Prospect Info: Grand Rapids Griffins Discussion

[Frk It]

Yes. I turn it off after about 5-10 minutes because it's painfully slow/deliberate and about 5% of all passes get completed.

I live in Rochester (Ny) and I’ve taken my nephews to 4-5 games over the last few years and gotten to see Peterka, Quinn, Rosen, etc and I don’t see it as some pure goon hockey to watch. Always find the games enjoyable to watch, but hey that’s me.

 

[Killerjas]

Bird team still bad?

 

[ShanahanMan]

Is the Yzerplan working?

He’s made some good moves, mostly via trades. He also can’t control our shit lottery luck.

But he’s also made some TERRIBLE FA signings and questionable draft choices. If Kasper, Cossa, and Danielson start to look like busts, i would think the answer then becomes no unfortunately.

 

[Reddwit]

He’s made some good moves, mostly via trades. He also can’t control our shit lottery luck.

But he’s also made some TERRIBLE FA signings and questionable draft choices. If Kasper, Cossa, and Danielson start to look like busts, i would think the answer then becomes no unfortunately.

Getting sick of watching the guys I wanted us to draft take off, while we’re stuck with guys who “have good compete” and not much else it seems.

 

[heyfolks]

Getting sick of watching the guys I wanted us to draft take off, while we’re stuck with guys who “have good compete” and not much else it seems.

For me, this may be an issue with Draper. He wasn't ever the most talented, but had a high compete level. That is reflected in some of the top picks.

He’s made some good moves, mostly via trades. He also can’t control our shit lottery luck.

But he’s also made some TERRIBLE FA signings and questionable draft choices. If Kasper, Cossa, and Danielson start to look like busts, i would think the answer then becomes no unfortunately.

I agree (see previous post (just above). However, the management of the coaching and signings appear to be issues here. That's on Yzerman.

 

[Frk It]

Yes....

OK, sarcasm aside, I do mean all of the above. His picks, signings, system, coaches, and staff. It has been 4.5 years since he took over as GM. What is the runway for marked improvement. GR appears to be a mess and has been since his arrival. Given the plan is all about drafting and growing talent, I am a bit more concerned about this team than the Wings. I am not expecting him to move mountains, but the Griffin re the 4th wort team in the AHL.

I just don't see marked improvement on any front.

Draft is the one area of hope, but that is true with every team and every fan every year. At some point the picks, should lift up the Griffins, and that should happen before the Wings get any better.... which may explain all the crap vet signings that make me twitch as if Holland were still in town.


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Hard to judge the success/failure of a rebuild when we have a bunch of first round picks that haven't played in the NHL yet, and also not sure this belongs in this thread?

You don't see any marked improvement on any front? We are currently top 10 in goals for/game after being bottom 10 the last 3 years. Our goal differential over the last 3 years has gone from -83 to -38 to currently +4. Seider and Raymond are both playing at a high level this year. We brought in DeBrincat at a reasonable price, who has proved to be a huge add.

As far as the Griffins go? I mean, I am pretty sure one of the AGM's is in charge of running GR. Also GR would be better if Seider and Raymond didn't make the NHL so quick and we weren't making as many picks from Europe where a good chunk of quality prospects have developed overseas.

The Griffins should be a better team than they have been so far, they are not lacking talent. I don't know if it is an issue with the coach, or what.

(Edit - I have re-read your post a few times, and I am not sure if you are talking about GR or Detroit????)

 

[Oddbob]

Hard to judge the success/failure of a rebuild when we have a bunch of first round picks that haven't played in the NHL yet, and also not sure this belongs in this thread?

You don't see any marked improvement on any front? We are currently top 10 in goals for/game after being bottom 10 the last 3 years. Our goal differential over the last 3 years has gone from -83 to -38 to currently +4. Seider and Raymond are both playing at a high level this year. We brought in DeBrincat at a reasonable price, who has proved to be a huge add.

As far as the Griffins go? I mean, I am pretty sure one of the AGM's is in charge of running GR. Also GR would be better if Seider and Raymond didn't make the NHL so quick and we weren't making as many picks from Europe where a good chunk of quality prospects have developed overseas.

The Griffins should be a better team than they have been so far, they are not lacking talent. I don't know if it is an issue with the coach, or what.

(Edit - I have re-read your post a few times, and I am not sure if you are talking about GR or Detroit????)

To be fair, most of our goals came in the 8 game hot streak to start the season. We have slowed down lots since.

 

[heyfolks]

Hard to judge the success/failure of a rebuild when we have a bunch of first round picks that haven't played in the NHL yet, and also not sure this belongs in this thread?

You don't see any marked improvement on any front? We are currently top 10 in goals for/game after being bottom 10 the last 3 years. Our goal differential over the last 3 years has gone from -83 to -38 to currently +4. Seider and Raymond are both playing at a high level this year. We brought in DeBrincat at a reasonable price, who has proved to be a huge add.

As far as the Griffins go? I mean, I am pretty sure one of the AGM's is in charge of running GR. Also GR would be better if Seider and Raymond didn't make the NHL so quick and we weren't making as many picks from Europe where a good chunk of quality prospects have developed overseas.

The Griffins should be a better team than they have been so far, they are not lacking talent. I don't know if it is an issue with the coach, or what.

(Edit - I have re-read your post a few times, and I am not sure if you are talking about GR or Detroit????)

