path
i have a hard time seeing a trade that actually helps the team get better though. maybe montreal for dvorak, matheson plus but that leaves a pretty big hole at c
I think Tocc is safe because this comes all the way from the top. Look at all the ppl they have brought in and how they have become successful. They are all a particular style of north south player. It's all a machine and maybe EP just doesn't "fit".
To be honest, I can't imagine getting the former whiny floater to call you a baby is any way of positive encouragement that EP actually needs. Pressuring him to sign when he was not ready to is also questionable. Different people/players need different things to be successful and for EP this is just not "it".
I'm sorry but the coddling required for Pettersson right now is pathetic.
I hate the idea of giving up on Pettersson. It will probably be a decade before we find another forward as talented as he is.
If it does come to a head, I wonder if a team like Utah would put together an enticing package for a star like Pettersson. They're a new franchise and a star center is a corner stone for any group. They've got picks and propspects out the wazoo.
If it does come to a head, I wonder if a team like Utah would put together an enticing package for a star like Pettersson. They're a new franchise and a star center is a corner stone for any group. They've got picks and propspects out the wazoo.
Wait what? Is this actually a thing? I thought someone was just making a joke.
Sooner they trade him the better, let his huge contract and low compete level be someone else's problem before it's too late.
Thankfully mgmt has brains and balls so atleast the possibility exists.
Thankfully mgmt has brains and balls so atleast the possibility exists.
At some point, the business element of this takes over, and it's right around when he became the highest paid player in franchise history. No business owner in the world would keep a highly paid employee that performs at a 50% level. Period. People lose their jobs for far, far less these days.
He is a professional athlete living in one of the greatest cities in the world to be rich, making more money per game than the average household makes in a year. Yes, he's human, but I'd trade his problems for mine a thousand times over.
My boss treats me like shit some days too. My coworkers have opinions about me that aren't all sunshine and rainbows. That's just kind of what happens when the company has to pay you what you're actually worth and they aren't finding ways to exploit you anymore.
I don't mean to fan any flames if that was indeed a joke. That wasn't based on anything of substance.
The thought process has to be about bringing in three or four young, cost controlled pieces that are ready to contribute now and can become impact players during Hughes' remaining years.
He has to be the focus of the franchise moving forward.
Yeah, saying picks and prospects was not accurate. I was envisioning another deal similar to what Tampa got for Sergachev. Cap space, plus some young players, and maybe some futures thrown in. The team can turn around and use the futures and cap space to make some deals.
FWIW, point 1 is really not at all unconventional. It’s absolutely normal for coaches lean on players in the room to help address things that they believe will be better handled within the room, or messaging that is going to be better received from peers.
To be fair—I think what we are seeing is a rejection of any coddling. From both the organization, players, and fans.
Jesus. Pettersson needs to get his house in order. Sounds like he has some toxic friendships.
Miller seems like the worst person to engage with him on this, but if Hughes can't get through, the organization needs to insist he gets some support. Short leash from now on.
Miller seems like the worst person to engage with him on this, but if Hughes can't get through, the organization needs to insist he gets some support. Short leash from now on.
