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Jetsfan79

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Not worried about the backup, we can always get a veteran backup at the trade deadline if things don't go well but this is a playoff team even with Comrie as the backup. The kid has 15 games to prove us wrong.

These moves have made me excited for this next season!

Yea its funny how everyone seems to forget veteran backups can be picked up mid season. Either via waivers or a non costly trade.
 

EpicGingy

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He upgraded our defence, re-signed the players that needed to be re-signed, and didn't give up a roster player or significant prospect. Plus, our 1st and 2nd round picks were pretty good as well.

It's hard to imagine doing any better with the cards he had to play this summer. Maybe a better backup than Comrie, but the additions of Schmidt and Dillon were more important and left little cap room to maneuver.
 

Nedarb

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I gave Chevy an A. However, I still have questions on Morrisey, Schmidt and Dubois performance. But Chevy imo has had his best offseason.
 
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libertarian

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I give Chevy a C for doing only what optics required. This team needs a new coach, this team needs a new core to really elevate itself to serious contender status. After this real season plays out, with real opponents and real travel demands, you will see that I am right.

Your right, why didn't Chevy trade away the Jets core of players for Tampa's core of players?

Boom we win a SC.

Easy Peasy.

Chevy is so incompetent! All he had to do is replace the Jets core, how did he never think about that?
 

WolfHouse

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Your right, why didn't Chevy trade away the Jets core of players for Tampa's core of players?

Boom we win a SC.

Easy Peasy.

Chevy is so incompetent! All he had to do is replace the Jets core, how did he never think about that?
If only we had traded Scheif, Connor, Wheeler, Ehlers and Morrissey for Eichel and Hamilton
 
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I gave him an A.
We needed more O from the back end and we also needed to get bigger/tougher and he served them both up for Maurice.
It cost two 2nds and a 3rd but he is obviously in the win now mode.
I haven't been this anxious to see a season start since the 2018-2019 season.
 

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Considering what he was able to do with our D which was by far the biggest issue, he gets an A from me.
And he did it without giving up any first round picks or trading away our existing talent - which many of us thought he would have to do to get it done. To top it off, he was able to sign the two guys at rates lower than many of us thought possible.
Unless A means perfect, this is an A
 

JetsFan815

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I give Chevy a C for doing only what optics required. This team needs a new coach, this team needs a new core to really elevate itself to serious contender status. After this real season plays out, with real opponents and real travel demands, you will see that I am right.
We are not getting a "new core" for a minimum of 3 years until the Helle/Scheifele/Ehlers contract window is closed. Maybe they'll blow it up 3 years from now when Scheif/Helle are going to be UFAs and Ehlers is 1 year away from UFA but until then they are going for it by hook or by crook.

If this season goes pear shaped, firing the coach will be the next step as they try to reload for 2 more years.

Going for it with this core is the right decision at this point, there is no way you are getting a new core to allow you to contend while you still have Scheife/Helle/Ehlers in their prime and on relatively team friendly deals.
 

JetsFan815

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Considering what he was able to do with our D which was by far the biggest issue, he gets an A from me.
And he did it without giving up any first round picks or trading away our existing talent - which many of us thought he would have to do to get it done. To top it off, he was able to sign the two guys at rates lower than many of us thought possible.
Unless A means perfect, this is an A

Yep, it reminds me very much of how the Leafs rebuilt their d-corps from the complete garbage they had a couple of years ago with guys like Hainsey and Marincin playing in their top 4 (and often top pairing) without giving up a whole lot in assets. Hopefully the results are better for us than they were for the Leafs.
 

Tasteless Beaver

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The tiny missteps that Chevy made, such as only getting Copp for 1 year, and not getting a great backup, could not have been realistically foreseen. The chain of events that happened were pretty much the best possible scenario at the time in which it occurred. Had he waited or jumped the gun, these moves may not have been available, so his timing was impeccable.

