Goaltending

[ACC1224]

I disagree. While I see the appeal of chasing after a Hellebuyck level goalie, the Leafs have been done in in recent playoffs because they fail to score enough. I'd rather use the assets and cap space an established upper echelon goalie would require on a defenseman or forward.

I also have faith in either one of Samsonov or Woll turning out into the starter we need going forward. Both guys are relatively young for goalies and have shown high-level play in their short careers. They're also cheap and cost-controlled for the next couple years so that's a big bonus.

My last reason for being against big-game hunting a goalie is just how volatile and unpredictable the position is nowadays. The most of the best goalies statistically this season were out in round 1, if not round 2. Only Oettinger made it past round 2 among top ten goalies who played at least 20 games. The two goalies dueling in the Finals now is Bobrovsky who was mediocre before this run, and an unknown Hill, who hasn't started more than 25 games in a season in his career.

Having an elite goalie would help, but it's no guarantee the Leafs would go far with him, just look at the Rangers these playoffs. The cost-benefit plus the potential I see in Sammy and Woll makes me against prioritizing a goalie.

Sounds like you agree?

If not, well I agree with you.

 

[Jimmy Firecracker]

Sounds like you agree?

If not, well I agree with you.

I can't read. Whoops.

 

[The Iceman]

Hart is a career .906 goaltender.
His first 2 seasons he was .917 and .914
Is he trending badly, injured, or just not a true #1?

Lots of questions and maybe similar not better than Samsonov who is a career .907 coming off a .919

 

[trellaine201]

I don’t think they resign Samsanov. I think they move in a different direction.

 

[keonsbitterness]

Hart is a career .906 goaltender.
His first 2 seasons he was .917 and .914
Is he trending badly, injured, or just not a true #1?

Or maybe his team is much worse than he is.

 

[nuck]

I don’t think they resign Samsonov. I think they move in a different direction.

Unless the contract ask is stupid I can't see them letting him walk. The goaltending is for sure a gamble but thanks to Murray and the general cap issues I don't see how they could invest in a more proven option. A possible add at D will drink up whatever money and resources they can spare.

Samy is far from proven but it is certainly possible that he is as good as he looked in the regular season, and had a bad playoff. The Woll sample is dinky but it is also possible that in a full season he will be close to what he looked like in 22-23. I don't see the club willingly throwing this potential away. With a much better cap situation and less of a hole in the D they could be daring but if they can find an extra few million I think spending it on an Ekholm type add is the likelier play..

 

[weems]

Another angle you have to look at with Hellebuyck is that he's played on a worse defensive team than Toronto the past few seasons so in theory, his play could even be more elevated seeing he wont be facing as many chances against and the quality of actual chance will be worse in Toronto vs Winnipeg.

Last 3 seasons 220 games played 5v5

High danger chances against

xGA

Pretty crazy to see just how much better defensively we've been than Winnipeg. I understand not wanting to pay top assets or top dollar for a goalie and it can certainly work out with a Samsonov/Woll tandem, but I think this is a move you have to strongly think about because top flight goalies are so rarely available and he could be even better on our team with improved team in front of him.

 

[Anthrax442]

Unless the contract ask is stupid I can't see them letting him walk. The goaltending is for sure a gamble but thanks to Murray and the general cap issues I don't see how they could invest in a more proven option. A possible add at D will drink up whatever money and resources they can spare.

Samy is far from proven but it is certainly possible that he is as good as he looked in the regular season, and had a bad playoff. The Woll sample is dinky but it is also possible that in a full season he will be close to what he looked like in 22-23. I don't see the club willingly throwing this potential away. With a much better cap situation and less of a hole in the D they could be daring but if they can find an extra few million I think spending it on an Ekholm type add is the likelier play..

Sammy looks like he has made some big strides during the season. But he needs to calm tf down, too emotional. I would bring him back on a 2 year deal.

 

[MapleLeafsMats]

I could see Samsonov used in a move to get Hellebuyck.

 

[sunstersun]

Sammy and Woll are fine. I'm really fine with Woll.

 

[Menzinger]

Another angle you have to look at with Hellebuyck is that he's played on a worse defensive team than Toronto the past few seasons so in theory, his play could even be more elevated seeing he wont be facing as many chances against and the quality of actual chance will be worse in Toronto vs Winnipeg.

Last 3 seasons 220 games played 5v5

High danger chances against
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xGA

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Pretty crazy to see just how much better defensively we've been than Winnipeg. I understand not wanting to pay top assets or top dollar for a goalie and it can certainly work out with a Samsonov/Woll tandem, but I think this is a move you have to strongly think about because top flight goalies are so rarely available and he could be even better on our team with improved team in front of him.

You raise a really interesting question. He's just at that worst age before getting a big contract.

Still potentially worth it though

 

[yubbers]

Gibson asking for a trade.....

 

[Notsince67]

This makes most sense .. Sammy is good enough for regular season .. and he won us a playoff round against a great team .. Woll could use a year as a backup .. given CAP hell this is likely .. hopefully Murray can be unloaded without giving up 1st rounders .. not into losing anymore 1st rounders when we don't even have a Cup team yet

Trade Murray to Pittsburgh for futures. Does Dubas say no?

 

[JT AM da real deal]

Trade Murray to Pittsburgh for futures. Does Dubas say no?

please please please help us out Dubie

 

[Notsince67]

please please please help us out Dubie

Would he actually say that Murray for futures is a bad trade? He does need some Soo Greyhound diversity there

 

[mydnyte]

Would he actually say that Murray for futures is a bad trade? He does need some Soo Greyhound diversity there

trade Murray for the rights to Heinen
...dont even need futures coming back

 

[Notsince67]

trade Murray for the rights to Heinen
...dont even need futures coming back

Send Mr. McFeely for a speedy delivery to Dubas in Pittsburgh.

 

[mydnyte]

Send Mr. McFeely for a speedy delivery to Dubas in Pittsburgh.

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it sucks that i'm old enough to remember this without even needing to watch the video

 

[Notsince67]

it sucks that i'm old enough to remember this without even needing to watch the video

Most yinzers aren't as gentle as Mr Rogers. Dubas is kind of a reincarnation.

 

[rumman]

IMO, biggest difference between Hart and Woll is Hart was given an opportunity.
I get Hellebuyck or Saros as upgrades, I'm not sure that Hart is one.

Philly ruined Hart by throwing him to the wolves too early and they fired their GM to do it...........

 

[Mess]

trade Murray for the rights to Heinen
...dont even need futures coming back

Matt Murray back to Pitts for the rights to pending UFA Tristan Jarry.

 

[rumman]

Matt Murray back to Pitts for the rights to pending UFA Tristan Jarry.

or a bag of pucks..........

 

[Cor]

Samsonov and Woll. Easily IMO

We should be able to get Samsonov on a nice medium-term deal. Woll is cheap.

0 interest in paying the assets Winnipeg will ask for AND give a goalie that will be 31 when the contract starts a long-term, high money deal.

 

[Notsince67]

or a bag of pucks..........

Half a primanti brothers sandwich that I will pay for as long as it's delivered

 

[mydnyte]

so... Hart looks to be on the move, maybe today also