GDT: Group B - May 18 - Sweden vs Switzerland *Mod Warning Post 55*

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Loui was FOURTH in ice-time amongst swedish forwards PLEASE STOP.

As a veteran who always came when the blue and yellow called for him, he will never be benched.

I am torn.

In one hand he isn't good enough anymore - on the other I think it is the right decision to show gratitude and respect for what he has done.
 
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Lundqvist in Swedish Television interviews: "Nylander is one of the best players in the game." Suck on that, "we want to trade him" Toronto.
And Henriks nose got just a little bit bigger. I mean, what's he gonna say?

Good player but a long ways to go before you can call him one of the best players in the game.
 
As a veteran who always came when the blue and yellow called for him, he will never be benched.

I am torn.

In one hand he isn't good enough anymore - on the other I think it is the right decision to show gratitude and respect for what he has done.
You can check my posts in the roster threads. After watching him this tournament I’m DONE.

Theres also a difference between getting to play and playing on the first powerplay(well second because Nylander decided to go in full force and f*** everyone)
 
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Crazy how Nylander struggled to put up points in the NHL this season, when he is this dominant on the national team.
It was a weird season. He wasn't himself for the first 17 games. After that he was producing very well even strength, but he was on a second PP unit that was absolutely dreadful. It held him back. He finally got to play with Matthews again towards the end and they were absolutely great... but Babcock had other ideas. he had to carry Marleau and Brown in the playoffs. That might sound like an excuse, but Marleau and Brown as a forward pairing has an absolutely dreadful impact on offense. It's not just Nylander, Matthews and Kadri had similar struggles with them.

So in short: Contract negotiations screwed up the first months, after that he had no confidence and was snakebit, and when the production started to get going he was just not put in a position to succeed. All this should change next season. Should be a big year.
 
Sure, he's exagerrating, but in his own sense he's correct in the notion that Nylander is elite.
In what sense would you be talking about? overall skill level and potential?

Because it sure as hell can't be based on production, not yet anyway. The potential is there for him to move up in a big way though, I will give you that.
 
In what sense would you be talking about? overall skill level and potential?

Because it sure as hell can't be based on production, not yet anyway. The potential is there for him to move up in a big way though, I will give you that.

His production has been near elite level in 2016-2018 though, he just had one poor year.
 
In what sense would you be talking about? overall skill level and potential?

Because it sure as hell can't be based on production, not yet anyway. The potential is there for him to move up in a big way though, I will give you that.
Nylander had a poor season, but he can bounce back.

Stlouis was claimed off waivers once.
 
Nylander had a poor season, but he can bounce back.

Stlouis was claimed off waivers once.
I have no doubt he can bounce back and fully expect him to but for hank to call him one of the very best in the game, that was clearly a team mate soundbite thing.
 
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keep in mind... Nylander joined the Leafs late into the season when everyone was familiar with each other, and had chemistry... and Nylander was sitting... watching
overall, and imo, the Leafs are going to be a threat for the cup for the next good while... too much depth
Boston has an amazing team and the Leafs pushed them to 7 games...
 
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His production has been near elite level in 2016-2018 though, he just had one poor year.
A high of 61 points is near elite level? He's at least 20-25 pts off from that and that's a fair size jump. For him to be elite or near elite he would have to be adding bergeron level defense for anyone to be calling him that with 60 point level offensive production and we all know he is no Bergeron defensively.

But yes, he's got the skill level(and talent around him) to get into elite level offensively in the coming years. Wait and see right now.
 
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Amazing game by Nylander, its hard to understand that he comes off a tough season. Starting with a clean sheet can do wonders I guess.

Josi, very good also.
 
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William Nylander 5 gp 4 g 9 ass 13 p. leading the total in points!
No 1 in assists and no 1 in +- with + 13 !
Also no 2 in face offs with 71.79% !

Hope Leafs put him in a position to succed next season! The problem are that Babcock wants to have 3 dynamic lines and will not pairing him with AM, probably 3 line with Kadri and ? Its hard to find primetime in the Leafs.
 
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Amazing game by Nylander, its hard to understand that he comes off a tough season. Starting with a clean sheet can do wonders I guess.

Josi, very good also.
The way Sweden handled Josi bothered me big time instead of trying to force him down and make him pass they backed of allowing him time and space to escape the zone with the puck under control time and time again. Our fourth line had som success with their forecheck but the rest of our lines especially Lander and Eriksson.. Oy vey they’re way too passive against a team like this its facinating how you can play a team a million times and not try to change whats not working.
 
The Czech generation change has been tough. How do you replace guys like Hasek and Jagr? Then you still had the the core tier of guys like Straka and Elias. Heck, the Czechs had a ton of good NHL players. Nowadays, it's a few guys like Pastrnak that shines through. I wouldn't personally put the Czechs in the top 5, but I still think the hockey culture is strong and the team is just after top 5, unfortunately.

I can't put the Czechs ahead of Canada, Sweden, Russia, the US and Finland at the moment. In my mind, it's up to the Czechs to battle for the top 6 spot with the Swiss, while Slovakia, Germany and Denmark battles for 8-10 right after.

