Management GM Pierre Dorion/Front Office Thread - Part VIII

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Rodzilla

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Man, im crying


Dude said players have underperformed

JESUS, i wonder why!!! First, who has? And then why?

maybe cause you surround them with trash every season? Cause they play in slots way above where they should be? Maybe cause we were playing in a ass division with no pressure at the end of the year . Still mind blowing to me that some believed we were taking the next step with this roster

Simmer is 1000% right. f*** they had Pinto not even a lock on the roster and Tierney was 2C but all of a sudden they use him as an excuse?

Look in the mirror man, your trades, signings, everything sucks!
 

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A lot of the players on this team have under performed compared to the 2nd half of last season. The players, coaches and me, we all have to be better.


He already screwed the pooch. I guess he means next year... again. His race is finished for this year. He's assembled a bottom 3 team again and he is putting it on the players and the coach. That's all he has left. He can say me all he wants .. his good work is done for this year. He is not going to learn how to evaluate a roster at the appropriate time now.
 

ReginKarlssonLehner

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Yea, how are we supposed to blame 2 number 5 D's playing top pairing/top 4?

How? Failed to add to the team, and thus you are the sole reason the rest of the team and coaching has underperformed. Can't give a single fish to a community and blame them for not properly sharing and still being starved.

Almost every waiver or 4th line player we acquired went STRAIGHT into our top 6. Lmao.
 
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Big Muddy

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Wrong! He should keep doing that.

Everyone complains when he "wastes assets", then this season he uses no assets, and people still complain.

Dorion has always been open about the fact that he was not interested in bringing in quality vets, but rather character vets. He specifically makes that differentiation at his end of year presser last year:


Also, @ 27:50 he specifically says: "At some point at time, when we feel we're ready to win, we might have to package a pick or a prospect to make that next step". and later says "At some point and time, we might have to do that, I don't think we're there yet"

But sure, because a bunch of trolls kept spamming "The rebuild is over!", so you got fooled into believing we were going to contend for a playoff spot this year. Boo hoo. Suck it up. Even I thought our odds of making the playoffs this season were under 1%.

Even then, the team has underperformed. Some players the were decent last season took a huge regression.


When did this interview occur?

He was asked about his goaltending situation and specifically about Murray. His answer was he had quantity and quality at every position and included why he thought that regarding the goaltender situation. He seemed to be placing a lot more emphasis on "futures" than the current situation. Seems odd given that he's waiving his #1 tender a few months later.

He was also asked if he needed to get a partner for Chabot, and another question on what he thought about their defense. He responded by singing the praises of Zaitsev (called him elite and a player he had the utmost respect for) and then responded again with the "we have quantity and quality at every position".

That's odd because he also admitted that Chabot's strength was not on the defensive side of things. He also talked about how Sanderson would improve the situation, and that Sanderson would end up getting Chabot's minutes.

That all sounds like a good strategy for the 2022-23 season, but what did he think was going to happen in 2021-22? If he pairs Zub with Chabot, then the 2nd pair becomes a disaster as we've all seen first hand. If Zub gets moved to the 2nd pair, then that leaves Chabot without a decent partner.

Given that Melnyk said they would acquire a defender in an offseason podcast interview, it doesn't even seem like Melnyk was on the same page as Dorion. Maybe they both thought they could muddle through with the additions of Holden & MDZ, combined with the elite play of Zaitsev? Maybe they just didn't want to admit they knew they were weak on defense? We can only speculate I suppose.

But, if he did realize they were weak on defense and goaltending, then Dorion should probably be setting different expectations when asked about the future and specifically the 2021-22 season. JMHO. My guess is that its possible Melnyk could be holding the purse strings quite tightly and Dorion has to sound positive and spin a more optimistic future than what he really thinks. That's the most optimistic way of viewing Dorion imho.
 
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Dorion has made 1000 awful moves, but one of the worst pieces of stupidity was not taking advantage of the expansion draft year to trade for a bona fide defenseman from a top team, who had proven players at the highest level and were available for the taking, as only happens in an expansion year, and yet he did nothing. Oleksiak or Zadorov could be had for peanuts, and instead the fool thinks MDZ for 2 years solves his problems.

A top 4 with one of those + Chabot, Zub and Holden is viable, and adding Oleksiak or Zadorov would have done a lot to address the undersized factor that plagues the team almost every single game. Instead the genius seemingly spent his summer loading sun tan lotion on top of his head to avoid additional brain fry. Idiotic!
 

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Who’s underperformened?

second half of last year when we were playing garbage games in the Canadian division lol. I wouldn’t expect a pro GM to put ANY weight on that time honestly. The fact that he thought that play would just continue is pretty damning in itself. Is that why he did nothing to improve us? Scary.

Dorion is an emotional fanboy. Same reason he traded our 1st unprotected for Duchene. He saw a small sample size and thought (or more likely, hoped) it would keep going on.

Man I wish we had an objective realist like Yzerman running the show.
 
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TheNewEra

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Wow so losing Colin white is the reason our season turned into a shitshow

We may want to check up on one of our posters, said person maybe about to have a heart attack
 
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Dorion is an emotional fanboy. Same reason he traded our 1st unprotected for Duchene. He saw a small sample size and thought (or more likely, hoped) it would keep going on.

Man I wish we had an objective realist like Yzerman running the show.

