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Tasteless Beaver

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It’s been an amazing offseason that’s for sure. But to play devil’s advocate. What stopped Chevy from being this aggressive in years past ? Its never to late but this could of happened 2 years ago. I won’t go further back because we were drafting and developing.

I think that year #2 of the flat cap is the reason. Chevy was patient and found teams that were desperate, which I don't think happens any other year. Washington and Vancouver had their shopping lists, they needed to get deals done. Chevy is very specific in the players that he picks, he clearly doesn't just chase anyone. The players that Chevy likes, he likes for a long time. I agree 100% with his comment this year that our gaps could not have been fixed with free agent signings alone - the players available didn't fill the gaps we had, and the cost would have been high. Teams like Vancouver think that free agency fixes everything, and look at their results. Schmidt and Dillon just happened to not exclude Winnipeg as destinations (not that Dillon had the choice). At the deadline last year, there's no question that Chevy got turned down by players refusing to play here, and prices were high. There was a cap crunch and general panic last year, and Chevy did his best to get Schmidt from Vegas, but it failed. Forbort was worth a try at #2 LHD instead of making a stupid trade. It didn't work out. The year before, we expected Buff to show up to camp and would have had an okay roster, but we got blindsided and couldn't fix it in time. This year, Chevy was in the right places at exactly the right time.
 

Teemusalami204

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I think that year #2 of the flat cap is the reason. Chevy was patient and found teams that were desperate, which I don't think happens any other year. Washington and Vancouver had their shopping lists, they needed to get deals done. Chevy is very specific in the players that he picks, he clearly doesn't just chase anyone. The players that Chevy likes, he likes for a long time. I agree 100% with his comment this year that our gaps could not have been fixed with free agent signings alone - the players available didn't fill the gaps we had, and the cost would have been high. Teams like Vancouver think that free agency fixes everything, and look at their results. Schmidt and Dillon just happened to not exclude Winnipeg as destinations (not that Dillon had the choice). At the deadline last year, there's no question that Chevy got turned down by players refusing to play here, and prices were high. There was a cap crunch and general panic last year, and Chevy did his best to get Schmidt from Vegas, but it failed. Forbort was worth a try at #2 LHD instead of making a stupid trade. It didn't work out. The year before, we expected Buff to show up to camp and would have had an okay roster, but we got blindsided and couldn't fix it in time. This year, Chevy was in the right places at exactly the right time.

Great post, it’s going to be a great few years
 

GaryPoppins

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If I would have scored only 8/10 on a test, I would consider it an F. How did not knowing 20% of the material ever become an example of excellence? But I digress...

I give Chevy a C for doing only what optics required. This team needs a new coach, this team needs a new core to really elevate itself to serious contender status. After this real season plays out, with real opponents and real travel demands, you will see that I am right.

I’d agreed that this off-season was a year too late.

What I honestly like about this roster now is that if they struggle… you know Maurice is getting turfed. He has a contender here, now.

needs to at least get to WCF imo
 

Buffdog

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It’s been an amazing offseason that’s for sure. But to play devil’s advocate. What stopped Chevy from being this aggressive in years past ? Its never to late but this could of happened 2 years ago. I won’t go further back because we were drafting and developing.
To be fair, we don't know what moves he tried and what was available to him in the past.

For whatever reason (whether this was the first time he chose to be this aggressive, or the moves he made panned out), he got it done.

We're tight against the cap but it's a good problem to have when we really only have wheeler's contract that is iffy. We have 81M worth of good contracts - minor overpays here and there (stats, maybe schmidt), but also some massive underpays.
 

DannyGallivan

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He checked every box on his "to do" list before the middle of August. He did everything he possibly could with the cap space he had. He improved the defense immensely. He maintained the strength at forward (the loss of Appleton was unavoidable), the draft looks promising. He avoided having to go to arbitration. This was the most headache-free off season I can remember with this team. He deserves an A.
 
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surixon

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It’s been an amazing offseason that’s for sure. But to play devil’s advocate. What stopped Chevy from being this aggressive in years past ? Its never to late but this could of happened 2 years ago. I won’t go further back because we were drafting and developing.

Well two years ago the Jets had limited capspace with Buff still looking like he would play and two key RFA's to sign.

