Goalie controversy thread

WATTAGE4451

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I agree. Binnington has better fundamentals. He is a lot less streaky. He seems to me better on average than Allen. Allen would be struggling mightily with this weaker Blues' defence, playing with a shadow of his former self, Parayko, without Pietrangelo, Bouwmeester, and Gunnarsson, and needing to play Jake Walman, and playing a fresh rookie in Perunovich.
Allen was really good when he was on but was inconsistsnt and couldnt keep up good play over higher workloads. He was good whem he had elliot splitting with him butnwhem asked to be the guy, struggled until hutton took the workload temporarily before he rebounded or binny took it completely.

I also agree allen wasnt great fundamentally. He could be. But his fundamentals were inconsistent and hed fall into habits where he dropped down too early or would go absolute slide crazy over compensating amd oversliding terribly whenhe was out of wack often sliding completely past the pipes.

Allem even when he was on seemed to have trouble seeing the puck from far out as he ga enup more goals from just inside blueline without much traffic than most goalies and he did this even during some ofnhis hot streaks. His other cpnsistent weakness was getting beat on shortside more than normal cuz he was always trying to cheat farside.
 
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seems like Binny had a pretty good night last night. good for him. and good for the Blues. they'll need him to be good

also saw somewhere that Husso got moved to LTIR?
 

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seems like Binny had a pretty good night last night. good for him. and good for the Blues. they'll need him to be good

also saw somewhere that Husso got moved to LTIR?
I hope that won't mean that Lindgren will play his 10th game, and later risk being lost to waivers. I wish there would be some rule during this time of the drastic Covid Protocol, that emergency call-ups like Lindgren, and, possibly Hofer, later(if the Cap rules can be gotten around by roster manipulation), would provide them with immunity from waivers loss. The Cap restrictions should also be dropped to allow teams to fill out their current NHL rosters, without punishment.
 

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I hope that won't mean that Lindgren will play his 10th game, and later risk being lost to waivers. I wish there would be some rule during this time of the drastic Covid Protocol, that emergency call-ups like Lindgren, and, possibly Hofer, later(if the Cap rules can be gotten around by roster manipulation), would provide them with immunity from waivers loss. The Cap restrictions should also be dropped to allow teams to fill out their current NHL rosters, without punishment.
Do you not think Lindgren has some rights to try and play for an NHL team after showing well for us? Do you guys really want us to be stashing all these players on our A team after they’ve shown so well here? Good for them, I hope they can find a more permanent roster spot somewhere.
 

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Do you not think Lindgren has some rights to try and play for an NHL team after showing well for us? Do you guys really want us to be stashing all these players on our A team after they’ve shown so well here? Good for them, I hope they can find a more permanent roster spot somewhere.
Unless you can guarantee me nobody else gets hurt, yes I do want these guys to stay in our system.
 

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Unless you can guarantee me nobody else gets hurt, yes I do want these guys to stay in our system.
from a fan POV, I get this. but if I were the player, I'd like the opportunity to keep playing in the bigs. but if I'm Army, I'd try to keep Lindy's games down and keep control of him.. just in case

on a side note, has anyone heard what Husso's injury is? how long he could possibly be out?
 
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Absolutely! This is a must with The Covid problem. The NHL should add Covid exceptions to the current rules.
how about a rule that states a team can designate a 3rd goalie and not count against the cap? so, for instance, if all 3 were healthy, STL could designate Lindy as the 3rd goalie. he would not be eligible to play unless one of the other 2 were on IR, and his cap wouldnt count
 
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So is Allen the new Pie for forum discussion?
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how about a rule that states a team can designate a 3rd goalie and not count against the cap? so, for instance, if all 3 were healthy, STL could designate Lindy as the 3rd goalie. he would not be eligible to play unless one of the other 2 were on IR, and his cap wouldnt count
That seems like a good method of needed relief for unlucky teams.
 
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Dude, he's not even on the team anymore. Binnington will get Washington on Friday night and Husso will get Dallas on Sunday afternoon.
And if Binnington keeps producing quality starts at a 35% pace, how long do you stick with him? I said there wasn't a controversy earlier in this thread, but the fact is Binnington hasn't been good this year.
 
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And if Binnington keeps producing quality starts at a 35% pace, how long do you stick with him? I said there wasn't a controversy earlier in this thread, but the fact is Binnington hasn't been good this year.
Miko and Parayko and Scandella haven’t been good. Binnington has been fine.
 
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Miko and Parayko and Scandella haven’t been good. Binnington has been fine.
"fine" from your goaltender does not win in the playoffs. we had "fine" goaltending for decades. That leads to first round exits.
 
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And if Binnington keeps producing quality starts at a 35% pace, how long do you stick with him? I said there wasn't a controversy earlier in this thread, but the fact is Binnington hasn't been good this year.
Last night wasn't a quality start by the numbers but he was our best player by a pretty healthy margin. So long as the goalie I'm watching is playing like that then I'd stick with him regardless of what the stats show. Statistically, he had an awful game last night. He sported an .878 SV% and allowed 5 goals on an expected 3.59. But he also made some fantastic saves, was the only reason we were in the game late and didn't really have much of a chance on anything that beat him. He got scored on after contact that absolutely prevented him from catching a puck (legal, but certainly not his fault), a top corner PP one timer, a bat out of mid air rebound following a very good save, a backdoor tap in and a cross ice feed lasered top corner far side. Here's the heat map showing the goal locations:

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We had the best goalie on the ice last night, but he took a non-quality start. It's happened too much this year.