It was a protected 1st...
 
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Big Muddy

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He's already scored 3 times as many goals for the Blues as he did for Ottawa and in only 3 games.
If its NHL goals, then yes. I think the guy had talent but just needed to stay healthy, work harder and get a chance in the right spot in the lineup that would play to his strengths.

Lajoie looked pretty good the other night for the Canes, and Duclair is certainly having a good season with the Cats.

A lot of patience is needed with young players, although I suppose a team can have too many prospects. In that case, the team needs to make good choices about who they keep and who they release.
 
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Buried under the turds of negativity here is Dorion's actual explanation for the "rebuild is over" quote. Paraphrasing- "I shouldn't have said it like that. What I meant is that all the core pieces are now within the organization." Tar and feather him back then for saying it the wrong way but that's a perfectly understandable explanation, and it's true.

I would love to go back and see if everyone who is heaping crap on the org anticipated it to be this bad as we were playing fire wagon hockey for the last 1/3 of last season. Admit it, you all, like me, were excited about the progression of this team. That's not to excuse management, go and expect more, but the vitriol around here is laughably hypocritical when most of us were brimming with optimism a mere 3 month ago.
 
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It's all the same. Dorion's press conference, LeBreton arena move, Bruce's articles, the teams play. Nothing has changed. Maybe the media is putting on the heat more, thank you Mr. Ian, but will it last? It's f***ing unreal. You can't write this stuff.
 
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Buried under the turds of negativity here is Dorion's actual explanation for the "rebuild is over" quote. Paraphrasing- "I shouldn't have said it like that. What I meant is that all the core pieces are now within the organization." Tar and feather him back then for saying it the wrong way but that's a perfectly understandable explanation, and it's true.

I would love to go back and see if everyone who is heaping crap on the org anticipated it to be this bad as we were playing fire wagon hockey for the last 1/3 of last season. Admit it, you all, like me, were excited about the progression of this team. That's not to excuse management, go and expect more, but the vitriol around here is laughably hypocritical when most of us were brimming with optimism a mere 3 month ago.

Anyone brimming with optimism heading into this season (3 months ago) after the off season we just went through had serious rose colored glasses on. Our lack of depth and the weakness of our D corps was pretty obvious and it was brought up plenty. Hopeful .. I agree we had more hope. Optimism is very low now, if that's what you mean. Lots of people cautioned being over optimistic with the finish last year when there is nothing to play for, no pressure , the season is lost.

Vitriol .. wow .Dorion deserves every bit of criticism thrown his way.
 

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I wonder if this team would any better different with Chlapik, Baclers, Abramov and Logan Brown filling out the bottom 6 instead of the garbage that is Shaw, Gambrell, Gaudette, Ennis, Tierney?
 

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Anyone brimming with optimism heading into this season (3 months ago) after the off season we just went through had serious rose colored glasses on. Our lack of depth and the weakness of our D corps was pretty obvious and it was brought up plenty. Hopeful .. I agree we had more hope. Optimism is very low now, if that's what you mean. Lots of people cautioned being over optimistic with the finish last year when there is nothing to play for, no pressure , the season is lost.

Vitriol .. wow .Dorion deserves every bit of criticism thrown his way.


Offseason improvements or not, cautionary tales by some or not, after our finish last year just about everyone felt good about the progression of the franchise. Those that thought we could push for a playoff spot were in the minority (thankfully) but for the most part everyone expected this team to distance itself away from mediocrity.

So my point is, why throw SO MUCH shade on Dorion when generally we all felt good about the direction of the franchise?
 

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Buried under the turds of negativity here is Dorion's actual explanation for the "rebuild is over" quote. Paraphrasing- "I shouldn't have said it like that. What I meant is that all the core pieces are now within the organization." Tar and feather him back then for saying it the wrong way but that's a perfectly understandable explanation, and it's true.

I would love to go back and see if everyone who is heaping crap on the org anticipated it to be this bad as we were playing fire wagon hockey for the last 1/3 of last season. Admit it, you all, like me, were excited about the progression of this team. That's not to excuse management, go and expect more, but the vitriol around here is laughably hypocritical when most of us were brimming with optimism a mere 3 month ago.
Having read so much around here, I would disagree with this pretty strongly.

There was some excitement heading in to the offseason, but most of that had come crashing down by the time the season came around seeing that there were no quality re-enforcements being inserted whatsoever and had basically just removed Dadonov.

A lot of posters here, especially the regulars, called the last third of last season as an outlier based on no pressure and being in such a poor Canadian only division. It was just too small of a sample size after their fate had been sealed to draw any useful conclusions.

A large contingent of posters called it a basement team from the get go.

Of course there is always a solid group of unabridged optimists, but that hasn't changed over 4 or 5 years now.
 

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We wanted the GM to speak and he did. Nothing new was presented, which is unsurprising.

Dorion remains a poor public speaker, nothing is going to change in terms of the roster.

At least it is done and we can move on from this.
 
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Offseason improvements or not, cautionary tales by some or not, after our finish last year just about everyone felt good about the progression of the franchise. Those that thought we could push for a playoff spot were in the minority (thankfully) but for the most part everyone expected this team to distance itself away from mediocrity.

So my point is, why throw SO MUCH shade on Dorion when generally we all felt good about the direction of the franchise?

I don't agree but.. Feel the way you want.
 
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