Goalie controversy thread

[Louie the Blue]

Why would you assume that Binnington is in a poor patch? He's dropped every year he's been here. Maybe it is possible that he's just average.

He still put up solid numbers the past 2 seasons. There is no way anyone would've been able to match what he did in 2018-2019 consistently.

 

[TruBlu]

He still put up solid numbers the past 2 seasons. There is no way anyone would've been able to match what he did in 2018-2019 consistently.

That's my point.

 

[Louie the Blue]

That's my point.

My reasoning would be that he's probably playing slightly below what I think his normal/consistent play to be - 0.910 to 0.915 save %.

He played behind a porous defense that was fielding a 6th pairing caliber defense pair in the POs.

I think Binnington's an above average starter. Nothing more or less. Not good, not bad, not average, not great. Just above average.

 

[TruBlu]

My reasoning would be that he's probably playing slightly below what I think his normal/consistent play to be - 0.910 to 0.915 save %.

He played behind a porous defense that was fielding a 6th pairing caliber defense pair in the POs.

I think Binnington's an above average starter. Nothing more or less. Not good, not bad, not average, not great. Just above average.

He's an average starter. It might surprise you that our defense isn't as bad as you think it is.

 

[Louie the Blue]

He's an average starter. It might surprise you that our defense isn't as bad as you think it is.

I didn’t say that for this season.

It was a dumpster fire last year due to changes in personnel being exacerbated by injuries.

 

[Stupendous Yappi]

Why would you assume that Binnington is in a poor patch? He's dropped every year he's been here. Maybe it is possible that he's just average.

I think he IS average, but capable of raising his game when the stakes are the highest. That's about how he's paid as well. If the Blues can get average goaltending from a guy carrying a heavy starter's load, that's definitely worth his salary. Being an average starter is a top 11-20 guy in the league. Nothing to be ashamed of there. I'd be thrilled with that year over year.

 

[WATTAGE4451]

You have a short memory. There were many years the Blues were waiting to get a solid goalie answer. Legace, Mason, Halak, Miller, Elliot, Allen. UFAs, trades, home-grown...it was a long frustrating path before Binnington. (I could go back further and the list only gets sadder.) There were several post-seasons where the team was good enough to go a lot farther if they could have equal goalie play vs their opponent. Binnington broke that trend. Maybe he won't play to that level in the playoffs again, but he's at least proven he's capable of it. His 'mediocre' play the last couple years was plenty good to get the team into the post-season, so obviously it wasn't that bad. And last year he did it with no viable back-up as Husso was entirely unreliable.

I agree with the posts above talking about giving Husso a 3 year deal. Its no problem if he ends up winning the starting job, but paid as the back-up. I bet Edmonton would be happy to have Binnington this minute. He is movable if need be.

halak, elliot and allen before elliot left were among the top tandems in the league each season. Halak didnt have the greatest postseason success but i think the team was more to blame considering halak had postseason success before coming here so it wasnt the pressure. elliot had 1 pretty good playoff run as well. allen his first year after elliot left was the only reason the blues won any games in the playoffs.

 

[Bluesnatic27]

He's an average starter. It might surprise you that our defense isn't as bad as you think it is.

And it might surprise you that the defense is actually pretty bad.

The Blues currently have the 4th highest expected goals against per 60 minutes in 5-on-5 play. That’s pretty damn bad when your team is associated with the Canadiens in a team performance metric.

 

[WATTAGE4451]

And it might surprise you that the defense is actually pretty bad.

The Blues currently have the 4th highest expected goals against per 60 minutes in 5-on-5 play. That’s pretty damn bad when your team is associated with the Canadiens in a team performance metric.

why only xga per 60? last i checked the whole game matters and the goalie plays in all strengths

blues are 24/32 in xga, and we are only .05 away from the 20th place hurricanes, so its not like we are that far below average even though we are on the lower side.

binny is -1.12 goals saved above average. Slightly below average. Theres a margin for error on these stats but binnington has basically been an average goalie. Not terrible but no way deserving of the contract he got.

 

[parliamentlite]

Hypothetical deadline situation:

Husso is willing to sign 4 years at $4 million per.

Another team is simultaneously offering a likely lotto pick plus marginal futures for Binnington.

Do you make these two moves?

 

[Joshuar56]

Hypothetical deadline situation:

Husso is willing to sign 4 years at $4 million per.

Another team is simultaneously offering a likely lotto pick plus marginal futures for Binnington.

Do you make these two moves?

No one is giving a lotto pick for Binnington... Binnington isn't waving his NTC to go to a team that would be up for a lotto pick. Husso also isn't getting $4 Mil per.

 

[bleedblue1223]

Hypothetical deadline situation:

Husso is willing to sign 4 years at $4 million per.

Another team is simultaneously offering a likely lotto pick plus marginal futures for Binnington.

