Management GM Pierre Dorion/Front Office Thread - Part IX [Mod Warning in post 1)

[JD1]

That's all some people do with Dorion.. Cut him some slack, every year.

It's like he has a government job where there are no repercussions and no accountability.

Maybe Dorion should go on strike then?

 

[bicboi64]

Likely Sokolov, though he was a 2nd rounder...

Sokolov is doing good in the A, I'm going to hold judgements yet, need more time to evaluate him but so far I think we might get some games out of him. I think everything since 2021 is going to need more time to evaluate in terms of management's hits/misses

 

[SensHulk]

Built the Sharks into a perennial playoff team, but that was a long time ago.

Might be a better fit to be team president or a senior advisor.

Wouldn't be my first choice to replace Dorion, but I'm not picky. Would take damn near anyone at this point.

I’d take him as POHO FO SHO

 

[Burrowsaurus]

...Sorry mate, which player are you referring to?

Sokolov.

Likely Sokolov, though he was a 2nd rounder...

My mistake. Thought we picked him at the start of the third. So a late second

 

[Micklebot]

Sokolov.


My mistake. Thought we picked him at the start of the third. So a late second

Damn Vegas and Seattle expansion changed where the third round starts, it wasn't your fault....

 

[bicboi64]

Sokolov.

I like what we have with him so far, it's just a matter of having him play NHL games to see if his scoring can translate, so its hard to say whether he was a good pick or not. Having said that, he's having a good season in the AHL, not dominating. Its one thing if he was like Norris in 2019-2020, in the top 5 for scoring. Sokolov is having a good season, he's 26th. There's definitely some potential there, but still too early to tell.

 

[Dionysus]

Always trying to make a splash, and it seems to backfire most times.

The Talbot for Gus trade took no time at all to backfire in spectacular fashion. Pro scouting is such a serious weakness unfortunately.

 

[Masked]

NHL? Almost certainly. GM? No. At least not for a long time.

If Randy Sexton could get another GM job after his time here, anything is possible.

Assen na yo!

 

[Tuna99]

Does "still made the playoffs" really warrant praise when the baseline they started at was "won the president's trophy"?

they did what Ottawa wanted to do, got to play meaningful games and came though, is it worthy of praise I don’t know, but it shows that you can make massive roster moves and still come though to make the playoffs - so good for them.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

When Dorion mentioned he and DJ did not always see eye to eye he was talking about improving the bottom 6 .. he then waffled around role players or scoring players and said they had lots of scoring in the top 6 and this and that and its nice to have players that can do both... Did anyone get any sense of what he and DJ didn't see eye to eye on?

Would trading for Brown at the TDL ; Dorion's idea of the kind of player we need to improve the bottom 6 for that playoff push or DJ's idea .. or the only player they agreed on lol?

 

[GCK]

Where does this "elevates in the playoffs" idea come from? Boucher hasn't elevated his game in junior; how is his game going to elevate in the NHL playoffs? He can't stay healthy playing against teenagers. It's time to completely write off that galaxy-brain draft as one of the biggest head scratchers in team history.

You do make an interesting point about those previous draft years. '16 and '14 weren't particularly strong, either.

I think you missed the IF

 

[Burrowsaurus]

When Dorion mentioned he and DJ did not always see eye to eye he was talking about improving the bottom 6 .. he then waffled around role players or scoring players and said they had lots of scoring in the top 6 and this and that and its nice to have players that can do both... Did anyone get any sense of what he and DJ didn't see eye to eye on?

Would trading for Brown at the TDL ; Dorion's idea of the kind of player we need to improve the bottom 6 for that playoff push or DJ's idea .. or the only player they agreed on lol?

He didn’t really indicate anything that he didn’t see eye to eye on with dJ. Maybe the greig call up?

 

[Tuna99]

He didn’t really indicate anything that he didn’t see eye to eye on with dJ. Maybe the greig call up?

Winning? My guess is DJ fell flat on his face to start the season and a good start (again) was the goal of the organization.

If DJ and Dorion got to the playoffs they both keep their jobs. So if they can’t agree, I hope it’s winning and not some random AHL player.

It should be winning. I hope it’s winning

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

He didn’t really indicate anything that he didn’t see eye to eye on with dJ. Maybe the greig call up?

Dorion: We know this group is going to be special moving forward

Sens GM Pierre Dorion speaks to the media on Monday to assess the 2022-2023 campaign, culture in the locker room, expectations for next season, his status with new owners, DJ Smith's status, Hamonic negotiations, exit meetings, goaltending situation, the slack he's been given by the...

www.tsn.ca

20 minute mark here.
He mentions not seeing eye to eye... my question is on what more specifically. What are the opposing views?

 

[Burrowsaurus]

Dorion: We know this group is going to be special moving forward

Sens GM Pierre Dorion speaks to the media on Monday to assess the 2022-2023 campaign, culture in the locker room, expectations for next season, his status with new owners, DJ Smith's status, Hamonic negotiations, exit meetings, goaltending situation, the slack he's been given by the...

www.tsn.ca

20 minute mark here.
He mentions not seeing eye to eye... my question is on what more specifically. What are the opposing views?