No top team can go in relaxed playing the Czech Republic. It's nice to see that the Czech league is developing though, a lot of good players that know how to battle hard.
I feel we have a 'bronze generation' coming up.. I've been thrilled to see guys like Simon, Vrana and Faksa doing good things. But we're far behind the Big 5. No argument. However, I feel we're ahead of number 7 whoever that is. The Swiss had an amazing few years.. but their NHL draft is yielding very few great players lately. Maybe 10 guys in last 3 years? Obviously Nico is amazing.

I agree though, the Czech quarter final is usually the most exciting one. We usually lose it but it's close. I hope that trend changes. I really liked last years team and I really like this years team (needed Sulak, Mrazek and Kaut).
 
I feel we have a 'bronze generation' coming up.. I've been thrilled to see guys like Simon, Vrana and Faksa doing good things. But we're far behind the Big 5. No argument. However, I feel we're ahead of number 7 whoever that is. The Swiss had an amazing few years.. but their NHL draft is yielding very few great players lately. Maybe 10 guys in last 3 years? Obviously Nico is amazing.
I agree though, the Czech quarter final is usually the most exciting one. We usually lose it but it's close. I hope that trend changes. I really liked last years team and I really like this years team (needed Sulak, Mrazek and Kaut).

Never done like Mrazek. He's worst from central Europe then not like Ovechkin because he is with Selänne super class but like more Selänne than World greatest Before Kucherov.
 
A high of 61 points is near elite level? He's at least 20-25 pts off from that and that's a fair size jump. For him to be elite or near elite he would have to be adding bergeron level defense for anyone to be calling him that with 60 point level offensive production and we all know he is no Bergeron defensively.

But yes, he's got the skill level(and talent around him) to get into elite level offensively in the coming years. Wait and see right now.
I think only 19 or 20 active players have had back to back 60 point seasons through their age 21 year. Most of them will be hall of fame bound one day. Even the outliers were/are really productive for a number of years in guys like Gaborik, Kovalchuk, Filip Forsberg.

Thats pretty elite/consistent production for a young guy. Hopefully this year was just an outlier and he can build off this world chamionship.
 
I think only 19 or 20 active players have had back to back 60 point seasons through their age 21 year. Most of them will be hall of fame bound one day. Even the outliers were/are really productive for a number of years in guys like Gaborik, Kovalchuk, Filip Forsberg.

Thats pretty elite/consistent production for a young guy. Hopefully this year was just an outlier and he can build off this world chamionship.
I won't argue the skill is there and that he has performed well in the N.HL thus far aside from last season.

My issue was with Hank calling him one of the best players in the game, that is clearly not true and him just overdoing things because he is his team mate and it seemed like some people here were actually insinuating it was a true statement because hank said so. I mean, he may be one day, but he sure as hell isn't right now.
 
I won't argue the skill is there and that he has performed well in the N.HL thus far aside from last season.

My issue was with Hank calling him one of the best players in the game, that is clearly not true and him just overdoing things because he is his team mate and it seemed like some people here were actually insinuating it was a true statement because hank said so. I mean, he may be one day, but he sure as hell isn't right now.
I think it's quite obvious that you shouldn't take that literally. However:

1) Hank's opinion of William is probably largely based on these two tournaments. Willy looks the part on the NT.
2) If I remember correctly, Willy has done very well against the Rangers as well.
3) Hank is also a friend of the family and close to Willy personally.

Another point to remember is that Hank seemed to search for the right way to put it. "One of the best in the world" might not have been the best representation of what he think.
 
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Lundqvist in Swedish Television interviews: "Nylander is one of the best players in the game." Suck on that, "we want to trade him" Toronto.
"Nylander is one of the best players in the game when he has space & time, the game isn't overtly physical and he plays in one of the best teams against opponents that generally are a bit worse to incredibly worse."

^that would have been the right statement.

Unfortunately for him, in the NHL there's very little space & time and the game is much more physical than at the world's. Come playoffs time, it gets exponentially worse.
And he won't surely be playing against the likes of Italy, Latvia, Norway, etc etc.

"One of the best players in the game", without injuries & playing in a team that is top 10 in the league & has at least 3-4 stars (= Nylander isn't exactly tasked with dragging the Leafs to stardom all by himself, is he?), won't generate a 30 points season in 61 games (54 +7).
Playing for Sweden he's a lion, playing for the Leafs he's a very soft player who likes to stay on the perimeter.
 
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I would say Nylander is better than what he has showed in Toronto last season but not as good as he has been seen in the WC.
Somhwhere in between :)
The circumstances with the contract etc. hasn't exactly been the best in Toronto and they already have a lot of great forwards.
Also I think there is not that incredible distance between let's say Ovechkin and a guy like for example Marchand.
On a good day Marchand can be much better than Ovechkin and vice versa.
I think there are too may people that try to state one player is so very much better than the other but in fact it's much closer today than ever before.
To be a bit poetic (and far from hockey) players are much like flowers, one is beautiful in one way and another in another way etc.
It's so hard to compare a player like Datsuyk to for example Crosby and say one is way better than the other.
I think in some ways one is better and in another way the other is better, but today there are so many great players that are good in som many different ways.
And just look at the Switzerland-Sweden game where people on paper had better players than Switzerland but still it was extremely close.
Converning Nylander I love when he is in his creative mode and when he has players that support his kind of play - then he can be really good.
 

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