Do you make these two moves?

Husso won't get that and no one is offering that for Binnington, but sure I might do it.

 

[BlueSeal]

halak, elliot and allen before elliot left were among the top tandems in the league each season. Halak didnt have the greatest postseason success but i think the team was more to blame considering halak had postseason success before coming here so it wasnt the pressure. elliot had 1 pretty good playoff run as well. allen his first year after elliot left was the only reason the blues won any games in the playoffs.

Halak only played 2 playoff games while wearing Blue while always disappointed me. We got him because he stole games and helped carry the Habs. He's a pretty solid playoff netminder who has some really serious upside if he's supported.

 

[BlueSeal]

Hypothetical deadline situation:

Husso is willing to sign 4 years at $4 million per.

Another team is simultaneously offering a likely lotto pick plus marginal futures for Binnington.

Do you make these two moves?

Husso getting 4x4 may very well happen if he continues to play tall.

The Binny one is a question without context. Without knowing the pick, the quality of the draft and the 'marignal futures', I'd be willing to bet that Binny's NTC flips the finger on anything resembling a trade and why would you trade the first rookie netminder to bring home the Cup and broke our curse? Yeah, Binny stays as long as he wants. He's been a sound, quality netminder. I don't hear you haters, I don't!

 

[Linkens Mastery]

We flip out over Binnington getting 6x6 after 3 years of .912 Save% and winning twice as many games as he's lost in 124 games and winning a cup. But we are ok giving Husso 4mil for four years after playing just 30 games over two seasons?

 

[ScratchCatFever]

This sudden goalie quandary and what it could mean moving forward makes me even less enthusiastic about Hofer being part of a major deal.
Binny definitely needs to start playing like a $6 million goalkeeper on a more consistent basis or Armstrong will be in a pretty unenviable position in the off-season if he views Husso as the guy they thought they were getting when we originally drafted him.

 

[Reality Czech]

Halak only played 2 playoff games while wearing Blue while always disappointed me. We got him because he stole games and helped carry the Habs. He's a pretty solid playoff netminder who has some really serious upside if he's supported.

I seem to recall that Halak didn't get many chances with the Blues in the playoffs. He was often injured and I recall one year they went with Elliott. Can't remember exactly what year that was but who can forget the image of Halak sulking on the bench because he didn't get to play? Then they traded him for Miller. Clearly Halak was and still is a solid goaltender, but he was never going to top that magical run he had with the Habs.

 

[Linkens Mastery]

I seem to recall that Halak didn't get many chances with the Blues in the playoffs. He was often injured and I recall one year they went with Elliott. Can't remember exactly what year that was but who can forget the image of Halak sulking on the bench because he didn't get to play? Then they traded him for Miller. Clearly Halak was and still is a solid goaltender, but he was never going to top that magical run he had with the Habs.

Reminds me of Oshie saying Hitch made playing hockey miserable.

 

[WATTAGE4451]

I seem to recall that Halak didn't get many chances with the Blues in the playoffs. He was often injured and I recall one year they went with Elliott. Can't remember exactly what year that was but who can forget the image of Halak sulking on the bench because he didn't get to play? Then they traded him for Miller. Clearly Halak was and still is a solid goaltender, but he was never going to top that magical run he had with the Habs.

The year of the lockout both elliot and halak came to the season out of shape and jept getting injured and wsre ineffective. Thats thebyear jake allen came up as a rookie and saved our season by just playing average and we sent elliott on conditioning stint in minors and he then came back from conditioning stint hottest goalie in league and started in playoffs over halak

 

[Joshuar56]

I seem to recall that Halak didn't get many chances with the Blues in the playoffs. He was often injured and I recall one year they went with Elliott. Can't remember exactly what year that was but who can forget the image of Halak sulking on the bench because he didn't get to play? Then they traded him for Miller. Clearly Halak was and still is a solid goaltender, but he was never going to top that magical run he had with the Habs.

He hurt his ankle against the sharks and never came back. I think that was one of the years the king knocked the blues out.

 

[TheDizee]

halak never really got a fair shot in the playoffs here, that is true.

 

[TheDizee]

these should be our goalies

tonight is binner's last shot.

 

[Linkens Mastery]

these should be our goalies

tonight is binner's last shot.

Are you Doug Armstrong? Because last I checked he makes the decisions not someone on a message boards.

 

[AjaxManifesto]

Binny will be fine. Husso will be fine. Lindgren and Hofer will be fine too.

We have good goaltending this year. Lots of good options. A logjam of talent it seems. Let's ride into the playoffs and see what happens.

In the summer DA will do what DA does best. The goalie logjam will get fixed.

 

[BadgersandBlues]

Dizee likes to think of himself as the "prognosticator of all things Blues" it's kinda cute as long as you don't take him too seriously. Basically just sit back, grab the popcorn, and don't feed the trolls