Last summer is fair game and it seemed he was looking for defensive upgrades but wasn't able to land on any deals.

He still was able to grab some forward pieces though.
 
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If I would have scored only 8/10 on a test, I would consider it an F. How did not knowing 20% of the material ever become an example of excellence? But I digress...

I give Chevy a C for doing only what optics required. This team needs a new coach, this team needs a new core to really elevate itself to serious contender status. After this real season plays out, with real opponents and real travel demands, you will see that I am right.
Too easy to just say the Jets suck and just watch that i'm right. I say they have a very good year and battle for 1st in the division, you will see that i'm right. :nod:
 

Ducky10

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A, easily. Dropping him to a B because of Comrie is an error in weighting. Not resigning Copp to a longer term deal is also nothing to get worked up about. I’ll be more critical of him if he fails to adequately replace Copp if and when he goes elsewhere.

Great job Chevy. It’s up to Mo now to figure it out.
 

BoneDocUK

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A-. I'm a Chevy fan and think he did some sterling work this offseason with a few exceptions:

1. I would have exposed Copp and kept Apples as soon as I had Copp's numbers on term and AAV. Yeah, Copp is the stronger player, but Appleton offered enough of what we needed at a price we could afford.

2. Stats is making a lot for a slowing star. He brings smarts and skill and mentorship -- and, clearly, recruiting -- within his portfolio, but the same player at a bit less offers pressbox cover at F. If we want PLD to stick and reach (or re-reach) his potential, then he needs to be the 1st choice at 2C.

3. He needs to cut bait on Beaulieu. Popular player, but a luxury at this point, and our young talent on D need room to push through the VetNet.

Otherwise he's had what looks like a heckuva offseason, with the D shored up and good deals on Pionk, Stanley and hopefully some room to bring in a decent backup. Now he needs to avoid the pressure to bring on more vets for the bottom 6 and give our F prospects room to breathe and grow. Gud stuff, C!
 

BatVader

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B for Bat? :laugh:
B for Basically, ok
He filled the roster holes that needed filling, but I don’t think he filled them with the right players.
We’ll see if I’m right or wrong next season… but I’m not overly optimistic of what Schmidt will bring.
 

Shazzam

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The tiny missteps that Chevy made, such as only getting Copp for 1 year, and not getting a great backup, could not have been realistically foreseen. The chain of events that happened were pretty much the best possible scenario at the time in which it occurred. Had he waited or jumped the gun, these moves may not have been available, so his timing was impeccable.

In near-chronological order:
  • Re-signs Lowsy for $3.25 mil x 5. Perhaps it would have been nice to do after expansion, but Lowry is one of the best 3Cs in the league, and that's a good hit. Good move.
  • Chevy protects Stanley over DeMelo in expansion and Copp over Appleton, losing Appleton. This was foreseen, and it would have sucked to lose Stanley after everything that the team and player have done for each other. Protecting Copp was a sign of loyalty, since he clearly wants to remain a Jet. If we protect Apples, we lose Copp or DeMelo, both of which aren't great outcomes.
  • Our draft was great. Two players that many scouts had in their top 10s and 20s fell to us at #18 and #50. Chevy didn't get cute and he didn't have lots of picks, but this was a very good draft.
  • Re-signs Stastny at $3.75 mil x 1. The whole league thinks this was a good play, we solidified our top-6 with good, veteran leadership and a guy who can still play hockey.
  • He goes fishing for Schmidt again. Chevy picks his players very specifically, but it doesn't look like it's going to happen. Oh well.
  • Chevy immediately turns around and snipes Dillon. The price may have been a bit steep, but Chevy surgically removes a really good D-man that likely nobody even had on their radar. If our offer was lower, maybe we don't get him. Maybe Washington clears cap another way, with another team. We paid the price to get it done.
  • Chevy circles back and gets Schmidt. Within 24 hours, Chevy gets a top pairing on long-term for two 2nds and a 3rd, with a combined cap hit of $9.85 mil.
  • He lets all of our crap walk. I can't stress enough how important this was. Benn, Forbort, Poolman, all gone. Perreault, Lewis & Thompson weren't massive losses. Nothing we could have done about Brossoit. This might be one of our best moves.
  • He does nothing with FAs on day #1 of free agent frenzy, which is basically like Boxing Day in the NHL. None of the signings we could have made even compare to the pickups of Dillon & Schmidt.
  • Signs Riley Nash at league minimum. Good bet, good player, good price.
  • Signs Pionk at what is likely the best balance for term vs cap. Great move.
  • Signs Copp with the balance of the cap, in a friendly way, without arbitration. Both sides knew a long-term deal wasn't possible, and Chevy gave Copp every dime he could, with an eye on keeping a solid roster this year. I think & hope an extension gets done ASAP to keep Copper.
  • He's leaving slots open for our young prospects. Stanley, Vesalainen, Harkins and Gustafsson are getting their shots. Toninato showed he could fit, no qualms there.
  • We gave Samberg, Heinola and Perfetti more time to cook in the minors. They'll be call-ups this season, so the timing is good. We slow-cook our prospects to perfection.