He also had a non-quality start in the Winter Classic, but I didn't have a problem with that game either. Mikkola buried a beautiful centering pass from Kaprizov, Perunovich had a gorgeous deflection to put in the puck off his helmet, goal #3 was a fantastic cross ice back door one-timer and goal #4 was a centering pass to a guy all alone in front who faked a one timer and then deked and buried it. Notice that two of those goal scorers play for the Blues.

9 goals against in the last 2 games and not a single one was soft. 3 of them were catastrophic breakdowns leading to a sure goal so long as the shooter doesn't fully botch it, 2 of them were fluky bounces off our own D men where Binner was properly positioned, 1 of them was a zero-reaction-time top corner PP one timer that goes in every time it gets executed, and 1 of them was a play where his ability to make the save was fully removed from incidental contact through no fault of his own. That's 7 of the 9 that I can't fathom anyone could have expected a different outcome with another goalie in net. The remaining two were the batted home rebound and the cross ice pass that was wired top corner far side. The rebound that got batted home was on a great blocker save on an uncovered Pen 4 feet on top of the crease that got to deke and then attempt a backhand roof job. That absolutely can't be chalked up to the goalie. So is the complaint that he should have stopped the cross crease pass and only allowed 8 goals in the 2 games? Under the assumption that every one of his very good saves would have been made by anyone?

I genuinely don't understand how anyone with a shred of hockey knowledge could have watched these games and be displeased with Binner's play since the break. He's had just an okay season so far this year and we'll see if that was a slump or if the inconsistency continues as the sample size grows. But he has been very good recently despite putting up one statistical quality start in 3 games.
 

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Just because Binnington made a couple great saves last night, that doesn't excuse him letting in the bad goals... 5 goals is 5 goals. He's turning into Jake Allen 2.0
People always made excuses for him because he'd stand on his head for a period.
 

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Just because Binnington made a couple great saves last night, that doesn't excuse him letting in the bad goals... 5 goals is 5 goals. He's turning into Jake Allen 2.0
People always made excuses for him because he'd stand on his head for a period.
Binnington is the starter until Husso steals the net from him. Lindgren is only getting back into the equation if one of those two ends up on IR. The uncertainty of how postponed games are going to be made up and how the Olympic break will be filled with these and other games throws some huge question marks against this, but if Husso plays more and not less it will be because he is getting better results than Binnington on a consistent basis, not just based on one or two good games. Personally, I think he can do it but Binnington is the kind of athlete that you don't really want to bet against when the games get bigger. I hope it is Husso and not Binnington that makes it really tough for Berube to start Binnington in the playoffs.
 
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Binnington is the starter until Husso steals the net from him. Lindgren is only getting back into the equation if one of those two ends up on IR. The uncertainty of how postponed games are going to be made up and how the Olympic break will be filled with these and other games throws some huge question marks against this, but if Husso plays more and not less it will be because he is getting better results than Binnington on a consistent basis, not just based on one or two good games. Personally, I think he can do it but Binnington is the kind of athlete that you don't really want to bet against when the games get bigger. I hope it is Husso and not Binnington that makes it really tough for Berube to start Binnington in the playoffs.

Ville Husso's numbers are so much better than Binnington...and it's not just the numbers. I get Binnington starting the outdoor game because Husso just returned from injury but I have no clue why Berube thought it would be a great idea to start Binnington vs Pittsburgh. Husso should be the starter already. He has to start vs Washington and if he does well, the net should continue to be his.
 
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Just because Binnington made a couple great saves last night, that doesn't excuse him letting in the bad goals... 5 goals is 5 goals. He's turning into Jake Allen 2.0
People always made excuses for him because he'd stand on his head for a period.

There were no bad goals, If the defense allows cross ice passes for one-timers and the player shooting literally picks top corner then there is nothing any goalie is going to do to stop that. You need to stop acting like he's misplaying pucks and playing off his angle. The Team as a whole are letting defensive breakdowns occur that leave these players wide open.
 

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There were no bad goals, If the defense allows cross ice passes for one-timers and the player shooting literally picks top corner then there is nothing any goalie is going to do to stop that. You need to stop acting like he's misplaying pucks and playing off his angle. The Team as a whole are letting defensive breakdowns occur that leave these players wide open.

As an NHL starter with such a salary you're expected to make not just routine saves but also some more difficult big saves once in a while. Binnington doesn't do that and if he does, in most cases, he gave up two bad ones before. The Blues may be the easiest team to play behind and with very few exceptions during the Yeo era they've been easy to play behind since Hitchcock. Blues are defending the slot so well even random AHL goalies can put up great numbers. The only one who can't is Binnington. Had one good year and is now struggling once he got figured out.
 

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