Thank you for the thoughtful reply. Given the thread, my focus is on GR (not Detroit). I can see how keeping a few in their home league and a few in college can impact GR. That said, From Simon to Watson this team has not improved. If only a development tool for the Wings, and team results are secondary, who are they bringing to the Wings? I guess they get partial credit for Seider. Veleno

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They are also not the youngest team, thought one could argue their top talent is young. Kasper (19), Lombardi (20), Edvinsson (20), Cossa (21), Wallinder (21) are a lot younger than the average but I have to believe that is true for every team. Do Danielson and ASP make the team better, of course they do. I can't imagine that wold lift them into contention.

I just do not see progress being made in GR. Of course this led to the coaching change in 23 but this looking like a longer runway for GR to improve than I had thought.

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[Frk It]

Thank you for the thoughtful reply. Given the thread, my focus is on GR (not Detroit). I can see how keeping a few in their home league and a few in college can impact GR. That said, From Simon to Watson this team has not improved. If only a development tool for the Wings, and team results are secondary, who are they bringing to the Wings? I guess they get partial credit for Seider. Veleno

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They are also not the youngest team, thought one could argue their top talent is young. Kasper (19), Lombardi (20), Edvinsson (20), Cossa (21), Wallinder (21) are a lot younger than the average but I have to believe that is true for every team. Do Danielson and ASP make the team better, of course they do. I can't imagine that wold lift them into contention.

I just do not see progress being made in GR. Of course this led to the coaching change in 23 but this looking like a longer runway for GR to improve than I had thought.

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Well the focus of a NHL GM is to build a NHL contender, not an AHL contender. If you can do both, great. So kind of weird to bring up the Yzerplan in a thread that’s talking about GR, but that’s just my opinion.

 

[HoweFan]

At least Cossa is back, even if he’s the backup

And Doucet is playing in Toledo. All is good in Red Wing land

 

[RED WINGS STOMP]

Good night for the Griffs, seeing some good names on the score sheet again.

Do it again tomorrow.

 

[HoweFan]

Kasper with two more assists. Nice win. By the way Doucet made good on his return with another goal in a 4-3 loss in Toledo

 

[Michael Brand Eggs]

Ghost no longer.

 

[Reddwit]

Omg did you hear that Kasper kid has 5 points in 4 games? What a stud. Think he can be our 2C next season?

Man it’s probably a really good thing Kasper started the year with 1 in 10 before putting up 5 in 4 and not the reverse. The downfall from that hype would’ve had half this board on suicide watch.

 

[lilidk]

Omg did you hear that Kasper kid has 5 points in 4 games? What a stud. Think he can be our 2C next season?

Man it’s probably a really good thing Kasper started the year with 1 in 10 before putting up 5 in 4 and not the reverse. The downfall from that hype would’ve had half this board on suicide watch.

He should be better than Compher, but not next season

 

[Coach Reggie Dunlop]

It was no surprise to me to see kasper start slow. His knee surgery was actually pretty bad and any injury to the knee can take a long time to feel like yourself again. He also is getting adjusted to NA ice and the griffins have been a mess in general. Hopefully they can get that ship righted and the boys start playing better overall. Good win today hopefully they can add to it.

 

[Run the Jewels]

Keep stacking up those points Ed.

 

[Gniwder]

Keep stacking up those points Ed.

That zone entry is nice, but he should've dropped the puck off to a forward instead of trying to go 1 on 3. In the NHL, that's more than likely a turnover. Still a work in progress from what I see.

It's nice to see Hirose still has that quick puck decision, if anything, he kept the play from blowing up and going the other way.

 

[Dotter]

I was at the game last night and Edvinsson is proving to be a stud. He is involved in almost every goal. Offense starts with him.

Kasper isn't getting very many minutes. He wasn't very noticeable out there despite getting an assist. I don't see Berggren as an NHLer, he's another Hirose imo. Lombardi was the best forward visually..

 

[Killerjas]

What about my boy Wallinder?

 

[Dotter]

What about my boy Wallinder?

I didnt notice Wallinder or Johansson as much. Griffins controlled most of the play. Johansson did register a point. That goal was on the other side of the rink from where I was sitting, so I didn't see the assist in great detail.

The game was pretty much the Edvinsson show.

 

[HoweFan]

I wonder why Cossa isn’t in net tonight? That’s two starts in a row for Hutchinson

 

[RedHawkDown]

Berggren should be in the NHL.

 

[Oddbob]

Berggren should be in the NHL.

Why? He looks like a slightly bigger and better Hirose. He struggled mightily in his last 30 games last year, didn't look anything special in his 2 games this year either. He has some offensive skills, but he plays small and isn't good defensively. Not really a good player to have in the bottom 6 on an NHL team. Only way Berggren will make it, is on a bad team, or he gets good enough to be a full time top 6 forward.

 

[norrisnick]

Why? He looks like a slightly bigger and better Hirose. He struggled mightily in his last 30 games last year, didn't look anything special in his 2 games this year either. He has some offensive skills, but he plays small and isn't good defensively. Not really a good player to have in the bottom 6 on an NHL team. Only way Berggren will make it, is on a bad team, or he gets good enough to be a full time top 6 forward.

Berggren is like Hudler. He's a catalyst. Play him with talent in scoring situations and he will improve those he plays with. Stick him with grinders and you fully deserve what you get which won't be much at all.