GDT: GM09 | Vancouver Canucks vs New Jersey Devils | Wed. Oct 30th | 7:40pm PST | SNP | Brotherly Hate

[Flik]

I really miss when we were winning, and huffing our own farts.


Now, we're just stuck in a smelly fart-like area

 

[Kryten]

Paying him $5m was and is crazy for 5 years.

As a 3rd pair, yes. 2nd pair, no. We’ve had Myers as 6m 3rd pair for 5 years and f***ing kept that idiot

 

[Reverend Mayhem]

Something has to give with the power play. I was reading @Vector’s summary of Tocchet’s post practice interview and really didn’t like his response when asked about the PP - implied that the struggles have nothing to do with coaching and that it has a “really good structure”. The power play has been anemic since he took the reins and it’s disheartening to hear him abdicate responsibility. With our personnel and talent there’s just no excuse for it to be this ineffective at generating attempts.

I'm not sure why they won't, but they hardly ever have any movement. Hughes tried with that pick, and Miller IMO botched the read.

 

[cc]

Is it the pp strategy that only the players on the points take shots? No attempts to shoot from the half wall.

 

[Orca Smash]

Not wrong per se...but what's the fix here?

Swap bodies in/out trying to get someone with a different perspective? What else are you gonna do to "coach" a better Powerplay. The more coaching, the worse it usually gets.

That would be one approach and kind of fits my point he wants to run it. He said post game its not a coaching problem its a player problem. Last year i posted articles how he wanted control over it, it was a non negotiable.

My feeling you need to let a hughes or miller gain the zone, if there standing up at the line all you can do is dump a chase and win the puck and get the defenders turning , but they dont try anything new, I think hansen was on the radio talking about it yesterday mentioning this. Once they gain the zone its alot around the boards and attempts at tips or tip passes which are so hard to pull off consistently, just get in the middle of the ice and take a good shot (I have spoke often how Rick praises dallas post game about how much he loves tips and how good dallas is at it).

None of that changes though, he just rotates players. Its the same adjustments over and over swapping players. This team has to many good players for a powerplay this bad.

 

[VanJack]

Lol!....Tocchet was so desperate to find a d-pairing that worked, he even had Brannstrom and Hughes out there together.

The entire blueline is in a blender. They may have no choice but to break up Hughes and Hronek permanently. Maybe Hronek can anchor a second pairing and Hughes can carry whatever plug they saddle him with.....although they've tried him with Myers in the past and it was a debacle.

But seriously if either Hughes or Hronek were to go down, I'm not sure this group of d-men could even get them into the playoffs.

 

[biturbo19]

Look who he was playing with. He was always a risky signing. He is not a line driver, he is a complimentary finisher. He can't produce unless someone else does all of the work.

I don't think needing someone else to do "all of the work" is really a fair critique of DeBrusk. He's very much a "complementary goal scoring winger". That much has been abundantly clear from well before we signed him. But he's capable of actually playing a great "spadework" role with good players and he's shown it multiple times in his career.


The bigger problem is...he's apparently not meshing with our $11.6M "superstar" line-driving Center. For whatever reason. I'd just be hammering that combo until it works because if it doesn't, we've got all sorts of other problems.

 

[BenningHurtsMySoul]

Miller also looks banged up and isn't his usual dominant self, and with Pettersson weighed down by his deep pockets the entire team's offense is grinding to a halt.

Hughes can't do it all himself; in fact, that's how he is more prone to making mistakes.

 

[Quinton Byfield]

I'm...honestly not sure what you're watching here. He's moving fast. He's clearly just playing a bit of a tentative game where he seems to be having a bit of trouble really integrating into the systems here.


He's been pretty darn good overall and especially as a defensive presence. He's just not scoring a ton. Which is obviously disappointing.

Debrusk is a complimentary player that lacks high end skill and hockey IQ has always been a bit lacking. The beaming praise for a 40-50 pt player was always bizarre.

His advanced analytics were inflated by being linemates with some of the best hockey players in modern Bruins history. We really needed more high end game breakers this off-season, especially with Pete playing so pitifully.

 

[Vector]

Missed the first two periods. What's going on with this game?

 

[BenningHurtsMySoul]

Missed the first two periods. What's going on with this game?

So did the Canucks.

 

[Vancouver_2010]

Looks like i made the right decision to not watch the game, i was playing FF7

 

[Regal]

Missed the first two periods. What's going on with this game?

Everyone sucks

 

[wonton15]

Missed the first two periods. What's going on with this game?

I am no longer a Canucks fan

 

[Nuckles]

Missed the first two periods. What's going on with this game?

The Dodgers won the World Series tonight

 

[Reverend Mayhem]

I'd rather have Zadorov for DeBrusk's contract than DeBrusk himself at this point.

Do you mind if I save this post for later on in the season?

Debrusk is a complimentary player that lacks high end skill and hockey IQ has always been a bit lacking. The beaming praise for a 40-50 pt player was always bizarre.

His advanced analytics were inflated by being linemates with some of the best hockey players in modern Bruins history. We really needed more high end game breakers this off-season, especially with Pete playing so pitifully.

High end game breakers? You know what a cap is right?

 

[Vector]

The Dodgers won the World Series tonight

I just saw!

 

[BenningHurtsMySoul]

Tortorella's post game rant on John Graeme comes to mind:

"We need a god damn occasional save, I'll tell ya...4 goals on 16 shots. Getting a little tired of the 25% rule"

 

[moiderer]

Missed the first two periods. What's going on with this game?

Skaters have been lethargic but Silovs and the PP have killed all momentum for the team.

Devils haven't really needed to try too hard.

 

[Lemmiwinks]

Missed the first two periods. What's going on with this game?

Myers with the worst pinch of the season led to a goal on the Devils’ first shot of the game, and things have somehow gone downhill since then.

 

[Mr. Canucklehead]

Looks like i made the right decision to not watch the game, i was playing FF7

I mean - you can never really go wrong playing FF7. Greatest video game of all time, IMO. Even with its imperfections.

 

[valkynax]

Missed the first two periods. What's going on with this game?

 

[God]

landon ferraro is... not as interesting as his dad

 

[biturbo19]

That would be one approach and kind of fits my point he wants to run it. He said post game its not a coaching problem its a player problem. Last year i posted articles how he wanted control over it, it was a non negotiable.

My feeling you need to let a hughes or miller gain the zone, if there standing up at the line all you can do is dump a chase and win the puck, but they dont try anything new, I think hansen was on the radio talking about it yesterday mentioning this. Once they gain the zone its alot around the boards and attempts at tips or tip passes which are so hard to pull off consistently, just get in the middle of the ice and take a good shot.

None of that changes though, he just rotates players. Its the same adjustments over and over.

Who gains the zone is something everyone focuses on because it's obvious, and it is an important part of a good powerplay. But at the end of the day...you can't coach good powerplay. The players themselves have to move around and organically create offense. It's every good powerplay. They've got guys who can do this.


For the Canucks...Miller is great on the PP but he's not very creative. Hughes is creative, but if he doesn't have anyone to work with organically, what's he supposed to do? He's moving around as the "QB" and the "Receivers" aren't working back to the ball or doing anything to help. And a lot of that is just...Pettersson has to be better. Plain and simple. If he's "on his game" on the PP...suddenly the whole thing works completely differently. It's got a third "pole" that draws defensive focus/PK box attention. And it stresses the PK in some many other ways. But instead, he's kinda sucking and standing around not doing much...even though he's obviously capable of far more.

 

[AlainVigneaultsGum]

Everyone's kinda been ass but with average goaltending this is still a game.