In near-chronological order:
  • Re-signs Lowsy for $3.25 mil x 5. Perhaps it would have been nice to do after expansion, but Lowry is one of the best 3Cs in the league, and that's a good hit. Good move.
  • Chevy protects Stanley over DeMelo in expansion and Copp over Appleton, losing Appleton. This was foreseen, and it would have sucked to lose Stanley after everything that the team and player have done for each other. Protecting Copp was a sign of loyalty, since he clearly wants to remain a Jet. If we protect Apples, we lose Copp or DeMelo, both of which aren't great outcomes.
  • Our draft was great. Two players that many scouts had in their top 10s and 20s fell to us at #18 and #50. Chevy didn't get cute and he didn't have lots of picks, but this was a very good draft.
  • Re-signs Stastny at $3.75 mil x 1. The whole league thinks this was a good play, we solidified our top-6 with good, veteran leadership and a guy who can still play hockey.
  • He goes fishing for Schmidt again. Chevy picks his players very specifically, but it doesn't look like it's going to happen. Oh well.
  • Chevy immediately turns around and snipes Dillon. The price may have been a bit steep, but Chevy surgically removes a really good D-man that likely nobody even had on their radar. If our offer was lower, maybe we don't get him. Maybe Washington clears cap another way, with another team. We paid the price to get it done.
  • Chevy circles back and gets Schmidt. Within 24 hours, Chevy gets a top pairing on long-term for two 2nds and a 3rd, with a combined cap hit of $9.85 mil.
  • He lets all of our crap walk. I can't stress enough how important this was. Benn, Forbort, Poolman, all gone. Perreault, Lewis & Thompson weren't massive losses. Nothing we could have done about Brossoit. This might be one of our best moves.
  • He does nothing with FAs on day #1 of free agent frenzy, which is basically like Boxing Day in the NHL. None of the signings we could have made even compare to the pickups of Dillon & Schmidt.
  • Signs Riley Nash at league minimum. Good bet, good player, good price.
  • Signs Pionk at what is likely the best balance for term vs cap. Great move.
  • Signs Copp with the balance of the cap, in a friendly way, without arbitration. Both sides knew a long-term deal wasn't possible, and Chevy gave Copp every dime he could, with an eye on keeping a solid roster this year. I think & hope an extension gets done ASAP to keep Copper.
  • He's leaving slots open for our young prospects. Stanley, Vesalainen, Harkins and Gustafsson are getting their shots. Toninato showed he could fit, no qualms there.
  • We gave Samberg, Heinola and Perfetti more time to cook in the minors. They'll be call-ups this season, so the timing is good. We slow-cook our prospects to perfection.

Overall, the "criticisms" that can be made are the following:
  • Possibly overpaying Stastny, which strained Copp's negotiations - this couldn't have been foreseen, and the deal is still good. Stastny got us Schmidt, and our locker room is strong.
  • Losing Appleton - it had to happen. Seattle's picks were basically like a meth head picking names out of a hat, there was no telling what they would do. I never want to hear criticism about this expansion choice, we made wise moves to protect loyal players, and unfortunately lost a good, young, cost-controlled winger. Our roster remains strong. Life goes on.
  • We don't have a great backup - have you seen the goalie market? Very few were available anywhere near a "reasonable" price!

Chevy has scored 100/100 on keeping a balance between keeping loyal players, getting good players to fill the gaps that did exist, and in development for the future. The fact that we still manage to fill the cupboards each year, while improving a roster in a city that nobody wants to play in, is a miracle. Our defense might be the best it's ever been, and if all of our forward step up this year, it could be the best roster and result we have ever seen.

Without the power of hindsight, tell me one thing that Chevy could have done this year that would have been possible, realistic, and wise. I honestly can't think of any. My faith in Chevy was restored this year, TNSE will get some of my dollars.
 

Teemusalami204

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I think this will be Maurice's most important season since they made the conference finals. No excuses with upgrade on D, top 6 mostly in their prime and arguably best 3rd line in Hockey mostly intact . 1st round loss or worse, I think we see a coaching change.

I still feel Maurice and wheeler contracts are one in the same no matter what happens… almost.

unless we are a lottery pick Maurice gets next year. Imo
 

Teemusalami204

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The tiny missteps that Chevy made, such as only getting Copp for 1 year, and not getting a great backup, could not have been realistically foreseen. The chain of events that happened were pretty much the best possible scenario at the time in which it occurred. Had he waited or jumped the gun, these moves may not have been available, so his timing was impeccable.