I don’t think that he’s going to make that public or speak about it until dj is fired

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

I don’t think that he’s going to make that public or speak about it until dj is fired

He touches on it in that presser but no one followed up. I asked Mendes and the lads at Coming in Hot for their takes.

 

[bert]

Maybe Dorion should go on strike then?

He should go on permanent strike. Id really appreciate that.

Dorion: We know this group is going to be special moving forward

Sens GM Pierre Dorion speaks to the media on Monday to assess the 2022-2023 campaign, culture in the locker room, expectations for next season, his status with new owners, DJ Smith's status, Hamonic negotiations, exit meetings, goaltending situation, the slack he's been given by the...

www.tsn.ca

20 minute mark here.
He mentions not seeing eye to eye... my question is on what more specifically. What are the opposing views?

DJ has forgot more about hockey than Dorion knows. He never even played. Get someone in here who is a real professional.

 

[bert]

As a scout you think?

Certainly not GM or AGM. Maybe head of scouting? but in today's hyper competitive world I doubt he will be a hot commodity when he is out of a job.

From private jets to riding busses...

He will be an advisor or AGM. Wont be a GM ever again.

 

[Tuna99]

Dorion: We know this group is going to be special moving forward

Sens GM Pierre Dorion speaks to the media on Monday to assess the 2022-2023 campaign, culture in the locker room, expectations for next season, his status with new owners, DJ Smith's status, Hamonic negotiations, exit meetings, goaltending situation, the slack he's been given by the...

www.tsn.ca

20 minute mark here.
He mentions not seeing eye to eye... my question is on what more specifically. What are the opposing views?

Dorion said they had to get off to a good start and they did not, then he trade for Chychryn and they go 5-7 with him in the lineup.

If DJ makes the playoffs he’s back. I’d hope someone in this equation is upset they didn’t make the playoffs because if they are both good with being out of the playoffs for 6 years they are stupid

 

[bert]

Sokolov is doing good in the A, I'm going to hold judgements yet, need more time to evaluate him but so far I think we might get some games out of him. I think everything since 2021 is going to need more time to evaluate in terms of management's hits/misses

He showed some good vision and a good stick when he was up. He got like no ice time but did some good in it. I dont know why people want to give up on him so quickly its weird. He was always going to have a longer development curve, big guy needs to get faster. He clearly has offensive talent, when you are that big with decent hockey sense you can get in the way and be a bottom 6 guy. Whats the rush to give up on him anyways?... This team has no depth and is against the cap.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

He should go on permanent strike. Id really appreciate that.


DJ has forgot more about hockey than Dorion knows. He never even played. Get someone in here who is a real professional.

Same situation if not even more amplified with Boucher. Its been the same ever since Dorion took over.
Dorion has shown is roster and pro eval skills too often

 

[bicboi64]

He showed some good vision and a good stick when he was up. He got like no ice time but did some good in it. I dont know why people want to give up on him so quickly its weird. He was always going to have a longer development curve, big guy needs to get faster. He clearly has offensive talent, when you are that big with decent hockey sense you can get in the way and be a bottom 6 guy. Whats the rush to give up on him anyways?... This team has no depth and is against the cap.

i'm not giving up at all, just saying i want to see more of him before i make any judgement or form an opinion

 

[Micklebot]

DJ has forgot more about hockey than Dorion knows. He never even played. Get someone in here who is a real professional.

I don't buy this, he's been involved in hockey since he was a kid, played up until getting out of high-school. He's been exposed to top hockey minds since he was a kid.

I mean, Scotty Bowman played just a few seasons of junior in the old Q before cracking his skull and never playing again, he became among the most successful coaches of all time, you don't need to have played pro hockey to have a great mind for the game.

I'm not a fan of Dorion, but never playing at the highest levels isn't what's holding him back imo.

 

[Knave]

Dorion is a builder like Dubas.

I think we're at a point though where we need a manager/finishing touches guy who starts to build a playoff team and then a contender.

 

[Do Make Say Think]

Dorion: We know this group is going to be special moving forward

Sens GM Pierre Dorion speaks to the media on Monday to assess the 2022-2023 campaign, culture in the locker room, expectations for next season, his status with new owners, DJ Smith's status, Hamonic negotiations, exit meetings, goaltending situation, the slack he's been given by the...

www.tsn.ca

20 minute mark here.
He mentions not seeing eye to eye... my question is on what more specifically. What are the opposing views?

I took it as meaning "we don't agree on everything" which is a good thing.

Dorion is a builder like Dubas.

I think we're at a point though where we need a manager/finishing touches guy who starts to build a playoff team and then a contender.

Dubas is a destroyer.

He was given the keys to a dream car and a ton of cash to win races and spent it on stupid stuff that looked cool but didn't make the car any better.