Overall, the "criticisms" that can be made are the following:
  • Possibly overpaying Stastny, which strained Copp's negotiations - this couldn't have been foreseen, and the deal is still good. Stastny got us Schmidt, and our locker room is strong.
  • Losing Appleton - it had to happen. Seattle's picks were basically like a meth head picking names out of a hat, there was no telling what they would do. I never want to hear criticism about this expansion choice, we made wise moves to protect loyal players, and unfortunately lost a good, young, cost-controlled winger. Our roster remains strong. Life goes on.
  • We don't have a great backup - have you seen the goalie market? Very few were available anywhere near a "reasonable" price!

Chevy has scored 100/100 on keeping a balance between keeping loyal players, getting good players to fill the gaps that did exist, and in development for the future. The fact that we still manage to fill the cupboards each year, while improving a roster in a city that nobody wants to play in, is a miracle. Our defense might be the best it's ever been, and if all of our forward step up this year, it could be the best roster and result we have ever seen.

Without the power of hindsight, tell me one thing that Chevy could have done this year that would have been possible, realistic, and wise. I honestly can't think of any. My faith in Chevy was restored this year, TNSE will get some of my dollars.

Wow. What a great post. I couldn't agree more.
 
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Shazzam

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A-. I'm a Chevy fan and think he did some sterling work this offseason with a few exceptions:

1. I would have exposed Copp and kept Apples as soon as I had Copp's numbers on term and AAV. Yeah, Copp is the stronger player, but Appleton offered enough of what we needed at a price we could afford.

2. Stats is making a lot for a slowing star. He brings smarts and skill and mentorship -- and, clearly, recruiting -- within his portfolio, but the same player at a bit less offers pressbox cover at F. If we want PLD to stick and reach (or re-reach) his potential, then he needs to be the 1st choice at 2C.

3. He needs to cut bait on Beaulieu. Popular player, but a luxury at this point, and our young talent on D need room to push through the VetNet.

Otherwise he's had what looks like a heckuva offseason, with the D shored up and good deals on Pionk, Stanley and hopefully some room to bring in a decent backup. Now he needs to avoid the pressure to bring on more vets for the bottom 6 and give our F prospects room to breathe and grow. Gud stuff, C!

I don’t disagree with your post except possibly with the bolded. If you are implying that we would have lost Copp if we protected Appleton, I would think there's a very strong possibility that Seattle would have taken Demelo instead of Copp, More term on a cap friendly contract and years under team control.
 

Whileee

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B for Basically, ok
He filled the roster holes that needed filling, but I don’t think he filled them with the right players.
We’ll see if I’m right or wrong next season… but I’m not overly optimistic of what Schmidt will bring.
Who do you think Chevy should and could have acquired at RD (and LD) that would have been better?
 

Neuf

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Comrie and Copp are the weak spots but this looks like a solid offseason to me.
 

tbcwpg

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I’d agreed that this off-season was a year too late.

What I honestly like about this roster now is that if they struggle… you know Maurice is getting turfed. He has a contender here, now.

needs to at least get to WCF imo

I think that giving Colorado a good run in round 2 would mean the season wasn't a waste for me either, at least given how strong they look right now. Let's see how the season plays out.
 
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