In near-chronological order:
  • Re-signs Lowsy for $3.25 mil x 5. Perhaps it would have been nice to do after expansion, but Lowry is one of the best 3Cs in the league, and that's a good hit. Good move.
  • Chevy protects Stanley over DeMelo in expansion and Copp over Appleton, losing Appleton. This was foreseen, and it would have sucked to lose Stanley after everything that the team and player have done for each other. Protecting Copp was a sign of loyalty, since he clearly wants to remain a Jet. If we protect Apples, we lose Copp or DeMelo, both of which aren't great outcomes.
  • Our draft was great. Two players that many scouts had in their top 10s and 20s fell to us at #18 and #50. Chevy didn't get cute and he didn't have lots of picks, but this was a very good draft.
  • Re-signs Stastny at $3.75 mil x 1. The whole league thinks this was a good play, we solidified our top-6 with good, veteran leadership and a guy who can still play hockey.
  • He goes fishing for Schmidt again. Chevy picks his players very specifically, but it doesn't look like it's going to happen. Oh well.
  • Chevy immediately turns around and snipes Dillon. The price may have been a bit steep, but Chevy surgically removes a really good D-man that likely nobody even had on their radar. If our offer was lower, maybe we don't get him. Maybe Washington clears cap another way, with another team. We paid the price to get it done.
  • Chevy circles back and gets Schmidt. Within 24 hours, Chevy gets a top pairing on long-term for two 2nds and a 3rd, with a combined cap hit of $9.85 mil.
  • He lets all of our crap walk. I can't stress enough how important this was. Benn, Forbort, Poolman, all gone. Perreault, Lewis & Thompson weren't massive losses. Nothing we could have done about Brossoit. This might be one of our best moves.
  • He does nothing with FAs on day #1 of free agent frenzy, which is basically like Boxing Day in the NHL. None of the signings we could have made even compare to the pickups of Dillon & Schmidt.
  • Signs Riley Nash at league minimum. Good bet, good player, good price.
  • Signs Pionk at what is likely the best balance for term vs cap. Great move.
  • Signs Copp with the balance of the cap, in a friendly way, without arbitration. Both sides knew a long-term deal wasn't possible, and Chevy gave Copp every dime he could, with an eye on keeping a solid roster this year. I think & hope an extension gets done ASAP to keep Copper.
  • He's leaving slots open for our young prospects. Stanley, Vesalainen, Harkins and Gustafsson are getting their shots. Toninato showed he could fit, no qualms there.
  • We gave Samberg, Heinola and Perfetti more time to cook in the minors. They'll be call-ups this season, so the timing is good. We slow-cook our prospects to perfection.

Overall, the "criticisms" that can be made are the following:
  • Possibly overpaying Stastny, which strained Copp's negotiations - this couldn't have been foreseen, and the deal is still good. Stastny got us Schmidt, and our locker room is strong.
  • Losing Appleton - it had to happen. Seattle's picks were basically like a meth head picking names out of a hat, there was no telling what they would do. I never want to hear criticism about this expansion choice, we made wise moves to protect loyal players, and unfortunately lost a good, young, cost-controlled winger. Our roster remains strong. Life goes on.
  • We don't have a great backup - have you seen the goalie market? Very few were available anywhere near a "reasonable" price!

Chevy has scored 100/100 on keeping a balance between keeping loyal players, getting good players to fill the gaps that did exist, and in development for the future. The fact that we still manage to fill the cupboards each year, while improving a roster in a city that nobody wants to play in, is a miracle. Our defense might be the best it's ever been, and if all of our forward step up this year, it could be the best roster and result we have ever seen.

Without the power of hindsight, tell me one thing that Chevy could have done this year that would have been possible, realistic, and wise. I honestly can't think of any. My faith in Chevy was restored this year, TNSE will get some of my dollars.

It’s been an amazing offseason that’s for sure. But to play devil’s advocate. What stopped Chevy from being this aggressive in years past ? Its never to late but this could of happened 2 years ago. I won’t go further back because we were drafting and developing.
 
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Tasteless Beaver

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I should add that I'm not at all worried about our "core" past 2023/2024. Other than maybe some questionable offers to veteran leaders (cough, Wheeler), Chevy has made good moves to keep the core together. And he definitely finds ways to bring everybody on board at a reasonable price. I'm not at all worried about keeping a good rotation of players and maintaining a contender past 2024 - a ton can happen in that timeframe. Our rapport with our team is great, and there is a reason why our good prospects stick around.

Toronto though, they are SCREWED. After 2023/2024, when Matthews and Nylander walk, and old man Tavares is way past his prime (and making 11M for another season), and Marner still has 1 year left at $10.93 million, they are in full rebuild mode. Like, Buffalo-level. They have no prospects to fill the pipe, they have no clue how to negotiate with good free agents, and their talent retention is awful. I can see them being a lottery team in 2025.
 
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